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Quote: "But im sure 2008 will be another good year of growth for EMA"
May well be in PAX figures, but how about profits? Already it seems that the airport cannot afford the new baggage screening equipment to permit passengers to take two carry on bags.
Sooner or later airports such as EMA will wake up to the fact the reliance on Ryanair and other LoCo carriers but bums on seats but doesn't necessarily produce the revenue to operate as a proper airport should.
I suppose the EMA's saving grace is the revenue it earns from cargo and mail - unless of course DHL and UPS are also paying next to nothing for use of the airport.
May well be in PAX figures, but how about profits? Already it seems that the airport cannot afford the new baggage screening equipment to permit passengers to take two carry on bags.
Sooner or later airports such as EMA will wake up to the fact the reliance on Ryanair and other LoCo carriers but bums on seats but doesn't necessarily produce the revenue to operate as a proper airport should.
I suppose the EMA's saving grace is the revenue it earns from cargo and mail - unless of course DHL and UPS are also paying next to nothing for use of the airport.
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Well times are changing, airports need to look at how it charges and makes it money. More pax the more it can charge shops, make money from car parks. .. . MAG does make a good profit from EMA, but it doesn't need to spend money on things that are not really needed.
As I say time will tell.
Lee
As I say time will tell.
Lee
Whilst the new security screening equipment may not be needed, I think you will find that passengers will prefer to take as much carry on baggage as they can, and when they realise that the airport down the road (BHX vs EMA or MAN vs LPL) allows them that facility some will vote with their feet.
I agree there are a number of dodgy scams, such as EMA's car parking that can help to make up for money the airports don't make from the airlines, again, passengers and also their friends and relative who get ripped off by the EMA shortstay car parking charges will ultimately make their decision - a slightly higher fare, versus extra costs for car parks, food, and more creature comforts. Not everyone is a cheap skate.
You can't treat passengers like sh*t for ever and not expect to lose a few.
I agree there are a number of dodgy scams, such as EMA's car parking that can help to make up for money the airports don't make from the airlines, again, passengers and also their friends and relative who get ripped off by the EMA shortstay car parking charges will ultimately make their decision - a slightly higher fare, versus extra costs for car parks, food, and more creature comforts. Not everyone is a cheap skate.
You can't treat passengers like sh*t for ever and not expect to lose a few.
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Stand 12
As far as stand 12 is concerned, until relatively recently it was a coaching only stand, but earlier in the year handling agents were given the choice of either walking or coaching from this stand, as this avoided unnecessary delays in the busy summer period when coach drivers were at a premium.
However, what seems to be happening more often is that handling agents are using their discretion and not providing coaches at all, thus leading to the increasing number of conflicts between inbound and outbound flights. This fact struck home most memorably last weekend, when an FCA Santa flight from Finland arrived back around 21:30, the temperature was just above freezing with a cold wind blowing, and because Servisair did not provide a coach, parents were forced to carry their tired and emotional young children from stand 12 to international arrivals. I'm not singling out Servisair for criticism here, on several occasions I have seen pax on Menzies flights walk through the rain to arrivals.
We would all like to see every flight have its own warm and dry airbridge, but realistically this isn't going to happen, and we just have to make the best of what we have.
R5
However, what seems to be happening more often is that handling agents are using their discretion and not providing coaches at all, thus leading to the increasing number of conflicts between inbound and outbound flights. This fact struck home most memorably last weekend, when an FCA Santa flight from Finland arrived back around 21:30, the temperature was just above freezing with a cold wind blowing, and because Servisair did not provide a coach, parents were forced to carry their tired and emotional young children from stand 12 to international arrivals. I'm not singling out Servisair for criticism here, on several occasions I have seen pax on Menzies flights walk through the rain to arrivals.
We would all like to see every flight have its own warm and dry airbridge, but realistically this isn't going to happen, and we just have to make the best of what we have.
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Screening
It's the screening that's such a pain more than the actual flying these days, you never know what to expect from one airport to the next, it's what puts me off flying more than anything and EMA certainly isn't the worst in this respect, I've had some nightmares at security and not just overseas, STN for example!
Our outbound security last week EMA to VLC was belts and shoes off but leave laptop in it's case in rucksack.
Coming back this Wednesday at VLC it was keep belt and shoes on but take laptop out of rucksack, out of it's case and open it up for inspection.
That's only 100% different security wise with those 3 items. As someone who flies quite a bit it just
me off to the extent that I get the train if I can, why should the rules be so different?
Most effecient baggage reclaim I've ever experienced at EMA by the way, bags on the belt waiting as soon as we appeared in the hall!
Our outbound security last week EMA to VLC was belts and shoes off but leave laptop in it's case in rucksack.
Coming back this Wednesday at VLC it was keep belt and shoes on but take laptop out of rucksack, out of it's case and open it up for inspection.
That's only 100% different security wise with those 3 items. As someone who flies quite a bit it just
me off to the extent that I get the train if I can, why should the rules be so different?Most effecient baggage reclaim I've ever experienced at EMA by the way, bags on the belt waiting as soon as we appeared in the hall!
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Seems you experienced a very confused guard/officer.
DfT rules are that all laptops should be screened seperately, belts only need be removed if they cannot be searched in situ. But a tip - if you make the archway alarm, you will have to be searched. So if you have a metal belt buckle - always take it off even if not asked to.
One-in-three of those that do not trigger the archway are searched. So to ease your way through security - either dont wear a big buckle, or take it off while in the queue.
If you carryon is packed tight and cannot be clearly penetrated by the Xray machine it will be pulled and hand searched.
I agree that the DfT current security measures are not easy to live with, but having been in LHR T3 for a while I have seen a few "irritated" passengers who could have saled through security if they had packed a little less, not tried to hide 3 cans of Pepsi in the bottom of a bag, and just taken their cowboy belt off and put it in the tray.
Seems you experienced a very confused guard/officer.
DfT rules are that all laptops should be screened seperately, belts only need be removed if they cannot be searched in situ. But a tip - if you make the archway alarm, you will have to be searched. So if you have a metal belt buckle - always take it off even if not asked to.
One-in-three of those that do not trigger the archway are searched. So to ease your way through security - either dont wear a big buckle, or take it off while in the queue.
If you carryon is packed tight and cannot be clearly penetrated by the Xray machine it will be pulled and hand searched.
I agree that the DfT current security measures are not easy to live with, but having been in LHR T3 for a while I have seen a few "irritated" passengers who could have saled through security if they had packed a little less, not tried to hide 3 cans of Pepsi in the bottom of a bag, and just taken their cowboy belt off and put it in the tray.
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FCA Santa flight from Finland arrived back around 21:30, the temperature was just above freezing with a cold wind blowing,
They shouldn't be moaning at those temperatures when they have just spent the day at Lapland at probably -20/-30
They shouldn't be moaning at those temperatures when they have just spent the day at Lapland at probably -20/-30
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Almost happened/considered
There is a picture posted on airliners of a Qantas 747 on the apron at EMA in the 80's.
The commentor states that QF considered an EMA-LHR-SYD service, later became MAN-LHR-SYD.
WW actually announced EMA-CPH, but never started it.
As this is a quiet week for news - how about we review some things that almost happened or were considered. Anyone know of any others?
The commentor states that QF considered an EMA-LHR-SYD service, later became MAN-LHR-SYD.
WW actually announced EMA-CPH, but never started it.
As this is a quiet week for news - how about we review some things that almost happened or were considered. Anyone know of any others?
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Does anybody know who has the Manx2 and XL handling contracts yet?
egnxema, baby have launched and dropped, or announced but never flown; MJV, CPH, MAD, NCE (though this is returning), BGY, PSA, TLS, BCN, LYS, BOD, BUD, DUB, ORK and NOC from what I can remember. bmi regional did ABZ for a season once daily, and I'd heard that if baby added a 6th a/c or regional based a 2nd one that ABZ might be a new route.
Does anybody know if the second a/c for UKIA is being based at EMA to launch more routes?
egnxema, baby have launched and dropped, or announced but never flown; MJV, CPH, MAD, NCE (though this is returning), BGY, PSA, TLS, BCN, LYS, BOD, BUD, DUB, ORK and NOC from what I can remember. bmi regional did ABZ for a season once daily, and I'd heard that if baby added a 6th a/c or regional based a 2nd one that ABZ might be a new route.
Does anybody know if the second a/c for UKIA is being based at EMA to launch more routes?
Sam-ema
Fog around in the northern home counties is the most likely reason for the FR Kerry flight diverting to EMA (unless FR just wanted to avoid a positioning flight
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Fog around in the northern home counties is the most likely reason for the FR Kerry flight diverting to EMA (unless FR just wanted to avoid a positioning flight
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just noticed from another site that Stansted was shut for 45 mins due to ils failure and in visibility of 500metres or less meant either lots of holding or diverting. im just guessing but this would probably account for FR702 diverting into EMA.
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It doesn't look good for UKIA at the moment
SUSPENSION OF FLIGHTS
UKIA regrets to announce the temporary suspension of its service to Sharjah
and Islamabad due to operational issues. The company is keen to put in place
a number of improvements which will provide our valued customers with an
enhanced flying experience and we are unable to implement these in an
efficient or effective way whilst adhering to the current flying schedule.
We are entirely confident that our customers will benefit greatly from the
improvements that we intend to introduce and we anticipate relaunching our
brand new, enhanced service in the New Year.
We apologise to our customers for any inconvenience caused and thank them
for their patience and understanding.
UKIA MANAGEMENT
UKIA regrets to announce the temporary suspension of its service to Sharjah
and Islamabad due to operational issues. The company is keen to put in place
a number of improvements which will provide our valued customers with an
enhanced flying experience and we are unable to implement these in an
efficient or effective way whilst adhering to the current flying schedule.
We are entirely confident that our customers will benefit greatly from the
improvements that we intend to introduce and we anticipate relaunching our
brand new, enhanced service in the New Year.
We apologise to our customers for any inconvenience caused and thank them
for their patience and understanding.
UKIA MANAGEMENT