British Airways - 2
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Ireland
Posts: 1,621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Discussion on this route is already going on in the London City thread.
"Good earner"? Hmm.
No, not another apron extension - the A318s will park on one of the new stands (potentially both on one stand, I heard!)
"Good earner"? Hmm.
No, not another apron extension - the A318s will park on one of the new stands (potentially both on one stand, I heard!)
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 2,069
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The route probably has long term potential, but I would say it is quite brave to persist with it in these times. Also, it may actually take business away from their own (LHR) flights.
Wondering how many businesses can ofset the £2,500 one way ticket price. Guess we'll see.
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London (Babylon-on-Thames)
Age: 42
Posts: 6,168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
if one a/c goes tech. then they are F*CKED
Calm down. Heathrow's only a hop across town and they have numerous other JFK rotations per day. Hardly fcuked.
Wonder what saying in time is going either way given the Snn stopover.
Skipness - I think MUFC does partly have a point. Granted one can still get from LCY to LHR and catch a flight onwards to JFK. However, it takes a soddin' long time to get from anywhere east of the Wharf to LHR. And no, I can't see BA laying on helicopters from LCY to LHR to make up for it !
Suppose pax board flight. Plane goes tech, and captain says 'This shouldn't be too long'. Suppose after just an hour, engineers admit it's gonna take a while, and pax are offloaded. Allow 30 mins for offloading of pax and baggage and everyone getting either in a cab or on the DLR heading west. Allow 1h30 to get to T5. Allow another hour because pax need to wait for the next flight rather than there being one as soon as they turn up at LHR. Allow another hour for checking in and passing through the airport. I'm assuming that BA makes the effort and rebooks all 32 pax while they are en route from LCY to LHR, onto the very next flight.
Result = minimum of 5 hours wasted. Those A318s had better be reliable !
Suppose pax board flight. Plane goes tech, and captain says 'This shouldn't be too long'. Suppose after just an hour, engineers admit it's gonna take a while, and pax are offloaded. Allow 30 mins for offloading of pax and baggage and everyone getting either in a cab or on the DLR heading west. Allow 1h30 to get to T5. Allow another hour because pax need to wait for the next flight rather than there being one as soon as they turn up at LHR. Allow another hour for checking in and passing through the airport. I'm assuming that BA makes the effort and rebooks all 32 pax while they are en route from LCY to LHR, onto the very next flight.
Result = minimum of 5 hours wasted. Those A318s had better be reliable !
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 2,069
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Plus, I would assume they would want money back for their inconvenience PLUS the difference in fare which seems to be quite something at the moment!
Also, that is assuming there are 32 seats available on the next flight!
Also, that is assuming there are 32 seats available on the next flight!
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London (Babylon-on-Thames)
Age: 42
Posts: 6,168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Also, that is assuming there are 32 seats available on the next flight!
Run a two aircraft operation with a spare aircraft on permanent standby?
I think peope are realistic to know that on occasion there will be a problem, but this is surely the same as the Privatair operations for Lufthansa and KLM. BA has evening departures to both New York airports from LHR, and LCY is close enough to Heathrow. Before you all scream "No" I do the run from LCY to LHR regularly and even on the DLR / Tube it's not *THAT* far. Let's give the thing a chance first.
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 2,069
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Oh I seriously hope it works for BA but they need 100% reliability. Imagine a large bank - big BA customer - had 10 execs inc. the CEO and say, Chairman on the flight - and it went tech.
I really want them to do well on this route but just pointing out that if it did at all go wrong then image is everything!
I really want them to do well on this route but just pointing out that if it did at all go wrong then image is everything!
Originally Posted by Cyrano
No, not another apron extension - the A318s will park on one of the new stands
Originally Posted by bmaviscount
The new flights are up for sale but only at £4,900 return!
Oh I seriously hope it works for BA but they need 100% reliability. Imagine a large bank - big BA customer - had 10 execs inc. the CEO and say, Chairman on the flight - and it went tech.
MUFC
Yeah do know what you mean BUT given the straits the banks are in plus one of the main reasons why bankers going back and forward in Mergers and Acquiistion deals and that is dead at the moment then this service could be a dog.
It is a good idea BUT what number of seats are required to be filled for it to break even ?
If you work on assumption there is no huge time saving, not much on cost, little on flexibility as one service a day then what is the Unique Selling Position ?
Yeah do know what you mean BUT given the straits the banks are in plus one of the main reasons why bankers going back and forward in Mergers and Acquiistion deals and that is dead at the moment then this service could be a dog.
It is a good idea BUT what number of seats are required to be filled for it to break even ?
If you work on assumption there is no huge time saving, not much on cost, little on flexibility as one service a day then what is the Unique Selling Position ?
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,691
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Tough luck on anyone else who doesn't have such a corporate backing, BA has lost interest in you, their target market is elsewhere. Public transport service my a**e.
If you don't like the price why not head to LHR where there are plenty of bargain bucket fares and two for one offers in Club World available.
Originally Posted by racedo
If you work on assumption there is no huge time saving, not much on cost, little on flexibility as one service a day then what is the Unique Selling Position ?
The time advantage is in getting from the wharf to the airport faster, 15 mins before the flight, and not having to clear immigration in the huge queue at JFK. It's also a smaller, less busy quieter cabin, superior service, and enjoys internet connectivity so you can actually keep working if you need to. Nobody takes a fligt so they can spend time hanging around airports, this service minimises that wasted time.
The internet connectivity stuff etc are all nice to have BUT you may find its not really wanted as Execs can and do treat it as down time.
You still have to land in Snn and that will take 1-2 hours reckon on average from wheels down to back up.
You still have to land in Snn and that will take 1-2 hours reckon on average from wheels down to back up.