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Mathers, Heard rumour baby are possibly operating BCN during the summer. Is it true?
CWL was apparently one of the contenders for the tech stop of the new BA LCY-NYC A318 service. The front runner was SNN, bu does anyone know if theres any more progress on this for CWL?
Also heard the airport are looking into what German routes and airlines would be good for CWL. If the unamed airline doesn't get off the ground then management are looking at the alternative airlines they could bring in.
Apparently the new M.D is all for expansion and changes to be brought in... even if the airport does have no money!
CWL was apparently one of the contenders for the tech stop of the new BA LCY-NYC A318 service. The front runner was SNN, bu does anyone know if theres any more progress on this for CWL?
Also heard the airport are looking into what German routes and airlines would be good for CWL. If the unamed airline doesn't get off the ground then management are looking at the alternative airlines they could bring in.
Apparently the new M.D is all for expansion and changes to be brought in... even if the airport does have no money!
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Hello Windsheer, good to see you back in this message board although I've read some of your posts in recent months in other PPRuNe boards.
I hope things are going well with you.
I note your estimate that roughly 40% of the BRS passengers are Welsh.
In its master plans CWL reckons it loses 12% of its catchment to BRS and BRS, in its master plan, says 10.6% of its pax come from Wales.
Now these figures are based on surveys that are three or four years old now and things might have changed.
If they have and you are correct then both airports are labouring under misconceptions of monumental proportions if they are basing their future plans around them.
I hope things are going well with you.
I note your estimate that roughly 40% of the BRS passengers are Welsh.
In its master plans CWL reckons it loses 12% of its catchment to BRS and BRS, in its master plan, says 10.6% of its pax come from Wales.
Now these figures are based on surveys that are three or four years old now and things might have changed.
If they have and you are correct then both airports are labouring under misconceptions of monumental proportions if they are basing their future plans around them.
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I havent heard anything but i have heard that WW have cancelled their weekday rotation of the GDN after my so there will be an a/c spare on for a 7am departure one day a week (think it's tuesdays).
This could leave them an oppourtunity to try the BCN or possibly add a rotation to an existing flight.
On the other note, where did all the money go that was supposed to be for the expansion? Or was it over budget? Maybe they can actually finish the departure lounge off).
Have we any news of when the domestic stairway will be started and completed?
This could leave them an oppourtunity to try the BCN or possibly add a rotation to an existing flight.
On the other note, where did all the money go that was supposed to be for the expansion? Or was it over budget? Maybe they can actually finish the departure lounge off).
Have we any news of when the domestic stairway will be started and completed?
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Domestic stairway has been scrapped and was a ridiculous idea from the genius's from up above anyway!
The schedule for the 2015 plans will apparently still be on track, but not sure when the half finished departures area will be complete. Hope it will be this summer as its going to be a squeeze some days!
Thursday mornings are looking extremely busy with every check-in desk in use and about 9-10 departures between 6-7.30am
Shame about GDN!
I think the BCN is an evening departure, maybe similar to TOM's timings, but only x2 or x3 wkly.
The schedule for the 2015 plans will apparently still be on track, but not sure when the half finished departures area will be complete. Hope it will be this summer as its going to be a squeeze some days!
Thursday mornings are looking extremely busy with every check-in desk in use and about 9-10 departures between 6-7.30am
Shame about GDN!
I think the BCN is an evening departure, maybe similar to TOM's timings, but only x2 or x3 wkly.
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I not heard anything, If it were an evening departure it would have to be a later departure than the IBZ last year.
Well however daft it seems regarding the domestic stairway, it is not as daft as only having 3 walk in stands for domestic flights as airport havent got the facility and only having one gate to board irish flights. And we have extra domestic flights this year which does not help.
Well however daft it seems regarding the domestic stairway, it is not as daft as only having 3 walk in stands for domestic flights as airport havent got the facility and only having one gate to board irish flights. And we have extra domestic flights this year which does not help.
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OK...last time I started talking about transport links, I got grumbled at- however, as Merchant Venturer and co bought it up, I will add some info.
Rhoose station only has enough room for a four coach train. This (together with the fact that the Vale of Glamorgan line has a max speed of 60mph) makes it unlikely that Pad - Swan services will be diverted.
At present trains are 1x train p/h at 06 past the hr to Cardiff and 1x train p/h at 13mins past the hr to Bridgend. Quite a lot of people come from West Wales and change at Bridgend, others coming from the East stay on the main line train at Cardiff and also change at Bridgend. Signs are confusing at Cardiff Central, as some direct you to the bus and others the train!!!
Arriva run the service, though there was talk of First Great Western running additional services and this may still be a possbility. The most likely option is to extend the Portsmouth to Cardiff service, though the Taunton service may also work out. The problem is, most services would go through Bristol first and Taunton residents have Exeter to consider as well. I see the most people coming up from West Wales via Bridgend, though I do not know if formal usage statistics are kept. Additionally, I was talking to a senior council member when the Ebbw Vale railway was opened and it hadn't occured to them that they now had a rail link to the airport (for the benefit of commerce etc) with a change at Cardiff Central!
Here is the issue though- if you travel to Cardiff by train, it is the last of several airport options if you travel from the SouthWest and East. Similarly, if you are in North Wales, there are usually more tempting offers from Bir + Man. It is only the first / best option if you travel from South or West Wales.
So either CWL needs to run niche services that noone else can do + general services for the limited catchment area, or offer extremely tempting prices to make pax skip other options. The second option is unlikely to work out ££££ wise, so the first is what seems to happen.
I think upping the train service to half hourly would help things, but that would mean WAG to stump up more funds. This may occur however in conjunction with the new St Athan development.
OK....back to planes now!
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Rhoose station only has enough room for a four coach train. This (together with the fact that the Vale of Glamorgan line has a max speed of 60mph) makes it unlikely that Pad - Swan services will be diverted.
At present trains are 1x train p/h at 06 past the hr to Cardiff and 1x train p/h at 13mins past the hr to Bridgend. Quite a lot of people come from West Wales and change at Bridgend, others coming from the East stay on the main line train at Cardiff and also change at Bridgend. Signs are confusing at Cardiff Central, as some direct you to the bus and others the train!!!
Arriva run the service, though there was talk of First Great Western running additional services and this may still be a possbility. The most likely option is to extend the Portsmouth to Cardiff service, though the Taunton service may also work out. The problem is, most services would go through Bristol first and Taunton residents have Exeter to consider as well. I see the most people coming up from West Wales via Bridgend, though I do not know if formal usage statistics are kept. Additionally, I was talking to a senior council member when the Ebbw Vale railway was opened and it hadn't occured to them that they now had a rail link to the airport (for the benefit of commerce etc) with a change at Cardiff Central!
Here is the issue though- if you travel to Cardiff by train, it is the last of several airport options if you travel from the SouthWest and East. Similarly, if you are in North Wales, there are usually more tempting offers from Bir + Man. It is only the first / best option if you travel from South or West Wales.
So either CWL needs to run niche services that noone else can do + general services for the limited catchment area, or offer extremely tempting prices to make pax skip other options. The second option is unlikely to work out ££££ wise, so the first is what seems to happen.
I think upping the train service to half hourly would help things, but that would mean WAG to stump up more funds. This may occur however in conjunction with the new St Athan development.
OK....back to planes now!
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The Cardiff Central - Bridgend Vale link should should be extended further west, to Swansea or even Carmarthen. Anyone coming from further west than Bridgend has to use 2 trains and 1 bus. 1 train, then onto the bus at Rhoose would be more appealing.
Also considering most of CWL's domestic/charter traffic during the winter departs before 7am. The first trains from both Cardiff and Bridgend dont arrive at CWL until 0623. Cutting it fine for any 7am departures and missing the morning KLM and some BMI departures before 0630. During the summer there will obviously be alot more daytime departures, but this will more likely be charter traffic.
Evening arrivals tend to get back between 2100-2300. The last direct bus/train link to Bridgend leaves CWL at 2051. The last link to Cardiff central is 2251, which you can then connect to the Central - Bridgend train. But is a very long way around!
The BRS flyer departs every 15 mins during the daytime, then every 30 mins after 1955-2255, with some early hours departures between 0230 - 0600 taking people direct to and from Bristol bus and train stations. Providing high speed rail links to/from the South West, South Wales and Midlands.
I think before worrying about battling with BRS and EXT to gain passengers from the South West, CWL needs to help out the passengers coming from West Wales whos nearest airport is CWL.
Also considering most of CWL's domestic/charter traffic during the winter departs before 7am. The first trains from both Cardiff and Bridgend dont arrive at CWL until 0623. Cutting it fine for any 7am departures and missing the morning KLM and some BMI departures before 0630. During the summer there will obviously be alot more daytime departures, but this will more likely be charter traffic.
Evening arrivals tend to get back between 2100-2300. The last direct bus/train link to Bridgend leaves CWL at 2051. The last link to Cardiff central is 2251, which you can then connect to the Central - Bridgend train. But is a very long way around!
The BRS flyer departs every 15 mins during the daytime, then every 30 mins after 1955-2255, with some early hours departures between 0230 - 0600 taking people direct to and from Bristol bus and train stations. Providing high speed rail links to/from the South West, South Wales and Midlands.
I think before worrying about battling with BRS and EXT to gain passengers from the South West, CWL needs to help out the passengers coming from West Wales whos nearest airport is CWL.
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I have no figures to back up Windsheers statistics but I would say that yes it is a greater percentage than the statistics seem to show. Telling when Bristol had to close for a few days last year were the number of Welsh people flying out of Bristol.
One suspects that if Cardiff had the management team that Bristol had at the end of the 1990s onwards instead of Bristol things could have been very different.
One also wonders if CWL management hide behind the poor links to Cardiff airport too readily to explain passenger figures as well. The public transport is appalling and shameful and not linked to any peak times at the airport either. No doubt we shall be told that is down to the rail companies and bus companies, well CWL sort it out then subsidise your own bus service that gives links at peak times every 20 minutes or so.
One suspects that if Cardiff had the management team that Bristol had at the end of the 1990s onwards instead of Bristol things could have been very different.
One also wonders if CWL management hide behind the poor links to Cardiff airport too readily to explain passenger figures as well. The public transport is appalling and shameful and not linked to any peak times at the airport either. No doubt we shall be told that is down to the rail companies and bus companies, well CWL sort it out then subsidise your own bus service that gives links at peak times every 20 minutes or so.
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As a topic for discussion, do you think the appointment of Mr Duffy who has no experience in the aviation field is a backward step or an ingenious move on behalf of the parent company which will shake up the present managers at the airport and kick a........ Personally, my choice would have been the Aviation Development Manager at BRS. (worth his or her weight in gold and then some)
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Indeed check68gellist a topic that has been discussed and so far I have found the ball drops in both camps. It would be interesting to know who they turned down , if anyone with excellent airport experience didn't get the work.
Perhaps a total change is needed, a business brain is a business brain and if good should be able to turn any type of company around.
Perhaps a total change is needed, a business brain is a business brain and if good should be able to turn any type of company around.
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Couldn't agree with you all more.
Brs management are a 1000 times more pro-active in attracting and keeping airlines. Any airport that says....."Mr O'leary you can stick your airline up your arse" isn't gonna survive!
All the best Cardiff!
Brs management are a 1000 times more pro-active in attracting and keeping airlines. Any airport that says....."Mr O'leary you can stick your airline up your arse" isn't gonna survive!
All the best Cardiff!
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Does anyone know what is happening with these barriers that seem to be appearing at front of the terminal? I have noticed one at the check-point (for busses and short stay car park), one at the old bus lane (where the blocks have now been removed) and there is one now located near the car wash facility.
What is the system they aim to put in place?
I think another reason why people don't like flying from Cardiff is the lack of facilities available. The little we do have don't have consistent opening hours and some not even open up until the last departure (especially in the winter).
Hopefully this will be changed along with a lot of other things under our new leader.
What is the system they aim to put in place?
I think another reason why people don't like flying from Cardiff is the lack of facilities available. The little we do have don't have consistent opening hours and some not even open up until the last departure (especially in the winter).
Hopefully this will be changed along with a lot of other things under our new leader.
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Ive heard that vehicles are going to be allowed to drop off at the terminal. However pickups will still be done in the short stay. Buses will be allowed to use the inner road immediatley adjacent to the Terminal. They will also be able to turn right and use the road running alongside TNT and Raven express. This info is all secondhand nothing confirmed, but it will all be happening very shortly.
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cardiff came 7th in the best european citys beating some of the best citys like madrid geneva barcelona bristol came 15th shame we not got the airport you can fly in and out of tho very poor. ive booked two flights for april and may both not from cwl . brs and birm with baby to madrid and ryanair wroclaw shame love to fly from cardiff more
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It will be interesting to see how they will open the road up near raven and TNT.
Does anyone know when the airport will be introducing their porter service? Apparently it is part of EU regulation and when it is introduced will provide a better service fo the passengers that require special assistance.
Heared that BmiBaby are trying to open up another route from CWL but i have heared 3 names been thrown around, similar to that of other bases. Unfortunatly it will more than likely only be one announcement unless another airframe is brought in.
Does anyone know when the airport will be introducing their porter service? Apparently it is part of EU regulation and when it is introduced will provide a better service fo the passengers that require special assistance.
Heared that BmiBaby are trying to open up another route from CWL but i have heared 3 names been thrown around, similar to that of other bases. Unfortunatly it will more than likely only be one announcement unless another airframe is brought in.
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Hello, new user here.
Hello, have the 4 flag poles at front of building been turned into rugby posts because the airport has no flags? Would have been nice with the WRU Six Nations on, for fans to see their country and ours flying proudly from poles. Still, there are several daffs below them!!!
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I believe it is because they rattle so much in the wind, and just so happen to look like rugby posts too!
For the world cup there was the goal cushions put around each side and i think there are flags that go up too.
The porter service comes into action in July.
For the world cup there was the goal cushions put around each side and i think there are flags that go up too.
The porter service comes into action in July.
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Porter service.
Is this a free service?Sounds a bit posh for Cardiff!Who will act as the porters?
I say this as the airport cleaners double as passenger assistance/ambi-lift drivers.
I say this as the airport cleaners double as passenger assistance/ambi-lift drivers.