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Very amusing picture there. Thinking I should get those for my children for halloween!
The point I'am making is that I like alot of other experienced pilots have thousands upon thousands hours flying. It is not justifiable to say they do the same training. You can be the best trained pilot, doesn't mean that you know how to utilise and draw on the experience that must be earned in the right hand seat.
For example, An eighteen year old gets their full license. Now a great & graceful driver like myself 22+yrs experience is almost of the same standard and experience in how to judge decisions? (Not that I'am comparing people who can drive to pilots in command)
Now how many people here think that flying onboard a flight where there is possibly 5000 hours between Capt and FO? Or onboard with an experienced crew with possibly 25,000 hours between Capt and FO?
Childish digs? Erm the past two are people who can't provide a reasonable argument as to why I shouldn't express a concearn about young inexperienced captains!!!
ADC when was this? As it is not a valid point to say nearly 500 flights went on time for the past few days . Also it must be consistent not just a wee one off.
Last but not least, I'am willing to bet my months pay that these so called Captains, when they move to a better airline will almost certainly lose command and have to start from scratch.
The point I'am making is that I like alot of other experienced pilots have thousands upon thousands hours flying. It is not justifiable to say they do the same training. You can be the best trained pilot, doesn't mean that you know how to utilise and draw on the experience that must be earned in the right hand seat.
For example, An eighteen year old gets their full license. Now a great & graceful driver like myself 22+yrs experience is almost of the same standard and experience in how to judge decisions? (Not that I'am comparing people who can drive to pilots in command)
Now how many people here think that flying onboard a flight where there is possibly 5000 hours between Capt and FO? Or onboard with an experienced crew with possibly 25,000 hours between Capt and FO?
Childish digs? Erm the past two are people who can't provide a reasonable argument as to why I shouldn't express a concearn about young inexperienced captains!!!
ADC when was this? As it is not a valid point to say nearly 500 flights went on time for the past few days . Also it must be consistent not just a wee one off.
Last but not least, I'am willing to bet my months pay that these so called Captains, when they move to a better airline will almost certainly lose command and have to start from scratch.
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Mate, if you're going to pose a question in an argument, at least make some bloody sense.
Think what?
Secondly, of course a captain "so-called" or otherwise will likely lose his command. DEC schemes in the UK are usually recruitment exceptions done with the acquiescence of Balpa to allow for growth where current company experience does not allow.
I know Captains with less than 18 months in the left gain a DEC at another outfit and I also know of Captains with several years left seat experience go to another company in the right seat.
Now how many people here think that flying onboard a flight where there is possibly 5000 hours between Capt and FO? Or onboard with an experienced crew with possibly 25,000 hours between Capt and FO?
Secondly, of course a captain "so-called" or otherwise will likely lose his command. DEC schemes in the UK are usually recruitment exceptions done with the acquiescence of Balpa to allow for growth where current company experience does not allow.
I know Captains with less than 18 months in the left gain a DEC at another outfit and I also know of Captains with several years left seat experience go to another company in the right seat.
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Ah what a great day today in the flybe cabin.
All passengers with their newspapers open at the articles reporting the 'gas chamber' stylee 146 and seeking reassurance from us that they were going to survive their flight. Still at least it stopped them grumbling about re mortgaging their homes to pay for a cup of tea or bottled water.
As for small children working the flightdeck well you used to know when you were getting old when policemen looked young, now its clearly captains, and lets not forget some cabin crew are just teenagers. Jealous moi? No i am just old and tired too many wrinkles hey maybe thats what the poisonous fumes are for to kill off us oldies
All passengers with their newspapers open at the articles reporting the 'gas chamber' stylee 146 and seeking reassurance from us that they were going to survive their flight. Still at least it stopped them grumbling about re mortgaging their homes to pay for a cup of tea or bottled water.
As for small children working the flightdeck well you used to know when you were getting old when policemen looked young, now its clearly captains, and lets not forget some cabin crew are just teenagers. Jealous moi? No i am just old and tired too many wrinkles hey maybe thats what the poisonous fumes are for to kill off us oldies
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From the mouth (or fingers) of airbus-commander
I was once a young cocky captain
This is why..the legal minimum age of an unfrozen ATPL should be raised to 30 with at least 10,000 hours experience
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Airbus Commander,
I bet a pound for a penny your the great Airbus Aviator, who when going to BHD squeals over the radio like a spoilt child whenever Scottish have the damned cheek to slow you down for a 146 infront. God forbid if its a Dash 8!!! Shock, dont they know who we are!!! Clear the skys the master race is comming........B@ll@X. Bet you aint so gobby in Heathrows Airspace.
So much for your advancing years and trillions of hours...... where is your professionalism.
I bet a pound for a penny your the great Airbus Aviator, who when going to BHD squeals over the radio like a spoilt child whenever Scottish have the damned cheek to slow you down for a 146 infront. God forbid if its a Dash 8!!! Shock, dont they know who we are!!! Clear the skys the master race is comming........B@ll@X. Bet you aint so gobby in Heathrows Airspace.
So much for your advancing years and trillions of hours...... where is your professionalism.
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Mad Bob
You've cracked it in one! I hate those flying gas chambers
They should tell them to hold and let us show them magic by seeing a real jetliner flying the ILS
I sometimes think that when we taxi past and their crews are looking at us in awe that they might one day finally be allowed to operate on a real aircraft and for a real airline.
FE Bob, possibly you will get the chance to fly an Airbus (real plane)
FE - Flight Engineer/First Officer because of the amount of times your lot decide to go tech
They should tell them to hold and let us show them magic by seeing a real jetliner flying the ILS
I sometimes think that when we taxi past and their crews are looking at us in awe that they might one day finally be allowed to operate on a real aircraft and for a real airline.
FE Bob, possibly you will get the chance to fly an Airbus (real plane)
FE - Flight Engineer/First Officer because of the amount of times your lot decide to go tech
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Yes i remeber looking at your airbus in awe at BHD, as it tootled along the taxi way with its hold door open 
Its a good job the guys in the gas chamber hadnt had a whole days exposure or some dodery old airbus command... er captain could have lost his zimmer
Its a good job the guys in the gas chamber hadnt had a whole days exposure or some dodery old airbus command... er captain could have lost his zimmer
. This better than most movies!
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Would Airbus Commander be the same guy that complained about ATC in BHD being unprofessional in their R/T discipline, but then is all sweetness and light when he talks to them on the R/T?
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Mr Jones,
I have never complained about the R/T at BHD. Far from it actually! My beef is only with Flybe due to the age of the Captains. I don't think it is safe and never will, but people on here think that BE are the pinnacle of commercial aviation and still haven't proven to me that it is better having a captain with very little experience than a captain with 20,000+ hours?
I have never complained about the R/T at BHD. Far from it actually! My beef is only with Flybe due to the age of the Captains. I don't think it is safe and never will, but people on here think that BE are the pinnacle of commercial aviation and still haven't proven to me that it is better having a captain with very little experience than a captain with 20,000+ hours?
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Dear Mr Airbus, sorry Dear Mr Airbus SIR,
From what I am reading on here, it seems to me that it is you that
needs to prove to the rest of us not the other way round.
Was it not a old captin who thought he was better and wiser than
his fellow flight deck who caused the deaths of hundreds of pax
in TFN so many years ago, funny but you dont seem very approachable
but then again it might just be how your coming across on here.
From what I am reading on here, it seems to me that it is you that
needs to prove to the rest of us not the other way round.
Was it not a old captin who thought he was better and wiser than
his fellow flight deck who caused the deaths of hundreds of pax
in TFN so many years ago, funny but you dont seem very approachable
but then again it might just be how your coming across on here.
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Unfortunately,
I think you'll find that he also treats his co-pilots with complete scorn if they "question his authority" (read his previous posts).
Captains with no CRM skills such as he (if he really is one) are a danger to all crews if he treats crews this way.
Watch out and file those ASRs and CHIRP reports if he does this to you.
I think you'll find that he also treats his co-pilots with complete scorn if they "question his authority" (read his previous posts).
Captains with no CRM skills such as he (if he really is one) are a danger to all crews if he treats crews this way.
Watch out and file those ASRs and CHIRP reports if he does this to you.
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Older people do have more experience 
but can also become
complacent
.
Some crashes have also been caused by a large gulf in age between pilot and first officer, where the latter feels he/she dare not contradict the former.
but can also become complacent
.Some crashes have also been caused by a large gulf in age between pilot and first officer, where the latter feels he/she dare not contradict the former.
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The Airbus is for girls, poofy lavender scent through the air vents.. 146 thats for Blokes...cant beat a good lungful of organophosphates to get you going in the morning. 
Is "airbus commander" just winding people up ?
As far as I know Flybe have never had a hull loss incident leading to any passenger fatality, or indeed a hull loss incident full stop. I guess he is refering to dash 8 crews and it is interesting to note that the most significant incident to date on a flybe Q400, leading to a full evacuation at LBA was dealt with in an exemplary manner (if that is spelt correctly) by a crew whose captain had 4,150 hours TT, so possibly about 5,000 hrs combined experience on the flight deck.
Obviously I don't know which airline Airbus Commander flies his airbus into BHD for so cannot comment on their operation. But to put hours in the flight deck into perspective, with a similar (20yrs +) of flying experience, every time I drive up the M1 past the EMA approach lights I cant help wondering what it must have felt like when a crew with 16,360 hours between them finally realised that it was to late to restart the good engine. And everytime I think "there but for the grace of God..." and remind myself that with experience and familiarity can also come complacency.
As far as I know Flybe have never had a hull loss incident leading to any passenger fatality, or indeed a hull loss incident full stop. I guess he is refering to dash 8 crews and it is interesting to note that the most significant incident to date on a flybe Q400, leading to a full evacuation at LBA was dealt with in an exemplary manner (if that is spelt correctly) by a crew whose captain had 4,150 hours TT, so possibly about 5,000 hrs combined experience on the flight deck.
Obviously I don't know which airline Airbus Commander flies his airbus into BHD for so cannot comment on their operation. But to put hours in the flight deck into perspective, with a similar (20yrs +) of flying experience, every time I drive up the M1 past the EMA approach lights I cant help wondering what it must have felt like when a crew with 16,360 hours between them finally realised that it was to late to restart the good engine. And everytime I think "there but for the grace of God..." and remind myself that with experience and familiarity can also come complacency.