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Old 25th Jan 2010, 18:54
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Leo.....


Think you will find it is spelled "sieg"
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 00:12
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Hi Colegate
Firstly I would agree with much of what ur saying about EI re competing with Easyjet and that their strenghts is the Irish market especially on routes to city airports where they haven't as much competition!

I would also agree that a hub at Dublin is very unlikely to work... Theres just not enough long haul destinations! EI only serve three regulary and most parts of the UK and Europe have competitive flights to these cities already... If the AerArann tie up is done properly (multiple daily flights at the right times) it may lead to some extra long haul passengers but not enough to get them out of the trouble their in with long haul routes!

But one area EI have never explored except for Dubai, is long haul outside of USA.... Why not use the parked long haul aircrafts to Singapore or Hong Kong and do a deal like the one with Jet blue to offer onward connection to Oz and South East Asia! And Cape Town during the winter.. If EI was willing to lose so much at Gatwick for a year, why not give these routes a try for a seaon
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 07:00
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Aer Lingus in Aer Arann deal

Aer Lingus in Aer Arann deal - The Irish Times - Tue, Jan 26, 2010
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 09:40
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Leo Hairy-Camel It's much worse than that.

Here come the Germans.

Zieg...

Lufthansa luftwaffe lufthansa...what can you be thinking?

Not a bad outcome, I suppose, but I'll bet those windy tails are left twisting in the breeze.
I'd say if you got half you money back on your own orig investment you'd snap their hands off. Very interesting. Likewise if you loose the day job your crystal ball gazing business will do well re 4 major carriers.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 09:41
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Star Alliance Rumors - Rubbish

Aer Lingus scotches rumour that it is to rejoin an alliance - Irish, Business - Independent.ie
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 09:58
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will some off aer arann's atr 72-500 be panted into aer lingus regional or stay as aer arann with i like beter than aer lingus livery
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 10:09
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According to Aer Lingus themselves:

Aer Lingus has entered an agreement with Irish regional airline Aer Arann. Under this agreement, Aer Arann will operate aircraft under the Aer Lingus Regional brand and livery.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 10:11
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colegate - I'd add that a strength for any airline operating to the USA from Ireland is that passengers go through US immigration before departure. Even BA has that as a selling point for its LCY-NYC operation.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 10:16
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Strangely, Aer Arann's domestic routes seem to be excluded from the agreement. I'd have thought they'd have been more useful as feeders for Aer Lingus's traffic out of Dublin than a route like Cork-La Rochelle.

Does the terms of the PSO prevent them from being transferred?
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 11:02
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Oh the final gasps of a legacy carrier!! RIP EI/RE.
Arnt RE the cleaver ones getting into bed with a terminaly ill partner and them too on the last legs being told no more pso money this year. How much is paddy power giving before both go under rather than letting the fittest survive.

Well a Lloyd George once said i believe " an irish solution to an irish problem"
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 11:16
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Arnt RE the cleaver ones getting into bed with a terminaly ill partner
With over 800 million gross cash in the bank with only something like 55 million committed. I'd be keeping your dispatch money in your pocket and not wasting it on paddypower or any other company giving odds on them going under.

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Old 26th Jan 2010, 11:28
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Some routes arnt even daily, DUB-EDI is 3 daily some days and 1 of them is operated by EI with the A320 anyway! Seems like a half arsed arrangement to me, dont get me wrong Im all for it but why not do it properly?
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 11:50
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Lord Lardy,

Loosing around €2 mill a day you do the math for when they are running out of cash unless something is changing today.......
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 11:56
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What is the source of the "€2 mill a day" figure?

I've seen nothing in the financial statements to back up anything like that for cash burn, never mind losses.
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What is the source of the "€2 mill a day" figure?
Exactly, can you reference that please.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 11:58
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".....them too on the last legs being told no more pso money this year"

Must have missed something recently...don't recall seeing that anouncement anywhere???

Safe up to July 2011 as far as I was aware. Even then....who knows???

Don't think that DOT would like to be held to ranson with only 2 irish based airlines deciding who and where passengers can fly from.

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Old 26th Jan 2010, 12:00
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Some "markets" commentary

Aer Lingus Drops Ryanair Strategy in Effort to Imitate EasyJet - BusinessWeek

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Old 26th Jan 2010, 12:26
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I think it was the EU as PSO money is only applicable on routes that surface transportation is deemed unsuitable and the EU have stated that as road and rail improvemnets have bben made intra Ireland that subsidies for PSO would either stop or be cut.

I think that was also te reason given as why DUB-BFS/BHD colud not get PSO funding was bcause of the EU funding of the Enterprise rail upgrade and the M1/A1 improvements
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 12:40
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Can't remember where but it was in some article end of this year and based on the reduction of cash reserves for 2009 that was equivalent to €2 mill a day.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 14:07
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Let me guess, some part of O'Leary, Racedo or the Irish Independent was the source? Not that you burden yourself with providing a link to it.

More interesting is the amount of money being lost in Gatwick. Couple this with the TA losses and it leaves the rest looking pretty good actually. TA should improve with a deal with crews imminent and a reduction in capacity.

The question is what is going to happen Gatwick? Will they close it completely or reverse the schedule and close part of it? Closing it would be a great result for IALPA.
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