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Dus just doesnt have the pax loads.
The 145 would be better used going to TXL, where there is currently no direct service.
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Thanks for the Information.
LH is in most cases cheaper than Flybe, but there are some times during the week, where Flybe is cheaper, eg. Friday evening ex DUS to MAN, where LH doesn´t offer E-class on the 18 hrs service.
Another problem for Flybe is, that the German customer doesn´t know the Airline, he knows BA,LH and Air Berlin, but not Flybe.
LH is in most cases cheaper than Flybe, but there are some times during the week, where Flybe is cheaper, eg. Friday evening ex DUS to MAN, where LH doesn´t offer E-class on the 18 hrs service.
Another problem for Flybe is, that the German customer doesn´t know the Airline, he knows BA,LH and Air Berlin, but not Flybe.
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One customer of mine flew the other week with Flybe from DUS to MAN and back with Tuifly 737-700 to CGN.
He preferred the Tuifly flight to Flybe´s service, because he said that the seats were totally worn out on the 145.
For myself quite like the 145. Even when I fly with my wife on the route, we both like to sit on the A-seats, where everyone has a window.
He preferred the Tuifly flight to Flybe´s service, because he said that the seats were totally worn out on the 145.
For myself quite like the 145. Even when I fly with my wife on the route, we both like to sit on the A-seats, where everyone has a window.
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I think that when the Q400 is substituted for the E145 the lower operating cost will lead to lower fares from Flybe.
LH are very predatory as an airline (remember GO on STNFRA) and have to be treated with care. They are the sort of airline who don't mind competition but they will try to stamp on anyone who invades their market share by too much. The E145's will soon be off and infact, the Q400 on the BHXDUS route has helped to increase pax figures on that route with no real drop that some fighting the jet/prop argument would have predicted.
LH are very predatory as an airline (remember GO on STNFRA) and have to be treated with care. They are the sort of airline who don't mind competition but they will try to stamp on anyone who invades their market share by too much. The E145's will soon be off and infact, the Q400 on the BHXDUS route has helped to increase pax figures on that route with no real drop that some fighting the jet/prop argument would have predicted.
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flybe pricing
The change from the 145 to Q400/195 makes an incredible difference.
I have been looking to go to Paris with the use of airmiles and cash.
The cheapest cash fare was £80 when the 145 was on the route and
if I wanted to use airmiles it was the 0630 outbound or 1420 and
the inbound choice at 1000 which is yuk.
Summer schedule at BHX changed to Q400, 195, 145 then Q400 outbound.
Base fares shaved by £10 return and airmiles start offering all inbound
flights - result one happy bunny, 1050 departure booked on the 195 and
return three days later on the 2040 Q400 for a reasonable fare and a few
airmiles.
If flybe can sustain this type of pricing on the Q400/195 then they are
certainly going to pick up the lower end of the market (me
) and
get some healthy increase in pax.
Does anyone know if BHX-FRA, MAN-FRA, BHX-STR will be kept after
the 145 goes and thus change to the 195? I notice both BHX-MXP and
MAN-MXP have 195's scheduled - the former not to September but
a relief as I though Milan's days were numbered.
Pete
I have been looking to go to Paris with the use of airmiles and cash.
The cheapest cash fare was £80 when the 145 was on the route and
if I wanted to use airmiles it was the 0630 outbound or 1420 and
the inbound choice at 1000 which is yuk.
Summer schedule at BHX changed to Q400, 195, 145 then Q400 outbound.
Base fares shaved by £10 return and airmiles start offering all inbound
flights - result one happy bunny, 1050 departure booked on the 195 and
return three days later on the 2040 Q400 for a reasonable fare and a few
airmiles.
If flybe can sustain this type of pricing on the Q400/195 then they are
certainly going to pick up the lower end of the market (me
) and get some healthy increase in pax.
Does anyone know if BHX-FRA, MAN-FRA, BHX-STR will be kept after
the 145 goes and thus change to the 195? I notice both BHX-MXP and
MAN-MXP have 195's scheduled - the former not to September but
a relief as I though Milan's days were numbered.
Pete
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I would envisage that Flybe will retain all the current service after the E145 has gone, with all of those mentioned changing to the Q400. The lower prices offered should encourage growth in pax numbers on these services enabling Flybe to evaluate the routes for the E195 for the future.
It would be a very brave decision for Flybe to increase the aircraft size on these routes from the E145 to the E195 overnight given the current economic outlook. I would imagine that other routes ex BHX , maybe some extra EDI/GLA services moving to the E195 before the likes of FRA and STR.
It would be a very brave decision for Flybe to increase the aircraft size on these routes from the E145 to the E195 overnight given the current economic outlook. I would imagine that other routes ex BHX , maybe some extra EDI/GLA services moving to the E195 before the likes of FRA and STR.
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fra, str, mxp
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Certainly the pax loads on BHX- FRA, STR, MXP would not justify
the 195 even if FRA & STR were reduced to twice daily. That was
my worry that they would just pull-off.
I have no idea of the yields on BHX-MXP but loads average about
55-60% but they have committed the 195 to the morning service
from September (the last time I looked).
Also there was a trend to not run the Q400 beyond 90 minute
flights and again with STR & FRA outside that flying time again
I was worried that it would be curtains once the 145 had gone.
I assume that there is nothing against the economics and
flying 90-120 minute sectors? I suppose some would complain
about their ears after two hours on a prop
Peter
Certainly the pax loads on BHX- FRA, STR, MXP would not justify
the 195 even if FRA & STR were reduced to twice daily. That was
my worry that they would just pull-off.
I have no idea of the yields on BHX-MXP but loads average about
55-60% but they have committed the 195 to the morning service
from September (the last time I looked).
Also there was a trend to not run the Q400 beyond 90 minute
flights and again with STR & FRA outside that flying time again
I was worried that it would be curtains once the 145 had gone.
I assume that there is nothing against the economics and
flying 90-120 minute sectors? I suppose some would complain
about their ears after two hours on a prop
Peter
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I think that when the Q400 is substituted for the E145 the lower operating cost will lead to lower fares from Flybe.
LH are very predatory as an airline (remember GO on STNFRA) and have to be treated with care. They are the sort of airline who don't mind competition but they will try to stamp on anyone who invades their market share by too much. The E145's will soon be off and infact, the Q400 on the BHXDUS route has helped to increase pax figures on that route with no real drop that some fighting the jet/prop argument would have predicted.
LH are very predatory as an airline (remember GO on STNFRA) and have to be treated with care. They are the sort of airline who don't mind competition but they will try to stamp on anyone who invades their market share by too much. The E145's will soon be off and infact, the Q400 on the BHXDUS route has helped to increase pax figures on that route with no real drop that some fighting the jet/prop argument would have predicted.
Eg. Tuifly has a starting fare of 19,99, Germanwings of 19, which is ex UK at 14,99 GbP. I have never seen Flybe offering such fares ex MAN to FRA or DUS.
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FlyBE - BHX
I remember reading some where that FlyBE where to announce four new routes from BHX in the next couple of months, anybody got any suggestions on where they could be....???
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Regarding the arrangements with Loganair, will the saab 340's be phased out and if so will we see Q400's operate from Dundee to Birmingham and Belfast in the near future?
The baggage allowance on the 340's is only 15 Kgs which is a little on the light side. Do they stick to that rigidly or could one plead ignorance and get away with my usual 19.5 kgs?
Cheers.
The baggage allowance on the 340's is only 15 Kgs which is a little on the light side. Do they stick to that rigidly or could one plead ignorance and get away with my usual 19.5 kgs?
Cheers.
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Don't think 340s are going anywhere. Remember they operate flights further North of INV.
Also, the 340 is not an A320 and I think that 4.5kgs will make abit of a difference to the a/c if a lot of people were to do it. I would be surprised if you are to get away with it.
P.S. NEVER TRY IT WITH RYANAIR!
Also, the 340 is not an A320 and I think that 4.5kgs will make abit of a difference to the a/c if a lot of people were to do it. I would be surprised if you are to get away with it.
P.S. NEVER TRY IT WITH RYANAIR!
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As for the Dus going on a q400, i can see the EDI/JER routes first, even CDG, Dus just doesnt have the pax loads.
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Domestic hold out of Gatwick?
Very strong rumours going round at the minute, that Flybe are going to take the remaining domestic GATWICK ROUTES from the BA 737 fleet by the end of the year. These willl be done by Emb 195's out of Gla, Edi and Man. Crews will be based locally!!
Any thoughts?
T
Any thoughts?
T