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Old 16th Jul 2011, 14:10
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EI have pulled EI052/EI053 BFS-LPA-BFS from the end of September. PAX have been re-scheduled onto service from DUB which does not even fly on the same day. A very poor show.

To their credit the customer services were very helpful when we phoned them to discuss our options.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 14:53
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EI have pulled EI052/EI053 BFS-LPA-BFS from the end of September. PAX have been re-scheduled onto service from DUB which does not even fly on the same day. A very poor show.

To their credit the customer services were very helpful when we phoned them to discuss our options.
Not a surprise as most flights are only 50% - 55% full. Very poor show for sun destination. With that amount of pax the flights would probaly be making a loss.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 18:50
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^^
I take your point - a poor show from the potential PAX who choose not to fly the route. That said, perhaps EI should have tested the route with one flight per week to start off with. Bizarrely they are not flying this route at all during the peak Winter season.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 19:23
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does that mean aer lingus will launch a new route to replace it? also it was said on the BFS thread a while back that EI had space for a new route in the schedule, so does that mean we will get a double route announcement for belfast?
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 20:23
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BHD2BFS: since they are maintaining ALC and FCO through the winter (unlike last year) these must be the replacement for LPA. It is difficult to pick winter routes as the market is so seasonal with very limited inbound business hard to find the right fix. Perhaps Aer Lingus should give Geneva or other ski destinations another go now that the brand is well established in BFS. Also Christmas markets, is there any opportunities for this type of market (though limited time frame as it is)?

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Old 16th Jul 2011, 20:33
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LPA was always planned as a summer route. It couldn't operate with 2 EI aircraft at BFS during winter without ACE or TFS being reduced. What will replace it next summer is the real question. Think DUB will see Greece before BFS but Izmir doing very well from DUB so could BFS possible get 2 weekly. Times would be about the same as BFS - LPA.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 20:35
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If being honest I would love to see an all year round weekly flight to orlando even if it's via Shannon. I really feel they would get great load factors with it and maybe even a weekly summer service to Canada, maybe Toronto
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 22:41
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Aer Lingus BFS to MCO/YYZ

As the A330 fleet was fully tasked this summer, a weekly or twice weekly Orlando and/or a weekly Toronto would require cuts elsewhere. In addition, I can't see EI going once a week to Toronto, a new destination for it.
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 00:38
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LPA was always planned as a summer route. It couldn't operate with 2 EI aircraft at BFS during winter without ACE or TFS being reduced. What will replace it next summer is the real question. Think DUB will see Greece before BFS but Izmir doing very well from DUB so could BFS possible get 2 weekly. Times would be about the same as BFS - LPA.
LPA is never going to be as significant a market to the UK/ROI as TFS or ACE, however there is a certain demand. It will be a real pity if the route does not reappear for next Summer with JUST ONE FLIGHT PER WEEK.

EI have done exactly what LS did about three years ago - jumped into LPA with all guns blazing and then realised their a/c are flying half empty. LS are now back here but with a much more cautious flying program that is working for them. There is no reason why EI can't do the same with a bit of market research and sensible planning.
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 12:57
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What was the A330 that was been used on the DUB-MCO Tue,Thu,Sat doing the other days?
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 12:58
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Second daily to Boston on Sun, Mon, Fri. So its only Wednesday its doing nothing.
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 14:24
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so it could be possible for the BFS-MCO route to operate, to be honest even if it was a flight to anywhere in the US i would be happy because the route would be successful as many people already travel from the north down to dublin
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 15:05
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I would love to also see EI operate long haul from BFS but will this affect load factors from DUB is the question???????????

When i worked as ground handling for EI at JFK in 2009 there was rumours flying around that they were considering LGW-BFS-JFK, obviously this never materialised, it was also going to be a codeshare with BA as they were dropping the LGW -JFK route and at present there is no LGW-JFK flight. However i think it is a long way away for EI long haul at BFS unless the route is subsidised like the BA LHR-BWI route.
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 18:29
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EI Long Haul

Who subsidises the LHR-BWI route for BA?

One rotation "spare" per week for the EI long haul fleet allows for some maintainance and did I not here that it does a rotation on one of the Spanish routes?
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 18:35
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A daily AGP is a A330. This is why the afternoon flights to JFK is at 17.00 during the summer and 15.45 during the winter. It either the 5.15 or 5.20 us arrivals which goes to AGP at 7.30.
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 21:46
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In responce to the comments here regarding BFS TA services, i mean get a grip. Aer Lingus plc is still fighting to reduce costs and improve performance, profits every Q. There will be no TA services from BFS for years to come, i can tell you that for certain why would EI bother to introduce MCO once a week when they could offer and extra Wednesday flight from DUB for about €100 cheaper for a family of four? (APD deducted after conversion to Euro).
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 22:47
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EI long haul from Belfast

Jack1985 is absolutely right - the cost difference is £60 per person APD from Belfast and soon to be zero from Dublin - a family of 4 could afford to drive to Dublin and stay overnight in a hotel.
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 22:53
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in response to your question regarding who subsidises the LHR_BWI route its the government of Maryland. Its operated like a PSO route is in Ireland.
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 23:35
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Ok I get the reducing costs things, all that stuff BUT if things were a bit better, could EI go back to EWR or add another route to somewhere on the east coast? Is there more than 4 routes that they can make work? Someone mentioned Toronto.
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 00:06
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could EI go back to EWR or add another
Why go back to EWR when CO are operating 14 weekly summer and 7 weekly winter. Where else can they add on east coast.

YYZ is well served form DUB in the summer
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