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Looks superb from the pictures- let's hope the council pull their collective finger out and let BIA proceed!
Will there also be some widening/ repoisioning of the taxiways/ apron to accommodate a 787?
I understand the current runway is long enough to take a Boeing 787 on a long haul route? Would be nice to see Dubai, Washington, India, etc on the cards in the future!
Will there also be some widening/ repoisioning of the taxiways/ apron to accommodate a 787?
I understand the current runway is long enough to take a Boeing 787 on a long haul route? Would be nice to see Dubai, Washington, India, etc on the cards in the future!
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Proposed terminal expansion
A bit more detail was outlined today in the BEP.
It seems there will still be a 3-star hotel and a 5-storey, 3,600 space, car park with a bus and car drop-off on the top storey linked to the terminal by a glass-walled corridor.
Aircraft stands will be increased by nine to thirty-three.
The consultation - to take place in January - will include public displays and presentations along with information in libraries and on Bristol Airport's website.
The planning submission is now not expected until March 2009.
The BEP's web edition carried comments from eleven people, nine of whom were in favour of the expansion.
Only a straw poll I know but it's another little clue that the SBAE (anti-expansionists) are really a minority viewpoint and not a very big minority at that.
It seems there will still be a 3-star hotel and a 5-storey, 3,600 space, car park with a bus and car drop-off on the top storey linked to the terminal by a glass-walled corridor.
Aircraft stands will be increased by nine to thirty-three.
The consultation - to take place in January - will include public displays and presentations along with information in libraries and on Bristol Airport's website.
The planning submission is now not expected until March 2009.
The BEP's web edition carried comments from eleven people, nine of whom were in favour of the expansion.
Only a straw poll I know but it's another little clue that the SBAE (anti-expansionists) are really a minority viewpoint and not a very big minority at that.
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Walkway.
Did i read somewhere that the plan for the walkway was up in front of the north Somerset planners on Friday, to have the legitimacy of its 'planning not required status'reviewed,after being thrown out by them on reversal of the original granted approval after the SBAE stuck their noses in ?Anybody know if and how it went? Maybe the Hertfordshire result against the the Stanstead approval and its costs being put on to the anti campaigning local authority may make North Somerset and SBAE think again about their misuse of planning rules in the face of hefty costs being awarded against them. though each of the anti individuals should be made to pay the legal costs between themselves.
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i have, but looking at all the contacts who have said that they dont want it, the support are really in the minority!
Easyjet have released their flights for summer 09.....seems less the usual!
Easyjet have released their flights for summer 09.....seems less the usual!
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Covered Walkway
I checked the North Somerset planning website this evening and so far there are around one hundred objections and thirty-five supporters regarding the airport's application for a Certificate of Lawfulness for its proposed western apron walkway.
Given the well-organised anti-expansion lobby (according to The 'Gruniad' the best of its type in the country) it is not surprising that the antis come out in force. The StopBristolAirportExpansion (SBAE) people have laid out a 'template' on their website for objectors to follow.
The silent majority in favour of BRS expansion (as shown by local newspaper and local television polls) always remain, well.......silent. They only become vocal when they want to fly direct to Outer Mongolia from Bristol and find they can't.
The SBAE people are worried that North Somerset Council will issue the certificate (an about-turn, having already deemed the proposal not permitted development) because the airport would mount a legal challenge if the local authority refused it which could be costly for council tax payers.
easyJet Summer 2009
I had a wade through their summer 09 timetable and their booking engine this evening and the schedule is not much different from summer 08 so far as I can tell.
The problem with easyJet's web timetable is that it does not always agree with the web booking engine. I've already spotted some discrepancies between the two for next summer.
Broadly speaking it seems the Warsaw* flight will not be back although it is shown in the summer 09 timetable (a 'not available after March 09' box appears when trying a test booking for summer 09, although I believe the WAW is actually finishing this month) and the BFS seems to be 2 x daily instead of the 'historical' 3 and the CDG is also reduced to daily from (I think) 10 x weekly last summer.
* easyJet only have BRS and LTN as WAW destinations in their booking engine and LTN is also shown as not available for booking after next March, so it may be that these routes have not yet been loaded.
Last summer's new routes to Olbia and Biarritz will return, and Lisbon is also back having been dropped for this winter.
Beyond that, there is minor tinkering to one or route frequencies compared to summer 08.
I would add the caveat that this winter's published timetable has been reduced in some areas so I suppose the same could happen with next summer's published timetable if the economy does not pick up.
I checked the North Somerset planning website this evening and so far there are around one hundred objections and thirty-five supporters regarding the airport's application for a Certificate of Lawfulness for its proposed western apron walkway.
Given the well-organised anti-expansion lobby (according to The 'Gruniad' the best of its type in the country) it is not surprising that the antis come out in force. The StopBristolAirportExpansion (SBAE) people have laid out a 'template' on their website for objectors to follow.
The silent majority in favour of BRS expansion (as shown by local newspaper and local television polls) always remain, well.......silent. They only become vocal when they want to fly direct to Outer Mongolia from Bristol and find they can't.
The SBAE people are worried that North Somerset Council will issue the certificate (an about-turn, having already deemed the proposal not permitted development) because the airport would mount a legal challenge if the local authority refused it which could be costly for council tax payers.
easyJet Summer 2009
Easyjet have released their flights for summer 09.....seems less the usual!
The problem with easyJet's web timetable is that it does not always agree with the web booking engine. I've already spotted some discrepancies between the two for next summer.
Broadly speaking it seems the Warsaw* flight will not be back although it is shown in the summer 09 timetable (a 'not available after March 09' box appears when trying a test booking for summer 09, although I believe the WAW is actually finishing this month) and the BFS seems to be 2 x daily instead of the 'historical' 3 and the CDG is also reduced to daily from (I think) 10 x weekly last summer.
* easyJet only have BRS and LTN as WAW destinations in their booking engine and LTN is also shown as not available for booking after next March, so it may be that these routes have not yet been loaded.
Last summer's new routes to Olbia and Biarritz will return, and Lisbon is also back having been dropped for this winter.
Beyond that, there is minor tinkering to one or route frequencies compared to summer 08.
I would add the caveat that this winter's published timetable has been reduced in some areas so I suppose the same could happen with next summer's published timetable if the economy does not pick up.
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For those of you wishing to show support, but unsure how, it takes about a minute to complete the online form CLICK HERE
Alternatively you can write to your local councillor CLICK HERE
Even if you are from Outer Mongolia and unable to fly into Bristol you can still show support....SBAE have people in Oz!
This comment is a good example of the mentallity of what BRS is up against! CLICK HERE
Alternatively you can write to your local councillor CLICK HERE
Even if you are from Outer Mongolia and unable to fly into Bristol you can still show support....SBAE have people in Oz!
This comment is a good example of the mentallity of what BRS is up against! CLICK HERE
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"ps i dont live in bristol".....................Mr Moreland you are a MORON!
Nice to see a Thomson(not fca )763 in last night from HER bringing TUI agents back from confrence and going out to BGI this morning.
Nice to see a Thomson(not fca )763 in last night from HER bringing TUI agents back from confrence and going out to BGI this morning.
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I echo the above post and encourage anyone who has not yet signed, to go and show SUPPORT for the LAWFUL development work. I got the below letter from the council in response- looks like the public meeting is next week:
Application No. 08/P/2149/LDP
Description Certificate of Lawfulness for the proposed erection of a two storey building to provide a covered walkway
Location: Bristol International Airport, North Side Road, Wrington, Somerset, BS48 3DY
Thank you for your letter, which has been received and is acknowledged. Under the Access to Information legislation all correspondence received is placed on the relevant file as a public document.
The above application is to be considered by the South Area Committee on 12 November 2008. The meeting commences at 6.00 p.m.
The Room Number will be displayed in the Town Hall foyer on the day of the meeting. The Committee report will be available for inspection at Development & Environment Reception five working days prior to the meeting and on our website North Somerset Council - Council tax, planning, leisure, highways ...
Objectors to, and supporters of, planning applications may address the Committee. The number of speakers and the time permitted for speaking is limited and I have attached a set of notes to explain the procedure for applications. Please note requests to speak at Committee must be received in writing by noon the day prior to the Committee meeting. For further information please contact the Council’s Democratic Services team – (contact details as shown on the accompanying notes which explain the procedure.)
A notification of the decision will be sent within a week (unless deferred). If you wish to know the decision earlier, please telephone the Case Officer, as shown above, after 10.30 am on the day following the meeting.
Application No. 08/P/2149/LDP
Description Certificate of Lawfulness for the proposed erection of a two storey building to provide a covered walkway
Location: Bristol International Airport, North Side Road, Wrington, Somerset, BS48 3DY
Thank you for your letter, which has been received and is acknowledged. Under the Access to Information legislation all correspondence received is placed on the relevant file as a public document.
The above application is to be considered by the South Area Committee on 12 November 2008. The meeting commences at 6.00 p.m.
The Room Number will be displayed in the Town Hall foyer on the day of the meeting. The Committee report will be available for inspection at Development & Environment Reception five working days prior to the meeting and on our website North Somerset Council - Council tax, planning, leisure, highways ...
Objectors to, and supporters of, planning applications may address the Committee. The number of speakers and the time permitted for speaking is limited and I have attached a set of notes to explain the procedure for applications. Please note requests to speak at Committee must be received in writing by noon the day prior to the Committee meeting. For further information please contact the Council’s Democratic Services team – (contact details as shown on the accompanying notes which explain the procedure.)
A notification of the decision will be sent within a week (unless deferred). If you wish to know the decision earlier, please telephone the Case Officer, as shown above, after 10.30 am on the day following the meeting.
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There's a bus going from the airport to the council meeting next Wednesday laid on by the airport management in order to present the councillors with an alternative point of view 
. Employees who are free from work commitments are being encouraged to go along (in uniform if need be) and show support as the SBAE likely to be out in force as well. Everybody who has an active or passive positive interest in the airport's future should seriously consider turning up otherwise this will drag on and on to the detriment of the airport and those employed by it and the economy of the whole region.
And for crying out loud it's only a blinking walkway...!
. Employees who are free from work commitments are being encouraged to go along (in uniform if need be) and show support as the SBAE likely to be out in force as well. Everybody who has an active or passive positive interest in the airport's future should seriously consider turning up otherwise this will drag on and on to the detriment of the airport and those employed by it and the economy of the whole region.And for crying out loud it's only a blinking walkway...!
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Walkway hearing
Due to a number of supporters expressing a preference to make their own way to the Town Hall on Wednesday, the bus has been cancelled. However free transport will still be available to supporters who are at the reception area in the Administration Building by 1645 on Wednesday. The airport will provide either car share opportunities or a taxi to ensure supporters can attend the hearing.
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Insufficient Charter Capacity
Bristol Evening Post carried an article today regarding the BRS management's concern that they are unable to cater for demand since the collapse of XL.
What is described as an 'emergency delegation' of senior airport staff and South West Independent Federation of Travel Agents represenatives will visit the World Travel Market in London next week to try to secure extra flights.
An airport spokesman said that people wishing to fly from Bristol to some popular holiday destinations were unable to do so because not enough seats were available. TFS, CFU, SSH, LCA and ACE were specifically mentioned as having insufficient capacity.
The spokesman added that although the collapse of XL has lost BRS only one destination (Hurghada) the loss of their 14 summer and 7 winter weekly rotations is what is causing the real difficulties.
So far as SSH is concerned, Jet2 is already covering the breach left by XL this winter, and there are two weekly TOM flights to that Egyptian resort as well. Presumably they are looking to next summer having regard to the fact that last summer saw four weekly flights to SSH, two of them by XL.
New CEO
Is anyone aware of any public utterances by the new CEO, Robert Sinclair, who started work last month?
When Paul Kehoe started there were major local television and local newspaper interviews concerning his vision of the future and other matters appertaining to the airport.
Unless I have missed something, there has been nothing of this nature from Mr Sinclair other than his CV published in the local news media when his appointment was announced two or three months ago.
Bristol Evening Post carried an article today regarding the BRS management's concern that they are unable to cater for demand since the collapse of XL.
What is described as an 'emergency delegation' of senior airport staff and South West Independent Federation of Travel Agents represenatives will visit the World Travel Market in London next week to try to secure extra flights.
An airport spokesman said that people wishing to fly from Bristol to some popular holiday destinations were unable to do so because not enough seats were available. TFS, CFU, SSH, LCA and ACE were specifically mentioned as having insufficient capacity.
The spokesman added that although the collapse of XL has lost BRS only one destination (Hurghada) the loss of their 14 summer and 7 winter weekly rotations is what is causing the real difficulties.
So far as SSH is concerned, Jet2 is already covering the breach left by XL this winter, and there are two weekly TOM flights to that Egyptian resort as well. Presumably they are looking to next summer having regard to the fact that last summer saw four weekly flights to SSH, two of them by XL.
New CEO
Is anyone aware of any public utterances by the new CEO, Robert Sinclair, who started work last month?
When Paul Kehoe started there were major local television and local newspaper interviews concerning his vision of the future and other matters appertaining to the airport.
Unless I have missed something, there has been nothing of this nature from Mr Sinclair other than his CV published in the local news media when his appointment was announced two or three months ago.
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North Somerset Council finally backed the development, voting 4-3 in favour. Glad its gone through but I'm becoming increasingly disillusioned and cynical about the democratic planning process in this country given the number of frighteningly misinformed 'statements of fact' quoted against the proposed plan and ensuing debate! Fundamentally people clearly did not understand exactly what the airport is proposing to build and there were several mini-debates on what walkways and piers comprised of and whether they constituted an expansion of capacity. This went on for sometime before a councillor in favour of the development pointed out that if the walkway was vetoed, the airport were just going to go out and buy more busses! Councillors and other political appointees with this sort of power need to listen more to their professional advisors (i.e. lawyers and surveyors) and less to emotional-charged and deluded 'representatives' anxious to push an agenda that is either not relevant or incompletely briefed.
It worries me that if this is the sort of palaver the airport needs to go through just to get a walkway built, what sort of battle will it have to fight before the recently proposed master plans are accepted?
Sorry, rant off now!
This went on for sometime before a councillor in favour of the development pointed out that if the walkway was vetoed, the airport were just going to go out and buy more busses! Councillors and other political appointees with this sort of power need to listen more to their professional advisors (i.e. lawyers and surveyors) and less to emotional-charged and deluded 'representatives' anxious to push an agenda that is either not relevant or incompletely briefed.It worries me that if this is the sort of palaver the airport needs to go through just to get a walkway built, what sort of battle will it have to fight before the recently proposed master plans are accepted?
Sorry, rant off now!
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I'm glad for the sake of the poor old North Somerset Council tax payer (although I don't live in that unitary authority's area) that their South Area Planning Committee has belatedly recognised that the council’s earlier decision to reject the airport’s application to build the walkway as General Permitted Development was seriously flawed.
Even the council’s own professional advisers had told it that the walkway would be GPD. In now granting the Certificate of Lawfulness for the structure North Somerset councillors have taken on board that the airport would almost certainly have mounted a legal challenge to a refusal that, in the view of many experts, would have succeeded, at no little expense to council tax payers.
It's also very pleasing that the anti-expansionists no longer have the game all to themselves. North Somerset Council received dozens of expressions of support for the proposal, due in no small part to BISON (Bristol International Supporters Online), an organisation that is growing almost daily in numbers and becoming a local voice to combat the myths put about by SBAE and its fellow travellers.
The expansion planning applications, when submitted, will of course generate a massive amount of heat and misinformation on the part of opponents, and the airport will need to show support outnumbers opposition. The work of a group like BISON will be vital.
I commend and thank Daniel (an occasional poster to PPRuNe) and Simon for their untiring work in organising a much needed focus group to counter the 'antis'.
mikelima1948, you must be delighted. Congratulations to the airport and thank goodness that common sense prevailed.
Even the council’s own professional advisers had told it that the walkway would be GPD. In now granting the Certificate of Lawfulness for the structure North Somerset councillors have taken on board that the airport would almost certainly have mounted a legal challenge to a refusal that, in the view of many experts, would have succeeded, at no little expense to council tax payers.
It's also very pleasing that the anti-expansionists no longer have the game all to themselves. North Somerset Council received dozens of expressions of support for the proposal, due in no small part to BISON (Bristol International Supporters Online), an organisation that is growing almost daily in numbers and becoming a local voice to combat the myths put about by SBAE and its fellow travellers.
The expansion planning applications, when submitted, will of course generate a massive amount of heat and misinformation on the part of opponents, and the airport will need to show support outnumbers opposition. The work of a group like BISON will be vital.
I commend and thank Daniel (an occasional poster to PPRuNe) and Simon for their untiring work in organising a much needed focus group to counter the 'antis'.
mikelima1948, you must be delighted. Congratulations to the airport and thank goodness that common sense prevailed.
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Thanks M V. the airport and BISON were out in force at the Town Hall last night and where I was sitting, greatly outnumbered the protesters.
A great result for the airport, it was good to see democracy in action!
A great result for the airport, it was good to see democracy in action!
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Must admit, I prolly wouldn't have written to North Somerset on this matter until I saw an article in the Wells Journal a few weeks ago from one of the SBAE loolaa's, who was banging on about how the airport's new walkway would ruin our quality of life south of the Mendips, but it angered me so much that into print I went.
The happy news that the airport gets it's walkway is made all the better when I think that I won't have to look at it every day when I go to work.
Hooray!
mikelima - you should drop in for a cuppa and see our luxurious new rest room. Choccie bars are on me.
The happy news that the airport gets it's walkway is made all the better when I think that I won't have to look at it every day when I go to work.
Hooray!
mikelima - you should drop in for a cuppa and see our luxurious new rest room. Choccie bars are on me.