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Headway, didnt mean anything by the 'if' comment, dont know why i put it really. However you are correct in saying it's gone very quiet about it all, c'mon BRS get on with it, what you waiting for?
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WATABENCH,
Re the extra four easyJet aircraft, this might be someone playing with figures in that at the height of last summer the airline had 12 based aircraft whereas at the moment the January schedule seems to need a maximum of eight. It may be that someone has heard that 12 will be operating again in August/early September.
If your 'informant' is suggesting that last summer's 12 will go up to 16, I can't see how that is remotely feasible in one go, especially in the light of the current severe economic slowdown. As you know, easyJet has for several years added one aircraft per year to its Bristol base.
There certainly have been rumours about Ryanair going up to four aircraft very soon with another two after the walkway is completed but how much substance there is in this I have no idea. It may be your source is the same as mine because the 3rd TCX aircraft also featured.
Currently, Ryanair is reducing its winter schedule from BRS with the Dinard axed and the Riga not bookable until the end of March (at least that was the case when I checked a few days ago).
As for frfly's comment, I have noted that their aircraft do park on the western apron on occasions, but he may be right in general terms in that FR may not want to make this too big a habit.
Finally, it would not be the greatest suprise in the world to me if FR did get back in bed with CWL. They seem to have a lot of aircraft to make use of and with TOM and WW stagnating at best at CWL, there could be some interesting opportunities for someone else and who is to say that MOL would not view the sun routes especially as tempting, provided he could get the right deal (for his company) from the airport?
Were that to happen it might impact on the BRS operation with expansion perhaps not as big as might otherwise have been the case. We ought to get a clue in the next few weeks, one or way or the other, if not sooner.
Re the extra four easyJet aircraft, this might be someone playing with figures in that at the height of last summer the airline had 12 based aircraft whereas at the moment the January schedule seems to need a maximum of eight. It may be that someone has heard that 12 will be operating again in August/early September.
If your 'informant' is suggesting that last summer's 12 will go up to 16, I can't see how that is remotely feasible in one go, especially in the light of the current severe economic slowdown. As you know, easyJet has for several years added one aircraft per year to its Bristol base.
There certainly have been rumours about Ryanair going up to four aircraft very soon with another two after the walkway is completed but how much substance there is in this I have no idea. It may be your source is the same as mine because the 3rd TCX aircraft also featured.
Currently, Ryanair is reducing its winter schedule from BRS with the Dinard axed and the Riga not bookable until the end of March (at least that was the case when I checked a few days ago).
As for frfly's comment, I have noted that their aircraft do park on the western apron on occasions, but he may be right in general terms in that FR may not want to make this too big a habit.
Finally, it would not be the greatest suprise in the world to me if FR did get back in bed with CWL. They seem to have a lot of aircraft to make use of and with TOM and WW stagnating at best at CWL, there could be some interesting opportunities for someone else and who is to say that MOL would not view the sun routes especially as tempting, provided he could get the right deal (for his company) from the airport?
Were that to happen it might impact on the BRS operation with expansion perhaps not as big as might otherwise have been the case. We ought to get a clue in the next few weeks, one or way or the other, if not sooner.
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I have not been in here much recently (understatement), however its encouraging to hear positive rumours about BRS on here and at work.
Light at the end of the tunnel one hopes.
Light at the end of the tunnel one hopes.
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santito,
Total passenger numbers for the first eleven months of 2008 are just under 3% down on the same period in 2007 (CAA stats).
November 2008 was up 4% on November 2007. December's figures should be published this week so it will be interesting to see whether this small monthly increase continues.
Of course, raw passenger figures alone don't tell us whether or not a route is profitable.
Total passenger numbers for the first eleven months of 2008 are just under 3% down on the same period in 2007 (CAA stats).
November 2008 was up 4% on November 2007. December's figures should be published this week so it will be interesting to see whether this small monthly increase continues.
Of course, raw passenger figures alone don't tell us whether or not a route is profitable.
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The provisional stats for November look glum.
October didn't do too badly, on about 7,500 pax (which is, I think, an average of about 55 pax per flight), but November is pretty horrid at a provisional number of 4,764. I'm sure December would have been difficult too.
I'm hoping it picks up in 2009. The fares are still in-line with the other LH UK routes, but generally LH prices up above AF/KL both on short and long-haul. IMHO the LH YQ doesn't help, but if they're getting the numbers they want across the business, I suppose you can't argue against it.
I see that LBA-FRA is being talked about. I'm fervently hoping that's a "new" route, and not a "re-routed" route....
October didn't do too badly, on about 7,500 pax (which is, I think, an average of about 55 pax per flight), but November is pretty horrid at a provisional number of 4,764. I'm sure December would have been difficult too.
I'm hoping it picks up in 2009. The fares are still in-line with the other LH UK routes, but generally LH prices up above AF/KL both on short and long-haul. IMHO the LH YQ doesn't help, but if they're getting the numbers they want across the business, I suppose you can't argue against it.
I see that LBA-FRA is being talked about. I'm fervently hoping that's a "new" route, and not a "re-routed" route....
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Be thankful for what you have got, 12 new routes in this economic climate is nothing short of amazing - up here at BHX after the initial FR base launch fanfare last year there isn't even a sniff of any new routes this summer and no sign of extra based a/c either......
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There may still be time as they do not have to make all of their announcements on the same day!
Here's hoping BHX is not forgotten and an announcement is due.
Paul
Here's hoping BHX is not forgotten and an announcement is due.
Paul
12 more Ryanair routes from BRS, how fantastic.
Last year they taxied onto the grass 3 times.
After a cowboy approach ended up on the grass in the overshoot and had a full evacuation.
Most recently, with a bird warning for the airfield, having hit said birds close to landing, attempted a Go Around at which point both engines not suprisingly said no thanks, the aircraft missed the runway initially but after a hard bounce, as luck would have it, ended up on the runway with the gear through the wing. Another evacuation followed.
Compare the lack of coverage of these events in the UK National press with BA making the headlines after an aircraft was hit by a bagagge trolly even though the aircraft never flew. Thrill seekers must be delighted with an extra 12 chances of defying death from BRS with the Irish Rodeo show.
Last year they taxied onto the grass 3 times.
After a cowboy approach ended up on the grass in the overshoot and had a full evacuation.
Most recently, with a bird warning for the airfield, having hit said birds close to landing, attempted a Go Around at which point both engines not suprisingly said no thanks, the aircraft missed the runway initially but after a hard bounce, as luck would have it, ended up on the runway with the gear through the wing. Another evacuation followed.
Compare the lack of coverage of these events in the UK National press with BA making the headlines after an aircraft was hit by a bagagge trolly even though the aircraft never flew. Thrill seekers must be delighted with an extra 12 chances of defying death from BRS with the Irish Rodeo show.
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Most recently, with a bird warning for the airfield, having hit said birds close to landing, attempted a Go Around at which point both engines not suprisingly said no thanks, the aircraft missed the runway initially but after a hard bounce, as luck would have it, ended up on the runway with the gear through the wing. Another evacuation followed.
the aircraft missed the runway
BUT after a hard bounce 
ended up on runway with gear through wing
.Well if it missed the runway the paddies would still be digging it out of the grass, and with the gear through the wing the local press would have had a field day (no pun intended)
I'm sure the regular contributors to this thread would have had something to say about this incident
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Jackitin;
Perhaps you should consider relocating your last post to the ,Safety, CRM, QA & Emergency Response Planning, Forums,
the only piece of your post relevant to the BRS forum, is the very welcome news of Ryanair's 12 new routes.
Perhaps you should consider relocating your last post to the ,Safety, CRM, QA & Emergency Response Planning, Forums,
the only piece of your post relevant to the BRS forum, is the very welcome news of Ryanair's 12 new routes.
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Perhaps jackitin is from a parallel universe, i work at the airport in this universe and have never hear of any of the incidents jackitin refers, to, in fact the only Bristol related Ryanair incident i can recall was last years decompression and subsequent diversion into france by an outbound Bristol based a/c
When the runway works were in progress one based operator was the first to take a stand and cancel. It cost millions. It made the airport act..
That's safety.
Right there. Right in the face of commercial expediency. Pilots say no. End of.
I'm very, very, proud of that.
The report justifies everything. I defy any airline current or defunct to demonstrate a higher standard.
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That's safety.
Right there. Right in the face of commercial expediency. Pilots say no. End of.
I'm very, very, proud of that.
The report justifies everything. I defy any airline current or defunct to demonstrate a higher standard.
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WWW
No. Not really. I'm happy here. Ta
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