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Not again!!!
I see that the BEP is running an article regarding the 'possible' developement of dear old Filton International airport on their web page.
You can see the muppets at "sadly broke" running around like headless chickens again complaining about noise issues and climate change.
Whilst booking their cheap flight to Spain from Lulsgate Bottom
Suprisingly no comment on the web page from well known poster
You can see the muppets at "sadly broke" running around like headless chickens again complaining about noise issues and climate change.
Whilst booking their cheap flight to Spain from Lulsgate Bottom
Suprisingly no comment on the web page from well known poster
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Originally Posted by Bristol Based Taffy
I see that the BEP is running an article regarding the 'possible' developement of dear old Filton International airport on their web page.
After all, I (and others of my acquaintance) have long referred to it as the Bristol Evening Fascist
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Lulsgate or Filton?
The Bristol Evening Post ceased to have any ‘feel’ for its community when ownership moved from local control to the Northcliffe Newspaper Group some years ago.
It seems to rely a lot on press hand-outs from organisations with a local connection, but then I imagine so do many regional newspapers.
The re-hash of the Filton story seems to have a occurred on a slow news day when a local planning consultant, a marvellous title for people of varying skills and knowledge, told the newspaper that the Regional Spatial Strategy (something drummed up by two unelected ‘quangos’, the South West Regional Development Agency and the South West Regional Assembly) opens the door for a second airport for Bristol at Filton. The government though still seems distinctly unimpressed.
Incidentally, the good old BEP/'BNP' keep perpetuating the myth that FZO has one of the longest runways in the country and it was rolled out again in the current hack’s piece. At 91 metres (299 feet) it might be one of the widest but its 2,460-odd metres certainly don't make it one of the longest, but significantly longer than BRS for all that.
Bae tried to turn Filton into a city airport in the 1990s but the idea was kicked out of court by the relevant government minister of the day, one Selwyn Gummer no less, after a public enquiry.
Always assuming the airport operator (Bristol City Council for much of the second half of the last century) could have established a working accommodation with the owner, then even without the benefit of hindsight it is as obvious as anything can be that Filton should have been chosen over Lulsgate when Whitchurch was deemed too small for requirements in the 1950s.
Foresight was never the hallmark of Bristol City councillors of the 20th Century, or of the 21st for that matter.
There is surely no requirement for Bristol to have two airports. It’s just a pity the one that it has got is in the wrong place when a much better and bigger site was always sitting there across the city.
It’s now too late to seriously think of Filton – part of the site is being sold for non-aviation development and there are now many thousands of residents living in the immediate vicinity.
It seems to rely a lot on press hand-outs from organisations with a local connection, but then I imagine so do many regional newspapers.
The re-hash of the Filton story seems to have a occurred on a slow news day when a local planning consultant, a marvellous title for people of varying skills and knowledge, told the newspaper that the Regional Spatial Strategy (something drummed up by two unelected ‘quangos’, the South West Regional Development Agency and the South West Regional Assembly) opens the door for a second airport for Bristol at Filton. The government though still seems distinctly unimpressed.
Incidentally, the good old BEP/'BNP' keep perpetuating the myth that FZO has one of the longest runways in the country and it was rolled out again in the current hack’s piece. At 91 metres (299 feet) it might be one of the widest but its 2,460-odd metres certainly don't make it one of the longest, but significantly longer than BRS for all that.
Bae tried to turn Filton into a city airport in the 1990s but the idea was kicked out of court by the relevant government minister of the day, one Selwyn Gummer no less, after a public enquiry.
Always assuming the airport operator (Bristol City Council for much of the second half of the last century) could have established a working accommodation with the owner, then even without the benefit of hindsight it is as obvious as anything can be that Filton should have been chosen over Lulsgate when Whitchurch was deemed too small for requirements in the 1950s.
Foresight was never the hallmark of Bristol City councillors of the 20th Century, or of the 21st for that matter.
There is surely no requirement for Bristol to have two airports. It’s just a pity the one that it has got is in the wrong place when a much better and bigger site was always sitting there across the city.
It’s now too late to seriously think of Filton – part of the site is being sold for non-aviation development and there are now many thousands of residents living in the immediate vicinity.
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Lulsgate v Filton
Thanks again to the ever knowing M.V. for filling in the gaps.
Hey maybe you should offer your services to BEP, at least they'd get the facts straight...........ooopppsss sorry they need to sell papers
Yes the constant quip about Filtons measly 2,460m runway as one of the longest in the U.K. always makes me smile.
Do you think they are getting the two F's mixed up???
Fairford v Filton
Not sure of actual length at Fairford but certainly longer than Filtons
Or are they looking at it sideways which would then make it the longest runway in the U.K. at 299 FEET
Hey maybe you should offer your services to BEP, at least they'd get the facts straight...........ooopppsss sorry they need to sell papers
Yes the constant quip about Filtons measly 2,460m runway as one of the longest in the U.K. always makes me smile.
Do you think they are getting the two F's mixed up???
Fairford v Filton
Not sure of actual length at Fairford but certainly longer than Filtons
Or are they looking at it sideways which would then make it the longest runway in the U.K. at 299 FEET
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Very Important BRS Update
Local brews at new Bristol Airport bar
14.10.08
Bristol Airport is to begin serving local beers and ciders at its new bar. A partnership between the airport, SSP UK and Butcombe Brewery will see the recently rebranded Zero9 bar serve drinks including Butcombe Bitter, Cold-Filtered Blond and Ashton Press Cider.
The airport's new bar is located on the mezzanine level overlooking the departure lounge with views over the airfield. The change is part of the airport's 'sense of place' initiative, which encourages the use of services from local suppliers to showcase the best of south-west England to visitors.
Nagesh Shikram, SSP UK bar manager at Bristol Airport, said: 'Being able to enjoy a pint of Butcombe while relaxing before a flight is another point of difference for Bristol International compared to airports outside the region.'
Guy Newell, managing director of Butcombe Brewery, added: 'Having our beer and cider stocked at the airport is a great opportunity to win new converts, as well as meaning loyal customers can enjoy their favourite pint each time they fly.'
14.10.08
Bristol Airport is to begin serving local beers and ciders at its new bar. A partnership between the airport, SSP UK and Butcombe Brewery will see the recently rebranded Zero9 bar serve drinks including Butcombe Bitter, Cold-Filtered Blond and Ashton Press Cider.
The airport's new bar is located on the mezzanine level overlooking the departure lounge with views over the airfield. The change is part of the airport's 'sense of place' initiative, which encourages the use of services from local suppliers to showcase the best of south-west England to visitors.
Nagesh Shikram, SSP UK bar manager at Bristol Airport, said: 'Being able to enjoy a pint of Butcombe while relaxing before a flight is another point of difference for Bristol International compared to airports outside the region.'
Guy Newell, managing director of Butcombe Brewery, added: 'Having our beer and cider stocked at the airport is a great opportunity to win new converts, as well as meaning loyal customers can enjoy their favourite pint each time they fly.'
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Bristol based Taffy ;
Filton despite having a nice wide and long runway, are restricted due to the old Brabazon hangar infringing the trasitional surface, this restricts the type of aircraft, Carrying fare paying Pax under the CAA regulations.
No doubt some authority on PPRUNE will correct me if I'm wrong
Filton despite having a nice wide and long runway, are restricted due to the old Brabazon hangar infringing the trasitional surface, this restricts the type of aircraft, Carrying fare paying Pax under the CAA regulations.
No doubt some authority on PPRUNE will correct me if I'm wrong
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Just asking again if there have been any new developments about the walkway? Was also wondering if there is also news on Ryanair bringing in more aircraft and routes in Feb 2009?
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Ryanair
HEADWAY
The April, May & June flights have been released for sale and as with
BHX & EMA there are a few clues in the flight schedules.
Sunday is a good day to check and indeed Bristol has three early morning departures which I believe is one more than at present. I am not sure if aircraft three has been announced and I am guilty of not checking the search engine but it is 23.52.
Most days there is currently work for two aircraft but Sunday is
showing: -
0730 GRO
0630 BZR
0640 OPO
Unless say GRO changes to a GRO based aircraft then Bristol will
have three based units with more routes announced in the next
month or so.
Pete
The April, May & June flights have been released for sale and as with
BHX & EMA there are a few clues in the flight schedules.
Sunday is a good day to check and indeed Bristol has three early morning departures which I believe is one more than at present. I am not sure if aircraft three has been announced and I am guilty of not checking the search engine but it is 23.52
.Most days there is currently work for two aircraft but Sunday is
showing: -
0730 GRO
0630 BZR
0640 OPO
Unless say GRO changes to a GRO based aircraft then Bristol will
have three based units with more routes announced in the next
month or so.
Pete
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This is an interesting article in the BEP on the walkway.... CLICK HERE
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Walkway.....
This bit was interesting !
"Bosses at Bristol International Airport are pressing ahead with plans to build a controversial covered walkway from the terminal to the runway."
"Bosses at Bristol International Airport are pressing ahead with plans to build a controversial covered walkway from the terminal to the runway."
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Walkway
A new concept perhaps - bus stop-like structures all along the side of the runway. Brings a whole new meaning to Airbus. In reality, it's just the latest example of sloppy reporting on the part of the Evening Post.
It's good to see the airport is calling the bluff of the North Somerset Council planners. The councillors' decision to reject the walkway as permitted development flies in the face of the opinion of their own professional advisers.
The crazy thing is that a major regional facility is at the mercy of a group of councillors with a parochial and provincial mindset from one of the smallest local authorities in the South West.
If this epsode finishes in court I would love to see the councillors who made the decision be made liable for costs personally if it is decided their actions were unreasonable. As the airport spokesman points out, the council gave permission for a walkway to the eastern apron as permitted development, albeit this is single-storey.
The anti-expansionist lot try to give the impression they speak for the majority of local people. They don't and still less for those in the wider region (newspaper and television polls have indicated a significant majority of people in favour of airport expansion at Bristol - it usually comes out around 70% of those who take part).
As for Ryanair, there have been persistent rumours that a walkway to the western apron is an essential ingredient of their expansion at BRS - that and giveaway airport charges, probably.
Incidentally, doesn't the new CEO start work today? It will be interesting to hear his public pronouncements on the future. Paul Kehoe was quick off the mark with his views when he started. Pity he didn't stay around to put them into practice.
It's good to see the airport is calling the bluff of the North Somerset Council planners. The councillors' decision to reject the walkway as permitted development flies in the face of the opinion of their own professional advisers.
The crazy thing is that a major regional facility is at the mercy of a group of councillors with a parochial and provincial mindset from one of the smallest local authorities in the South West.
If this epsode finishes in court I would love to see the councillors who made the decision be made liable for costs personally if it is decided their actions were unreasonable. As the airport spokesman points out, the council gave permission for a walkway to the eastern apron as permitted development, albeit this is single-storey.
The anti-expansionist lot try to give the impression they speak for the majority of local people. They don't and still less for those in the wider region (newspaper and television polls have indicated a significant majority of people in favour of airport expansion at Bristol - it usually comes out around 70% of those who take part).
As for Ryanair, there have been persistent rumours that a walkway to the western apron is an essential ingredient of their expansion at BRS - that and giveaway airport charges, probably.
Incidentally, doesn't the new CEO start work today? It will be interesting to hear his public pronouncements on the future. Paul Kehoe was quick off the mark with his views when he started. Pity he didn't stay around to put them into practice.
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Planning application costs
This should get them thinking!!
Hope they have got deep pockets!!
An unprecedented decision means council tax payers in Hertfordshire will have to foot part of a £1m bill after Herts County Council was found to have acted ‘unreasonably’ while opposing the Stansted Airport expansion.
After hearing six months of evidence at a public inquiry last year, planning inspector Alan Boyland concluded that the inadequacies of the case presented by Uttlesford district and Herts county councils mean they should pay part of BAA's costs, estimated at more than £1m. Along with Essex, the councils spent £430,000 presenting their case.
Mr Boyland's recommendation that expansion from a maximum of 25m to 35m passengers a year should be allowed, in accordance with 2003's Air Transport White Paper, was endorsed by the Government last week - as was his finding that the councils' flawed arguments put the airport to some unnecessary expense when it appealed against refusal of planning permission.
The rarity of the ruling - believed to be a first - is emphasised in a letter from the Department for Communities and Local Government to both councils, which reads: ‘In planning appeals both parties are normally expected to meet their own expenses and costs are only awarded on grounds of 'unreasonable behaviour' resulting in unnecessary expense.'
‘The Secretary of State [Hazel Blears] agrees with the inspector and accepts his recommendations. Accordingly she has decided that an award of partial costs against Uttlesford District Council and Herts County Council on the grounds of unreasonable behaviour is justified.’
Hope they have got deep pockets!!
An unprecedented decision means council tax payers in Hertfordshire will have to foot part of a £1m bill after Herts County Council was found to have acted ‘unreasonably’ while opposing the Stansted Airport expansion.
After hearing six months of evidence at a public inquiry last year, planning inspector Alan Boyland concluded that the inadequacies of the case presented by Uttlesford district and Herts county councils mean they should pay part of BAA's costs, estimated at more than £1m. Along with Essex, the councils spent £430,000 presenting their case.
Mr Boyland's recommendation that expansion from a maximum of 25m to 35m passengers a year should be allowed, in accordance with 2003's Air Transport White Paper, was endorsed by the Government last week - as was his finding that the councils' flawed arguments put the airport to some unnecessary expense when it appealed against refusal of planning permission.
The rarity of the ruling - believed to be a first - is emphasised in a letter from the Department for Communities and Local Government to both councils, which reads: ‘In planning appeals both parties are normally expected to meet their own expenses and costs are only awarded on grounds of 'unreasonable behaviour' resulting in unnecessary expense.'
‘The Secretary of State [Hazel Blears] agrees with the inspector and accepts his recommendations. Accordingly she has decided that an award of partial costs against Uttlesford District Council and Herts County Council on the grounds of unreasonable behaviour is justified.’
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It's just a pity councillors can't be made to pay from their own pockets when they make perverse decisions.
Back to Ryanair, a look at next week's web Mayfly (on the BRS apron website) makes intriguing reading.
Daily FR flights are shown to ALC, AGP, MJV, FAO and ORK.
If they operate they will have no fare-paying passengers because these destinations don't appear on the FR website or on their booking engine from BRS.
These destinations, along with the established routes that will operate, call for 3 based aircraft.
Could it be that FR originally planned these routes for this winter and through some sort of admin c*ck-up they still found their way into Mayfly? If so, it would mark a battle royal with easyJet.
I can't think that Mayfly would just make them up for fun.
Back to Ryanair, a look at next week's web Mayfly (on the BRS apron website) makes intriguing reading.
Daily FR flights are shown to ALC, AGP, MJV, FAO and ORK.
If they operate they will have no fare-paying passengers because these destinations don't appear on the FR website or on their booking engine from BRS.
These destinations, along with the established routes that will operate, call for 3 based aircraft.
Could it be that FR originally planned these routes for this winter and through some sort of admin c*ck-up they still found their way into Mayfly? If so, it would mark a battle royal with easyJet.
I can't think that Mayfly would just make them up for fun.
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Olten Pete, BRS-GRO is currently operated by GRO based a/c, so the plot thickens, I cant imagine FR would night stop crews, way too much expense in that, so maybe it is a 3rd BRS A/C, fingers crossed.
Nice to see Jet2 in BRS last night, always good to see something diffrent, CO went 21 hrs tech yesterday, due out at 7am this morning.
These local councellers and anti expansion group are a bunch of complete planks! This walkway would take out any real need for buses to the W apron meaning reduced emissions, as the BRS spokes person says, its a complete own goal if they continue to say no to it. Lets hope the courts have some sense, and follow the example of the courts in Herts(STN) make them pay for being such berks!
BEP - walkway to the runway, ha ha thats absolute comedy, cuh you wait for 1 airbus and 3 come along at once!!
By the way, I was talking to a passanger last week who lives next to Felton Common, I asked her what her thoughts on the expansion of BRS were, she said the airport was there before her, the noise doesnt bother her or her neighbours and they love the fact they can walk from there front door and 3 hours later walk off in Spain, now thats quite a boast ha ha
Nice to see Jet2 in BRS last night, always good to see something diffrent, CO went 21 hrs tech yesterday, due out at 7am this morning.
These local councellers and anti expansion group are a bunch of complete planks! This walkway would take out any real need for buses to the W apron meaning reduced emissions, as the BRS spokes person says, its a complete own goal if they continue to say no to it. Lets hope the courts have some sense, and follow the example of the courts in Herts(STN) make them pay for being such berks!
BEP - walkway to the runway, ha ha thats absolute comedy, cuh you wait for 1 airbus and 3 come along at once!!
By the way, I was talking to a passanger last week who lives next to Felton Common, I asked her what her thoughts on the expansion of BRS were, she said the airport was there before her, the noise doesnt bother her or her neighbours and they love the fact they can walk from there front door and 3 hours later walk off in Spain, now thats quite a boast ha ha
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Proposed terminal expansion
Thanks for the link BS
Must admit they look very impressive, and would certainly give the region an improved airport and provide a first class advert for Bristol as a forward thinking city.
Shame I've a feeling the local tree huggers, and potty councilors will deem it a total waste of time & money, prefering to suggest spending it on Royal Portbury Docks as this produces so little carbon emissions....and it has wind turbines!!!!
Rant over
Must admit they look very impressive, and would certainly give the region an improved airport and provide a first class advert for Bristol as a forward thinking city.
Shame I've a feeling the local tree huggers, and potty councilors will deem it a total waste of time & money, prefering to suggest spending it on Royal Portbury Docks as this produces so little carbon emissions....and it has wind turbines!!!!
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Ha ha! Sad but true!
It is worth anyone that cares about BRS expansion to sign up to a support site. They will get the latest info to act on.
These are three I know about (Click on links):
BIA Official site
Facebook Group
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It is worth anyone that cares about BRS expansion to sign up to a support site. They will get the latest info to act on.
These are three I know about (Click on links):
BIA Official site
Facebook Group
BISON
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Proposed terminal expansion
Pretty pictures but a bit light on detail because they say detailed plans are still being worked up.
Seems the master plan proposals which were published following the 'wide-ranging consultation' of the draft master plan may have been altered again.
There is now no mention of a hotel or multi-storey car parks for instance but as I said the narrative that accompanies the pictures is generalised.
What does seem clear is that there will be a further significant delay before any planning applications are submitted. The airport is now saying that when detailed plans are drawn up they will consult again before submitting them to the planning authorities, so in other words the airport seems to have gone back to the drawing board and will publish in effect a new draft master plan to be commented on.
The original master plan time scale talked about planning submissions in the spring of 2006. This slipped and slipped again for various reasons but the airport had hinted strongly they would be submitted late this year.
It now looks as though we shall be well into 2009 before the plans are submitted to the local authority.
Factor in a likely public enquiry and it is difficult to see that, if they are finally approved, any construction can begin until late 2010/2011 at the earliest.
The anticipated reduction in passenger numbers this winter and possibly next summer will give some breathing space but if the economy picks up over the next two or three years we could see 7-8 mppa before any work commences.
Now that would give the airport senior management a major headache at peak times in terms of overcrowding in the departure areas.
However, if this is what it takes, and I have no doubt it is, to develop the airport into a facility that will take the Bristol region forward well into the 21st Century in the face of a pack of objectors with their own agendas then everyone - airport, airlines, staff and passengers - may have to bear some short term pain in trying to squeeze a quart into a pint pot.
Seems the master plan proposals which were published following the 'wide-ranging consultation' of the draft master plan may have been altered again.
There is now no mention of a hotel or multi-storey car parks for instance but as I said the narrative that accompanies the pictures is generalised.
What does seem clear is that there will be a further significant delay before any planning applications are submitted. The airport is now saying that when detailed plans are drawn up they will consult again before submitting them to the planning authorities, so in other words the airport seems to have gone back to the drawing board and will publish in effect a new draft master plan to be commented on.
The original master plan time scale talked about planning submissions in the spring of 2006. This slipped and slipped again for various reasons but the airport had hinted strongly they would be submitted late this year.
It now looks as though we shall be well into 2009 before the plans are submitted to the local authority.
Factor in a likely public enquiry and it is difficult to see that, if they are finally approved, any construction can begin until late 2010/2011 at the earliest.
The anticipated reduction in passenger numbers this winter and possibly next summer will give some breathing space but if the economy picks up over the next two or three years we could see 7-8 mppa before any work commences.
Now that would give the airport senior management a major headache at peak times in terms of overcrowding in the departure areas.
However, if this is what it takes, and I have no doubt it is, to develop the airport into a facility that will take the Bristol region forward well into the 21st Century in the face of a pack of objectors with their own agendas then everyone - airport, airlines, staff and passengers - may have to bear some short term pain in trying to squeeze a quart into a pint pot.