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And was there not another airline operating FNC from CWL last year? or am i going crazy?
TOM was the only service to FNC last year and I can't remember a time when two carriers operated in tandem on that one. I'm sure you remain perfectly sane.
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As for FNC. TOM have operated it for the past 2 yrs. I think the route actually began during a winter season.
Before that Astraeus operated the route for Atlantic Holidays, split with LBA.
It would be a shame if they did stop it from CWL and BRS.
Even with Easyjet from BRS, CWL could pick up the pax that want to fly charter and stick with TOM or First Choice Holidays.
It will be interesting to see what will replace it. Hopefully a new route. But i'm guessing it'll probably be a current Spanish route!
Before that Astraeus operated the route for Atlantic Holidays, split with LBA.
It would be a shame if they did stop it from CWL and BRS.
Even with Easyjet from BRS, CWL could pick up the pax that want to fly charter and stick with TOM or First Choice Holidays.
It will be interesting to see what will replace it. Hopefully a new route. But i'm guessing it'll probably be a current Spanish route!
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"Although the 2x longhaul from BRS are via another UK airport.One would like to think that if TOM could have filled the 767 locally then it could have operated direct from CWL?"
The CUN and SFB are filled locally at BRS, they do not pick up pax at MAN.
"Although the 2x longhaul from BRS are via another UK airport.One would like to think that if TOM could have filled the 767 locally then it could have operated direct from CWL?"
The CUN and SFB are filled locally at BRS, they do not pick up pax at MAN.
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Thanks Watabench - I didnt realise that.
I am probably going to be shot down in flames but here goes.....in that case wouldnt it be more economical for TOM to operate these two long haul flights from CWL? It could then go direct without the additional costs of landing at another UK airport and I am sure that BRS punters would have crossed the bridge if operated from CWL as an alternative to flying from a London base. Never mind the welsh passengers who are probably already using this flight! CWL also has the crew to staff the 767.
I am probably going to be shot down in flames but here goes.....in that case wouldnt it be more economical for TOM to operate these two long haul flights from CWL? It could then go direct without the additional costs of landing at another UK airport and I am sure that BRS punters would have crossed the bridge if operated from CWL as an alternative to flying from a London base. Never mind the welsh passengers who are probably already using this flight! CWL also has the crew to staff the 767.
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Gym survey...
Has anyone else seen the above ? Fair enough - something new for the staff BUT... if you do not support the idea, that's it - the survey stops without askng for any other ideas--- like rest areas for both L/s and A/s, a canteen area that actually opens / sells food out of hours with 21st century facilities (like a TV maybe, microwave, usable chairs etc).
Also noted the attempt that's going on to create an ''avenue'' approach by the police portakabins - trees in abundance... don't birds like these - ie live in 'em ?? Still bird strike only a remote chance in these times. And it will save the PC's from having such a naff view from their windows - so instead of row upon row of cars and all the potential goings on there - a nice line of greenery to block it all off, nice.
Also noted the attempt that's going on to create an ''avenue'' approach by the police portakabins - trees in abundance... don't birds like these - ie live in 'em ?? Still bird strike only a remote chance in these times. And it will save the PC's from having such a naff view from their windows - so instead of row upon row of cars and all the potential goings on there - a nice line of greenery to block it all off, nice.
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Don't worry, the trees will have been nicked by christmas!
I agree that the canteen needs to be open longer, a couple of weeks ago I forgot my dinner. Went to get something on my break at 1800 and everything was closed!
I agree that the canteen needs to be open longer, a couple of weeks ago I forgot my dinner. Went to get something on my break at 1800 and everything was closed!
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Welsh Bobby.
My guess is that the marketing teams would of done their homework re longhaul BRS/CWL, its more the fact of BRS having a stronger management team and offering a better deal in the long run, the idea of starting it from BRS is to get a longhaul charter market in place ready for the B787 which will be a perfect partner for longhaul at BRS.
And the area for pax using BRS is much more vast than CWL unfortunatly.
BRS has more TOM crew than CWL nowadays after the A320 FCA leaving CWL most were re located to BRS/EXT. And all crew are 767 trained, what seems to be happening is that crew from various bases are now operating all over the country, thus giving the TOM crewing a lot of flexibility.
I know BRS crew that have recently operated to destinations such BGI, AUA, MBJ, POP, CUN, SFB, MLE...You name it, from BHX, MAN, LGW. So crew for these flights is not an issue.
However all is not lost for CWL, I destinctly remember a TUI manager from head office saying that there was a future for longhaul at both BRS and CWL, I think its just a little blip for you boys over the bridge with longhaul, it will be back soon i'm sure.
My guess is that the marketing teams would of done their homework re longhaul BRS/CWL, its more the fact of BRS having a stronger management team and offering a better deal in the long run, the idea of starting it from BRS is to get a longhaul charter market in place ready for the B787 which will be a perfect partner for longhaul at BRS.
And the area for pax using BRS is much more vast than CWL unfortunatly.
BRS has more TOM crew than CWL nowadays after the A320 FCA leaving CWL most were re located to BRS/EXT. And all crew are 767 trained, what seems to be happening is that crew from various bases are now operating all over the country, thus giving the TOM crewing a lot of flexibility.
I know BRS crew that have recently operated to destinations such BGI, AUA, MBJ, POP, CUN, SFB, MLE...You name it, from BHX, MAN, LGW. So crew for these flights is not an issue.
However all is not lost for CWL, I destinctly remember a TUI manager from head office saying that there was a future for longhaul at both BRS and CWL, I think its just a little blip for you boys over the bridge with longhaul, it will be back soon i'm sure.
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It can be done direct from BRS at a push, and was on one occasion last year due to an 8 hour tech delay, they operated direct to avoid further delay, one major reason for them going via MAN is for cargo reasons, they whack a load of it on up there as it makes the airline mega bucks more than swallowing up any extra cost to go via MAN.
Also from a CWL point of view, dont forget the BRS longhaul programme was set up by First Choice not Thomson, before the merger, and obviously FCA were more pro BRS than CWL.
Also from a CWL point of view, dont forget the BRS longhaul programme was set up by First Choice not Thomson, before the merger, and obviously FCA were more pro BRS than CWL.
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Aer Arann, Air Lingus, Jet 2, Thomson and extra Baby flights i believe will be on the ground for the airlift. These are off the top of my head, not sure if theres any more.
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Summer 2009 looks as if it is going to be the quietest in a very long time..........
Blue Islands are moving into BRS with a J31 to/from GCI - surely CWL management should have jumped on this - BRS already has a daily link to GCI with Aurigny whilst CWL currently has no link.
Also about time the Highland Airways aircraft was upgraded - the J41 with 29 seats would be ideal, more passenger friendly, more room and more luggage. The J31 was great to start but now time for a change. They should also look at charters this summer such as IOM or even GCI. Seems such a waste the aircraft parked up from Friday PM until Monday AM.
There has got to be some "thin" routes that be operated from CWL such as IOM & GCI.
A J41 could even make a London route profitable !!!!
Long haul is another sore point - gone are the Toronto, Orlando, Vancouver, Puerto Plata & Cancun days only to be filled by Palma, Dalaman etc.................we got the length in the runway so lets use it !
Blue Islands are moving into BRS with a J31 to/from GCI - surely CWL management should have jumped on this - BRS already has a daily link to GCI with Aurigny whilst CWL currently has no link.
Also about time the Highland Airways aircraft was upgraded - the J41 with 29 seats would be ideal, more passenger friendly, more room and more luggage. The J31 was great to start but now time for a change. They should also look at charters this summer such as IOM or even GCI. Seems such a waste the aircraft parked up from Friday PM until Monday AM.
There has got to be some "thin" routes that be operated from CWL such as IOM & GCI.
A J41 could even make a London route profitable !!!!
Long haul is another sore point - gone are the Toronto, Orlando, Vancouver, Puerto Plata & Cancun days only to be filled by Palma, Dalaman etc.................we got the length in the runway so lets use it !
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It's not that easy, only because we have the runway doesn't mean we have the passengers to fill the planes.
In all honesty when we did have the Blue Island at cardiff loads wasn't very good and advertising was very poor therfore service lasted a summer season only.
Without employing more crew i don't think we will see any more from Highland at CWL and not sure of the icrease in capacity either as they may allready have plans for the J41.
Now is not the best time for anyone to start new routes but i hope that when the economy picks up Cardiff will be advertising themselves to encourage new airlines and routes.
In all honesty when we did have the Blue Island at cardiff loads wasn't very good and advertising was very poor therfore service lasted a summer season only.
Without employing more crew i don't think we will see any more from Highland at CWL and not sure of the icrease in capacity either as they may allready have plans for the J41.
Now is not the best time for anyone to start new routes but i hope that when the economy picks up Cardiff will be advertising themselves to encourage new airlines and routes.
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I Fly, look at the facts properly and come up with solutions rather than complaints
You talk about HWY increasing cax, but forget this is a PSO route under contract limitations. This means you can't just increase the cax without going through Government re-tender process. You should be directing your comments to WAG and not the airport management.
Also ask realistically why the longhaul has gone.
Canada was Zoom who are no longer. The Globespan replacement didn't happen due to issues with their 757 fleet and their 767's are on more lucrative duties. Air Transat / Canadian Affair have LHR / BHX and EXT and as such do not need CWL. That only leaves 2 other players who both operate from LHR only and are not likely to go anywhere else this year.
Orlando was impacted by XLA going out of business and Thomas Cook, who chartered the MON last year deciding to keep their long haul flying on their own fleet which again are elsewhere on more lucrative duties.
Then the other long hauls are all down to TUI and First Choice merging and by all accounts have an extremely good incentive to keep their BRS longhaul in place instead of CWL.
VS and BA have no desire to do MCO or the Caribbean from the South West and Wales as this is deemed too close to LONDON.
so now I ask for your suggestions. Who else should the airport have tried to do these routes?
Also ask realistically why the longhaul has gone.
Canada was Zoom who are no longer. The Globespan replacement didn't happen due to issues with their 757 fleet and their 767's are on more lucrative duties. Air Transat / Canadian Affair have LHR / BHX and EXT and as such do not need CWL. That only leaves 2 other players who both operate from LHR only and are not likely to go anywhere else this year.
Orlando was impacted by XLA going out of business and Thomas Cook, who chartered the MON last year deciding to keep their long haul flying on their own fleet which again are elsewhere on more lucrative duties.
Then the other long hauls are all down to TUI and First Choice merging and by all accounts have an extremely good incentive to keep their BRS longhaul in place instead of CWL.
VS and BA have no desire to do MCO or the Caribbean from the South West and Wales as this is deemed too close to LONDON.
so now I ask for your suggestions. Who else should the airport have tried to do these routes?
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I'm not 100% sure but i think it's due to the air tax the Government introduced.
Anyone heared the airports advertisment on Real Radio in regards to the new look of the terminal 2010. Nice to see the airport advertising but bit shocking their advertising something for 2010 rather than trying to get people through the door in 2009.
Step in the right direction me thinks
Anyone heared the airports advertisment on Real Radio in regards to the new look of the terminal 2010. Nice to see the airport advertising but bit shocking their advertising something for 2010 rather than trying to get people through the door in 2009.
Step in the right direction me thinks