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Do all companies, such as BA and Air France etc. have such a useless and inappropriate piece of gibberish
Much cheaper to open a thesaurus and throw a dart.
By the way, what is another word for thesaurus.....please don't show your ignorance by typing 'dictionary'.
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You'd think someone as legendary( Missing Comma) in every way as dope05(missing comma) might learn that sentences start with Capital Letters!!(double exclamation) 6/10 see me
Come on dopey, now tell us how many page three tarts you've shagged
Today 23:34 - why would I want to shag a a dopey tart, with plastic tits? obviously your goal.
Go on then give me a full appraisal of the financial situation of Alitalia, its options, with regard to EU regs, TUPE, if applicable and how, in your view, the Italian Government will deal with the crisis
Come on dopey, now tell us how many page three tarts you've shagged
Today 23:34 - why would I want to shag a a dopey tart, with plastic tits? obviously your goal.
Go on then give me a full appraisal of the financial situation of Alitalia, its options, with regard to EU regs, TUPE, if applicable and how, in your view, the Italian Government will deal with the crisis
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They really are flogging a dead horse! Why keep flying as if nothing is happening??? Their website shows no signs of any problems, they are still accepting bookings well into the future and lets face, unless you are clued into business news I am sure most people outside of Italy who have booked with them are clueless as to whats going on, we only know because we are interested!
Its demise is imminent, if they insist on flying around until the airline is running on fumes well fine but they should really be using this time to wind down operations, try to get word out to people with bookings that flights will be ending on whatever day, they will try to fly you home, ensure all crews are back home and basically have their affairs in order!!!! Flying around with this "Iya nooooooooo Nattang!!??!" mentality though very Italian is not the way to go!
I can see it now, AZ flight arrives down route, pulls onto stand, ground staff knock on the door, door opens, ground staff says to crew "Sorry to hear about your jobs guys, suppose this is the last AZ flight Ill ever handle", crew member at doors says "What are you talking about?, we are not gone bust", Ground staff says "Yes you are, its all over the news"!!!! Its happened before only I was the ground staff member and the crew were from Sabena!!!
Its demise is imminent, if they insist on flying around until the airline is running on fumes well fine but they should really be using this time to wind down operations, try to get word out to people with bookings that flights will be ending on whatever day, they will try to fly you home, ensure all crews are back home and basically have their affairs in order!!!! Flying around with this "Iya nooooooooo Nattang!!??!" mentality though very Italian is not the way to go!
I can see it now, AZ flight arrives down route, pulls onto stand, ground staff knock on the door, door opens, ground staff says to crew "Sorry to hear about your jobs guys, suppose this is the last AZ flight Ill ever handle", crew member at doors says "What are you talking about?, we are not gone bust", Ground staff says "Yes you are, its all over the news"!!!! Its happened before only I was the ground staff member and the crew were from Sabena!!!
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typical, go on then give us all your reasoned, informed and balanced appraisal of the situation-- thought not
AZ - you can't flog a dead horse! You.........need therapy!
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AAANNNNDDDDDDD back to the thread....
They really are flogging a dead horse! Why keep flying as if nothing is happening??? Their website shows no signs of any problems (the english version anyway), they are still accepting bookings well into the future and lets face it, unless you are clued into business news I am sure most people outside of Italy who have booked with them are clueless as to whats going on, we on pprune only know because we are interested and are following the story!
Its demise is imminent, if they insist on flying around until the airline is running on fumes well fine but they should really be using this time to wind down operations, try to get word out to people with bookings that flights will be ending on whatever day and they will try to fly you home, ensure all crews are back at base and basically have their affairs in order!!!! Flying around with this "Iya nooooooooo Nattang!!??!" mentality though very Italian is not the way to go about it. It will only result in pure chaos at airports around the network.
I can see it now, AZ flight arrives down route, pulls onto stand, ground staff knock on the door, door opens, ground staff says to crew "Sorry to hear about your jobs guys, suppose this is the last AZ flight Ill ever handle", crew member at doors says "What are you talking about?, we are not gone bust", Ground staff says "Yes you are, its all over the news"!!!! Its happened before only I was the ground staff member and the crew were from Sabena!!!
They really are flogging a dead horse! Why keep flying as if nothing is happening??? Their website shows no signs of any problems (the english version anyway), they are still accepting bookings well into the future and lets face it, unless you are clued into business news I am sure most people outside of Italy who have booked with them are clueless as to whats going on, we on pprune only know because we are interested and are following the story!
Its demise is imminent, if they insist on flying around until the airline is running on fumes well fine but they should really be using this time to wind down operations, try to get word out to people with bookings that flights will be ending on whatever day and they will try to fly you home, ensure all crews are back at base and basically have their affairs in order!!!! Flying around with this "Iya nooooooooo Nattang!!??!" mentality though very Italian is not the way to go about it. It will only result in pure chaos at airports around the network.
I can see it now, AZ flight arrives down route, pulls onto stand, ground staff knock on the door, door opens, ground staff says to crew "Sorry to hear about your jobs guys, suppose this is the last AZ flight Ill ever handle", crew member at doors says "What are you talking about?, we are not gone bust", Ground staff says "Yes you are, its all over the news"!!!! Its happened before only I was the ground staff member and the crew were from Sabena!!!
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Thanks for that , I started with a comment that I feel is relevant and then get shot down, except for a few supporters. Look at the last few posts, nothing much about the thread- alitalia, just insults and other rubbish. Some Idiot even thinks to comment on my gramatical punctuation, as if that makes a difference- had to reply though. I have been on this site for years, not commenting much, but just reading. IMHO only 10% of posts are relevant, and the rest are just plain rubbish-- . I have read many posts that I dont agree with, but I dont reply with infantile insults and crass stupidity. Yours is the Prof Pilots Rumour Network, keep it to angry pilots and jornos looking for a scoop- I am out of here-- Out
Final Post script- when I go to work, when I choose, my boss is me and not a computer watching my every move and overiding when it thinks so- Imagine working for an Itel processor. The future is here and in the cockpit. "This is the captain speaking" no it aint cos the computer is not YET wired to the PA system
Final Post script- when I go to work, when I choose, my boss is me and not a computer watching my every move and overiding when it thinks so- Imagine working for an Itel processor.
The future is here and in the cockpit. "This is the captain speaking" no it aint cos the computer is not YET wired to the PA system
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I've had a few beers and in any event, nobody'll give an sh1t about the contents of this post but I'll feel better for saying, Alitailia are an effing joke and have been for some considerable time - they have survived on state bale outs/subsidies for gawd knows how long? Is it true that as things stand the pilots are not contractually obliged to exceed 65hrs pmth? IF this is the case then I rest my case...................As a captain i used to fly with said, 'F**k em' ' and as far as their hosties go, I can go along totally with that sentiment 
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Tell you how good Alitalia's PR is (was hopefully).
On board an Alitalia aircraft at Milan one Christmas eve trying to get home. 10 mins after boarding, it began to snow and settle. After 30 mins of this and not one deicing vehicle in sight I knew we were in for an interesting evening.
After one full hour of this they told us to get off and go to the terminal.
Not one person from Alitalia, crew included, informed us of the reason. Ok, any aircrew knew of course and all flights were cancelled.
In the terminal building there were riots, with management doors being broken down etc., all because of no information, or disinformation and the Italian airlines customer services screaming abuse at stranded passengers. Not the other (Easyjet) way round.
I swore I would never travel on Alitalia ever again, by choice. So far I have kept my promise.
Jobs for life. Oh yes I believe in that. Your life or your employer's life.
On board an Alitalia aircraft at Milan one Christmas eve trying to get home. 10 mins after boarding, it began to snow and settle. After 30 mins of this and not one deicing vehicle in sight I knew we were in for an interesting evening.
After one full hour of this they told us to get off and go to the terminal.
Not one person from Alitalia, crew included, informed us of the reason. Ok, any aircrew knew of course and all flights were cancelled.
In the terminal building there were riots, with management doors being broken down etc., all because of no information, or disinformation and the Italian airlines customer services screaming abuse at stranded passengers. Not the other (Easyjet) way round.
I swore I would never travel on Alitalia ever again, by choice. So far I have kept my promise.
Jobs for life. Oh yes I believe in that. Your life or your employer's life.
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Well, I lived in Milano for 4 years so I do know a little about your beautiful country. Lots of good food, wine, culture, history. The list is long. But politics has always been corrupt, as shows your history. How is it possible that AZ constantly gets new funds and money from miscellaneous dept/ ways?
Who you vote for does not make a big difference at all, and I dont really care about it either.
Anyway, Prodi and Silvio both wants the airline to fly, so of course they try to keep it airborne. Its an interest of Italy! What I dislike is some of the unformal and sometimes even incorrect ways they thrive to keep AZ running. Of course, friends and connections are most important too.
Speaking of the employees, and not affecting the airlines chances to survive... I do believe they have an impact, going the extra mile. But if you have staff not wanting to do anything extra at all, that will definitly affect the company. Also if it means helping your cc cleaning the cabin.
And yes I try to do it when there is time and place for it. Have you? Did not think so, surely because its not in your "area of responsability" 
Happy landing AZ
Well, I lived in Milano for 4 years so I do know a little about your beautiful country. Lots of good food, wine, culture, history. The list is long. But politics has always been corrupt, as shows your history. How is it possible that AZ constantly gets new funds and money from miscellaneous dept/ ways?
Who you vote for does not make a big difference at all, and I dont really care about it either.
Anyway, Prodi and Silvio both wants the airline to fly, so of course they try to keep it airborne. Its an interest of Italy! What I dislike is some of the unformal and sometimes even incorrect ways they thrive to keep AZ running. Of course, friends and connections are most important too.
Speaking of the employees, and not affecting the airlines chances to survive... I do believe they have an impact, going the extra mile. But if you have staff not wanting to do anything extra at all, that will definitly affect the company. Also if it means helping your cc cleaning the cabin.
And yes I try to do it when there is time and place for it. Have you? Did not think so, surely because its not in your "area of responsability" Happy landing AZ
Apparently, the flight attendants´ union Anpav is now ready to accept CAI´s offer - but only if wages are not reduced. A small move, but probably too little and too late.
If you took AZ to a vet, what would the outcome be?
"Life is pleasant.
Death is peaceful.
It's the transition that's troublesome"
Isaac Asimov (1920-1992)
Dopa V, hang in there, this thread is in danger of being only about AZ, not you. Did you ever study non linear dynamics? I thinka youra naturellement.
Now where has the lithium gone? Oh well back to the Resolute desk, and maybe a swim at Hot Springs..... time for the 3rd New Deal? last time we had the Brains Trust.... this time we may go with the Drain's Crust.
buy buy for now.....
Death is peaceful.
It's the transition that's troublesome"
Isaac Asimov (1920-1992)
Dopa V, hang in there, this thread is in danger of being only about AZ, not you. Did you ever study non linear dynamics? I thinka youra naturellement.
Now where has the lithium gone? Oh well back to the Resolute desk, and maybe a swim at Hot Springs..... time for the 3rd New Deal? last time we had the Brains Trust.... this time we may go with the Drain's Crust.
buy buy for now.....
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What I really wonder about is, how the Italian Aviation Authority can let them continue, when the commercial success is undoubtely NOT there...
I once was the DO for a 2 A/C ops and we had to prove every quarter that there is enough money for all foreseeable maintenance etc. (JAROPS 1 req., and I think it is also a EASA Ops req)
CAN AZ prove this? I doubt it, but hey then thats an airline where I think most regulators (including the ones that checked us) would not dare to pull the plug.
Always nice to see how equally the law is used amongst us.
If you look at Italy as a whole, then you wonder it is working anyway. But it is and the way it is, sort of, awesome. I hate to go there as operating crew, but I certainly enjoy the dolce vita during holidays.
Good luck everyone in AZ.
I once was the DO for a 2 A/C ops and we had to prove every quarter that there is enough money for all foreseeable maintenance etc. (JAROPS 1 req., and I think it is also a EASA Ops req)
CAN AZ prove this? I doubt it, but hey then thats an airline where I think most regulators (including the ones that checked us) would not dare to pull the plug.
Always nice to see how equally the law is used amongst us.
If you look at Italy as a whole, then you wonder it is working anyway. But it is and the way it is, sort of, awesome. I hate to go there as operating crew, but I certainly enjoy the dolce vita during holidays.
Good luck everyone in AZ.
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Alitalia has now been taken off the betting site that has been talked about on here, this now makes Fly Globespan the bottom at 3-1.
and Thomas cook at number six (16-1) sandwiched between Wizz and Jet2
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and Thomas cook at number six (16-1) sandwiched between Wizz and Jet2
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Too mean to buy a long personal title
We're all one big federal country now, insofar as business and competition are concerned. That attitude is like saying that Scotland should be allowed to spend its tax money as it sees fit to prop up failing companies, even if it means that English competitors in the same marketplace are unfairly disadvantaged. (Or vice versa.)
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I must admit that I'm in the 'never again' club with Alitalia also after the cancellation of a late evening MXP - LHR.
I won't bore you with the details but let's just say that the fiasco of getting out of the airport, onto buses and into Milan, staying in a horrific 1960's high-rise hotel that could well have been the inspiration for the buildings in the novel '1984', no dinner, no breakfast, a calamitous journey to LIN and finally a landing in LHR that felt like we'd been shot out of the sky all led me to tick the 'no Alitalia' box in kayak.com everytime we've travelled since.
You can't help but wonder how many other people have done the same thing.
I won't bore you with the details but let's just say that the fiasco of getting out of the airport, onto buses and into Milan, staying in a horrific 1960's high-rise hotel that could well have been the inspiration for the buildings in the novel '1984', no dinner, no breakfast, a calamitous journey to LIN and finally a landing in LHR that felt like we'd been shot out of the sky all led me to tick the 'no Alitalia' box in kayak.com everytime we've travelled since.
You can't help but wonder how many other people have done the same thing.
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Can anyone tell me how much fuel AZ have left and if its more than just a gallon can you tell me where its coming from and how are they paying for it.
I also no longer book with AZ but that is because FR offer better times and prices for me out of BGY, however I would not risk AZ at this time.
I also no longer book with AZ but that is because FR offer better times and prices for me out of BGY, however I would not risk AZ at this time.
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..you are right I am not responsible for cleaning the aircraft nor is the cc...the handling agent provides a cleaning crew for that....I did change the cabin configuration in several occasions (movable seating) but in doing that I took a chance because you need to be certified to do that for it has to be officially reported and signed....
..you are right I am not responsible for cleaning the aircraft nor is the cc...the handling agent provides a cleaning crew for that....I did change the cabin configuration in several occasions (movable seating) but in doing that I took a chance because you need to be certified to do that for it has to be officially reported and signed....