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Nick - i cant see them doing that as they want to get their fleet finally down to two types! it less cost effective to have to train crew , engineers etc on another type not to mention the cost of spares holding.
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Q400 payload / range
A friend was flying back from Bergerac to EDI with Flybe recently. The Q400 apparently didn't have enough payload / range to do the trip in one hop because of a headwind. If they'd put down in Manchester for fuel the crew would have been out of hours, and the pax and crew would have been stuck in Manchester overnight. The solution was to leave most of the bags in Bergerac which meant enough fuel could be carried to fly the route non-stop. Needless to say, there were a lot of unhappy pax on arrival in EDI, and their bags didn't turn up for several days. Is this a one-off incident or is the Q400's payload/range a bit marginal for the Bergerac - EDI route?
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I carried the 24 bags that were to be left behind in Bergerac in our "unsuitable" 145. We were 85% full as well.
Brought them back to Brum to connect onto the next EDI service. We only found out about this situation when the dispatcher arrived late to our aircraft from sorting out the bags to be left. If we hadn't offered, the bags would have stayed there another week - and if the next flight had been full, god knows how long they would have stayed there.
Unfortunately - as has been stated many times, the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing.
Brought them back to Brum to connect onto the next EDI service. We only found out about this situation when the dispatcher arrived late to our aircraft from sorting out the bags to be left. If we hadn't offered, the bags would have stayed there another week - and if the next flight had been full, god knows how long they would have stayed there.
Unfortunately - as has been stated many times, the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing.
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Bergerac-Edinburgh is only approximately 680nms, with a still air flight time in the 400 of 2hrs 9mins, so although I don't know the exact circumstances of the flight in question regarding EGC or en-route weather, it certainly isn't "a long way in a TP" as cheesycol states. An equivalent distance which I used to do regularly would be the Manchester-Salzburg (670nms) ski charters, which packed the 400 to bursting with pax & bags, but never came close to presenting us with any payload/range problems. Additionally, the figures above were at a 'max cruise' power setting, at a 'long range cruise' power setting the distances (and obviously times) are increased further.
Bristol-Bergerac or Bordeaux is a third shorter, but it was often possible to carry round trip fuel. Such distances are really no problem for the 400.
porrohman, on your friend's flight there must have been something more than a simple headwind.
Bristol-Bergerac or Bordeaux is a third shorter, but it was often possible to carry round trip fuel. Such distances are really no problem for the 400.
porrohman, on your friend's flight there must have been something more than a simple headwind.
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FlyBE website
I see that the website has reverted to quoting all fares without tax, charges etc.
It's only a few weeks since they went all inclusive.
I wonder if this is a policy U-turn or a technical glitch that no-one at FlyBe has noticed ?
It's only a few weeks since they went all inclusive.
I wonder if this is a policy U-turn or a technical glitch that no-one at FlyBe has noticed ?
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Correction - the 1st page on the website does show the fare and taxes.....its in white box on the right.
Once the passenger has selected which flight they want at the appropriate fare, the computer generates the taxes seperately but still shows them on the 1st screen.
It is different and I personally hate it but my opinion is irrelevant....
Once the passenger has selected which flight they want at the appropriate fare, the computer generates the taxes seperately but still shows them on the 1st screen.
It is different and I personally hate it but my opinion is irrelevant....
Just received the latest e-mail from Flybe boasting that Flybe serve more routes to Germany from Manchester than Lufthansa.
Now, Lufty fly to Dusseldorf, Munich,Hamburg & Frankfurt from MAN, using acft from CRJ to A321
As far as I can see, Flybe only serve Dusseldorf, Frankfurt & Hannover from MAN using the little E145.
So someone has made a boo boo somewhere.
Now, Lufty fly to Dusseldorf, Munich,Hamburg & Frankfurt from MAN, using acft from CRJ to A321
As far as I can see, Flybe only serve Dusseldorf, Frankfurt & Hannover from MAN using the little E145.
So someone has made a boo boo somewhere.
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If you want a Marketing Boo Boo you just need to look at the 'Low cost but not at any cost' DH-4. I have it on very good authority that allegedly due to the weight of all the paint used, this aircraft has to carry fewer passengers due to the operating weight and thus is not more efficient! Nice one if its true!
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As far as I can see, Flybe only serve Dusseldorf, Frankfurt & Hannover from MAN using the little E145
And if you're really lucky you can fly on the Q4 on these routes when no 145 available
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Give it a rest flycatcher.....flybe never operate into CGN on their MAN services as the aircraft is MAN based.
The BHX service due to nightstopper sometimes ends in CGN but do you seriously think that Flybe's operations department don't think about that and make changes when they can.
Still, when the Q400's operating it'll not be a problem as there are lesser restrictions on this arriving/departing. Better for passengers and the airline hey!
The BHX service due to nightstopper sometimes ends in CGN but do you seriously think that Flybe's operations department don't think about that and make changes when they can.
Still, when the Q400's operating it'll not be a problem as there are lesser restrictions on this arriving/departing. Better for passengers and the airline hey!
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Businness cabin
Just out of interest, does anyone know if flybe used to operate a seperate businness cabin on there flights, back when they were British/Jersey European, and was it a success? Someone told me they used to but i'm not sure.
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IIRC they used to keep the front rows free for full fare business pax (can't recall the brand name, sorry) and they used to only allocate seats A,C,D,F on the 146, using the always empty middle seat as part of their marketing.
As to success? Well 9/11 intervened and they had to re-vamp the whole offer into what we now have in order to survive.
As to success? Well 9/11 intervened and they had to re-vamp the whole offer into what we now have in order to survive.
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BHD Flyer - Yes they did. On the 146's they used to offer 12 seats in a separate cabin with economy configured 3+3 and business 2+2 with larger seats and a curtain separating the cabins.
JE were infact the first airline to introduce a domestic business class product with full meal service on short haul domestic flying. Whilst the product was excellent and often had good numbers of passengers, as with all airlines, it meant giving a great deal away for not much more than the cost of a full priced economy return.
The product then changed to 3+3 seating in Business but to add better flexibility, BE (as it was then) selected seating that allowed the back rest to fold down into a table allowing the 'middle seat free' description as explained above. This allowed the whole aircraft to be converted to a business class fit and the cabin to be modified on the turnaround based on the demand on the next sector. Very ingenious at the time. The product was simply called 'Business' although on the F27 and SD360 there was on offering on the ground but not in the air which was labelled 'Regional Direct' if I remember correctly.
In short, the recession bit and businesses were less inclined to pay for their staff to fly on a business ticket. Business class was removed and the business product that is in existence today became the offering with a business experience on the ground but not in the air.
Business class was certainly a profitable enterprise at the time, but those 12 business seats at the front of the 146's were changed to 18 economy seats which generated better revenues.
JE were infact the first airline to introduce a domestic business class product with full meal service on short haul domestic flying. Whilst the product was excellent and often had good numbers of passengers, as with all airlines, it meant giving a great deal away for not much more than the cost of a full priced economy return.
The product then changed to 3+3 seating in Business but to add better flexibility, BE (as it was then) selected seating that allowed the back rest to fold down into a table allowing the 'middle seat free' description as explained above. This allowed the whole aircraft to be converted to a business class fit and the cabin to be modified on the turnaround based on the demand on the next sector. Very ingenious at the time. The product was simply called 'Business' although on the F27 and SD360 there was on offering on the ground but not in the air which was labelled 'Regional Direct' if I remember correctly.
In short, the recession bit and businesses were less inclined to pay for their staff to fly on a business ticket. Business class was removed and the business product that is in existence today became the offering with a business experience on the ground but not in the air.
Business class was certainly a profitable enterprise at the time, but those 12 business seats at the front of the 146's were changed to 18 economy seats which generated better revenues.