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With regard to the XL 737 parked at BRS, the aircraft has been 'secured' in such a way as to not actually touch or do anything to the aircraft but to prevent access due to payment issues. Its been heard that XL would currently owe the Ground Handling agency something in the region of £45,000 and that's nothing compared to whats been heard about how much is owed to the airport authority!!
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I was at the back of the airport this afternoon and noticed a hydraulic lift catering lorry was parked at the back of the aircraft. The rear door of the plane was open and although I coud not see any activity I presume that catering equipment belonging to the catering company was being removed.Further to this another site on pprune is stating that the aircraft is due fly to Lasham in the next couple of days.
I don't know if any of you can remember when Paramount airways went in to receivership,but I remember the late Les Wilson had ground vehicles parked in front of the aircraft. If I rememer correctly a couple of days later these were removed and the aircraft flew back to the leasing company without the outstanding bills being paid.
I don't know if any of you can remember when Paramount airways went in to receivership,but I remember the late Les Wilson had ground vehicles parked in front of the aircraft. If I rememer correctly a couple of days later these were removed and the aircraft flew back to the leasing company without the outstanding bills being paid.
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yes and a couple of foreign airlines were quite surprised to have their ex Paramount a/c being grounded at Bristol, by having a ' lean ' placed on them when they visited, only to be released after money owed by Paramount use was paid by the new operators, as a bankrupt airlines a/c carries its own individual debt where ever it goes.
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Situation must have been resolved in some way. The aircraft is no longer blocked in and is, from what I understand, free to leave for Lasham. Rumour has it the ground handling agents are refusing to push it off stand and the a/c is not permitted to 'power back' off stand (well, not yet anyway).
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Hostiegirl I have obviously worked with you in the Past at my little baby Flying Colours in BRS and then onto JMC. I am curious to your identity, so if you dont mind drop me a PM.
As you probaly recall with the TCX base closure in 2002 its not very pleasant at all however it will all come around again. But just when is the answer. All the very best to you in the future anyway.
As you probaly recall with the TCX base closure in 2002 its not very pleasant at all however it will all come around again. But just when is the answer. All the very best to you in the future anyway.
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I also heard that the xl aircraft was free to go this afternoon but the managers apparently told the ramp teams to block it or refuse to move in some way! apparently its because of the amount of money that is owedto servisair. i know it was still parked up on western apron when i past it at 10ish this morning and the door was all sealed with the tractors blocking it in....sad sight to see. Of course it had the 767 first choice outbound Sanford parked up beside it this morning as well.
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is anyone going to take over from XL, as there seems to be independent travel agencies and tour operators that utilised XL a/c, it would be a shame to let it go when the passengers are there to fill an additional Brs based a/c for some airline to step in.
Perhaps A Bristolian may have some views on this !!!!
Perhaps A Bristolian may have some views on this !!!!
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passengers are there to fill an additional Brs based a/c for some airline to step in.
yes most of them are from South Wales!- base any new airline at CWL and fill the seats from there,that would make a nice change!
yes most of them are from South Wales!- base any new airline at CWL and fill the seats from there,that would make a nice change!
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Welsh Bobby,
not the 'mines bigger than yours' Cwl/Brs argument coming up again !
Cardiff and bristol both had an XL a/c based unit a couple of years ago, however Bristol filled theirs and kept it, Cardiff did not so lost theirs ! So how come that if there is enough call for a Cwl based unit why is it not there now, and why did XL close their base for last summer 07 ?
The Brs-Cwl situation in the early eighties was reversed, with all the new operators heading over the bridge. But the city council put in place an excellent management and marketing team prior to the airport being sold some years later, where from its implementation the figures rose steadily each year.
Then when it was finally sold it went to a transport orientated company with the expertise to run and build on the already successful reputation, unlike Cwl which was sold to a couple of welsh pasty farmers from the valley's
not the 'mines bigger than yours' Cwl/Brs argument coming up again !
Cardiff and bristol both had an XL a/c based unit a couple of years ago, however Bristol filled theirs and kept it, Cardiff did not so lost theirs ! So how come that if there is enough call for a Cwl based unit why is it not there now, and why did XL close their base for last summer 07 ?
The Brs-Cwl situation in the early eighties was reversed, with all the new operators heading over the bridge. But the city council put in place an excellent management and marketing team prior to the airport being sold some years later, where from its implementation the figures rose steadily each year.
Then when it was finally sold it went to a transport orientated company with the expertise to run and build on the already successful reputation, unlike Cwl which was sold to a couple of welsh pasty farmers from the valley's
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I appologise if this is already known and has already been discussed but
I was wondering if there is one less based TOM aircraft next year in CWL?
I ask because from looking at the TOM summer timetable for both June and August next year it seems that BRS have more TOM flights per week than CWL.
If i am correct CWL have 3 TOM based aircraft this summer, where as BRS have 2 FCA 757 based aircraft (with a visiting 767) and this is reflected in the TOM online timetable.
But next year, as both TOM and FCA timetables are both in the new TOM timetable, and it seems that CWL only has 31 flights per week (62 if you count outbound and inbound) with no long haul with TOM.
BRS on the other hand has 74 flights per week including TOM Sanford and Cancun long haul flights (each one per week).
(This has all been taken off the TOM online timetable, looking at both a week in June and a week in August next year, as well as looking at the current timetable for the last month/this month)
So it seems....
CWL have 1 more flight per week to:
AGP, ALC, FNC, GRO, IBZ and KGS
where as...
BRS have 1 more flight per week to:
AYT, BIA, CUN, DLM, FUE, MAH, MIR, NAP, PMI, SFB, SKG and VRN
and both have the same number of flights to:
ACE,BJV,BOJ,CFU,EFL,FAO,HER,LCA,LPA,MLA,PFO,REU,RHO,SSH,TFS & ZTH
So what does the future look like with TOM in both CWL and BRS?
I was wondering if there is one less based TOM aircraft next year in CWL?
I ask because from looking at the TOM summer timetable for both June and August next year it seems that BRS have more TOM flights per week than CWL.
If i am correct CWL have 3 TOM based aircraft this summer, where as BRS have 2 FCA 757 based aircraft (with a visiting 767) and this is reflected in the TOM online timetable.
But next year, as both TOM and FCA timetables are both in the new TOM timetable, and it seems that CWL only has 31 flights per week (62 if you count outbound and inbound) with no long haul with TOM.
BRS on the other hand has 74 flights per week including TOM Sanford and Cancun long haul flights (each one per week).
(This has all been taken off the TOM online timetable, looking at both a week in June and a week in August next year, as well as looking at the current timetable for the last month/this month)
So it seems....
CWL have 1 more flight per week to:
AGP, ALC, FNC, GRO, IBZ and KGS
where as...
BRS have 1 more flight per week to:
AYT, BIA, CUN, DLM, FUE, MAH, MIR, NAP, PMI, SFB, SKG and VRN
and both have the same number of flights to:
ACE,BJV,BOJ,CFU,EFL,FAO,HER,LCA,LPA,MLA,PFO,REU,RHO,SSH,TFS & ZTH
So what does the future look like with TOM in both CWL and BRS?
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XL
The based XL B738 flew fifteen charter rotations a week from BRS this summer (during the previous 2-3 years there was an Air Malta A320 operating for the Group as well so the operation had already been scaled down a bit).
The destinations flown this summer by XL are listed below with the total number of charter rotations flown from BRS by all operators (incl XL) to the destinations in question shown in the figure on the right of each row .
Kefalonia 1 x weekly - 2
Corfu 1 x weekly - 5
Dalaman 1 x weekly - 5
Palma 2 x weekly - 11
Sharm el Sheikh 2 x weekly - 4
Larnaca 1 x weekly - 6
Tenerife South 1 x weekly - 3
Lanzarote 1 x weekly - 4
Crete 1 x weekly - 5
Rhodes 2 x weekly - 4
Kos 1 x weekly - 2
Zante 1 x weekly - 4
With the charter market at most airports in a gradual decline it might be that not every XL rotation will be picked up by someone else.
I'm not sure if XL had published its plans for BRS in summer 09 and, if so, how they compared with summer 2008.
The destinations flown this summer by XL are listed below with the total number of charter rotations flown from BRS by all operators (incl XL) to the destinations in question shown in the figure on the right of each row .
Kefalonia 1 x weekly - 2
Corfu 1 x weekly - 5
Dalaman 1 x weekly - 5
Palma 2 x weekly - 11
Sharm el Sheikh 2 x weekly - 4
Larnaca 1 x weekly - 6
Tenerife South 1 x weekly - 3
Lanzarote 1 x weekly - 4
Crete 1 x weekly - 5
Rhodes 2 x weekly - 4
Kos 1 x weekly - 2
Zante 1 x weekly - 4
With the charter market at most airports in a gradual decline it might be that not every XL rotation will be picked up by someone else.
I'm not sure if XL had published its plans for BRS in summer 09 and, if so, how they compared with summer 2008.
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2nd Globespan today ( Mon 22nd )
What was the second Globespan departure to Toronto (YHM) this morning, a 737 came in about an hour after the 757 departed, was this put on to catch some of the ex Zoom passengers from Cwl ?
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BRS v CWL
Crackling jets remarks on the 19th are spot on. Time to bury once and for all this BRS v CWL rivalry. As he stated in the late 1980,s early 1990,s BRS had the dynamic Les Wilson and team driving the business ever upwards. CWL was at that time rum by a consortium of three County Councils. It was management by committee in other words no decisions could be made without reference back to three sets of councils and we all know how inefficient that is.
However, with reference to the "pasty farmers from the valleys" they went to one of the west countries finest schools - Taunton. They must have have learned something there as they are now both multi milionaires and that was before their company TBI bought Cardiff Luton & Belfast International airports.
However, with reference to the "pasty farmers from the valleys" they went to one of the west countries finest schools - Taunton. They must have have learned something there as they are now both multi milionaires and that was before their company TBI bought Cardiff Luton & Belfast International airports.