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Old 5th Jul 2009, 18:41
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Not bad at all considering it is LHR and MAN - two large airspaces.

Will they be able to make a full service - surely they wouldn't even have time to serve drinks!
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 18:46
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The block times and the flying times are two different species. Half the flying time on some LHR short haul can be spent taxi-ing in the departure queue or circling Bovingdon......

Can we have another runway please Mr Cameron? PLEASE?!?!?!
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 18:50
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Oh I know block time is something completely different, as I say I have done it before in 30 minutes with a block of 55. Ryanair seem to extend their scheduled times, which I am sure is what helps their on time performance, added to the small airport etc.

Anyway, I just thought 27 minutes in the two biggest airspaces in the UK (All London airports and Manchester, Liverpool etc.) I thought it may have taken slightly longer. It look nearly as long from taxi (18:11) to take-off (18:32)!
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Old 6th Jul 2009, 21:26
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it isn't unusual to have a flight time of 25 - 30 mins at the weekend.

And yes we can serve 180 people wih sandwiches, drinks, tea and coffee in that time.

many a time spent securing the cabin as the stockport pyramid goes under the left wing!!
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Old 7th Jul 2009, 05:15
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In 1968, 41 years ago, the standard schedule time (ie block time plus all your contingency etc) between Heathrow and Liverpool was 40 minutes, on a British Eagle One-Eleven. BEA One-Elevens to Manchester were the same. What a step backwards to nowadays, schedule of 65 minutes and for ever creeping upwards.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...68/eg68-02.jpg
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Old 7th Jul 2009, 09:50
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BA Ground 3 x 744 for W10

In the latest release of figures for June. They mention grounding 3 x 744 in winter 2010.Does anybody know if this in addition to the 8 already announced or are they part of that number.
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Old 7th Jul 2009, 10:38
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with the 744's being grounded you have to keep in mind that 4 new 772's are in the process of entering service and they start getting 773's next year i understand.
The grounding of 744's i expect is part of the aim to downscale the amount of seats and to fly routes with more fuel efficient aircraft.
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Old 7th Jul 2009, 12:44
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Originally Posted by WHBM
In 1968, 41 years ago, the standard schedule time (ie block time plus all your contingency etc) between Heathrow and Liverpool was 40 minutes, on a British Eagle One-Eleven. BEA One-Elevens to Manchester were the same. What a step backwards to nowadays, schedule of 65 minutes and for ever creeping upwards.
You have to remember that there are far more aircraft in the sky now a days which makes the journey more complicated, even over 200 miles.
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Old 7th Jul 2009, 13:37
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Originally Posted by WHBM
In 1968, 41 years ago, the standard schedule time (ie block time plus all your contingency etc) between Heathrow and Liverpool was 40 minutes, on a British Eagle One-Eleven. BEA One-Elevens to Manchester were the same. What a step backwards to nowadays, schedule of 65 minutes and for ever creeping upwards.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...68/eg68-02.jpg
And I see from there, that even operating via Chester (EG704 Mon-Fri) it still only took 1h20m LHR-LPL ..... on a Viscount!
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Old 7th Jul 2009, 21:27
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Bring back Starways - All is forgiven!
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Old 7th Jul 2009, 22:31
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MUFC

Further to your 27 minute flight I would just like
to add that I flew LHR-MAN on 6/7 in just over
30 mins.
The problem with this flight was that I spent 45
minutes sat on the aircraft at the gate and a further
25 minutes taxiing - bad weather deviations etc.
The four trolley dash for service was ok but because
of predicted turb no hot drinks!

I have also flown the same route in a BMI penciljet
in under 30 mins.

MM
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Old 8th Jul 2009, 06:41
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I thought the 747 groundings announced recently were additional ones (i.e., on top of those grounded this last winter).
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Old 9th Jul 2009, 09:54
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cornishsimon

yes looks like your correct. 3 x 773's due in late summer 2010, so looks like straight swap 3x773 for 3 x 744.
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Old 9th Jul 2009, 14:17
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What will the seating config. be on the 77W? Will it be an increase or decrease in capacity?

Thanks.
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BA ‘to accept 50:50 Iberia merger split’ : Heathrow Airport News Stories

This may be my bias side coming out but for BA's HQ to be based in Madrid will be terrible.

How can you base the airline in Madrid opposed to the world business hub?

What are the benefits? Thanks.
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Old 13th Jul 2009, 23:22
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Sounds more like an Iberia takeover than a Merger of equals as BA need their cash for pension fund and investment.
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 07:37
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BA has a fleet of over 300+ aircraft and the most lucrative slots in the world - it will be a sad day if Iberia complete a 'takeover.'
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 08:24
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Yes, 300+ aircraft and the most lucrative slots in the world. There is also the issue of the 3.000.000.000 Pound pension deficit... BA need cash and it can't be found in London at the moment. Beggars can't be choosers.
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 09:24
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BA fleet mainline today 234 (+3 772 due to enter service)
Two B757, two B747, and all B733 have been removed. Two B735 remain until autumn.
On order 8 A320 replacing 10 757 in next twelve months and 6 B77W which will replace further B744s.
Mainline fleet will remain static at around the 235-240 for some years yet.

Those A388 and B787s will be delivered eventually.

BA Cityflyer 10 (Was 12 but one hull lost and one wfu)
Due to be parked all the RJ and replaced with 11 EMB175/190s again no real growth.

Summary BA fleet is 246 NOT 300+ Thats a LOT less

As for the grand father slot lease allocation at LHR the value might well be lower than you think.

There is NOT a huge list of operators wanting to come to LHR.
No South Americans,(they look elsewhere Madrid/Frankfurt) ,no Africans and just about the only Asian carrier wanting access is Vietnam and thats held up at inter-government level.
Only a few of the US operators are still looking for better slot leases and thats happening behind closed doors and within Alliance partner trading.

As for having the holding company based in Madrid -so what its certainly more economical than London, however BA will still be UK registered and base and offices WILL still be Heathrow/Compass House/ Waterside.

Having said that i generally agree that BA financially will be the lesser partner in the merged business.
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 10:02
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Originally Posted by MUFC_fan
You have to remember that there are far more aircraft in the sky now a days which makes the journey more complicated, even over 200 miles.
I don't think the time in the sky, certainly northbound, is any different now to what it was then. The bulk of the the extra dicking about seems to take place on the ground.

How do the extra aircraft in the sky account for the fact that, on about 50% of the arrivals into T5 nowadays, time is lost by the stand guidance not being switched on, because the ground crew are not yet in position ?
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