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The yacht racing is based at Valencia this year, so a lot of yacht based traffic makes this route special. Valencia is the 'new' Barcelona! BA is pretty experienced with deciding new routes- a lot of analysis goes into it. And an anonymous keyboard on Pprune criticises the decision? I don't think they will lose any sleep!
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BA is pretty experienced with deciding new routes- a lot of analysis goes into it
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I can't see why BA would be interested in the UK regions, when the Single Market and Open Skies mean the whole of the European Union is available to them. How about taking over MALEV instead?
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BA are running scared now. What next?
BA Connect and all the associated BA regional failures including BACityflyer, Openskies, LCY-JFK... Is there any directional planning at Birdseed Airways?
There just seems to be a 'clutching at Straws' culture now. Anything to try and stifle the competition. Whats AF doing... Whats LH doing? Whats IB doing? NOTHING. They all have settled models in operation already, forcing slackers such as BA to show their unprepared hand... By grappling with idea after idea, BA are showing they are running from one whim to another, and not sticking with one in particular...
Go was a winner for BA. Thats the only decent idea they had. On the other hand, BAityflyer is a continual nightmare for BA. Constant delays, technical faults and crewing issues.
Anyone fancy taking offers for the next big thing from BA
BA Connect and all the associated BA regional failures including BACityflyer, Openskies, LCY-JFK... Is there any directional planning at Birdseed Airways?
There just seems to be a 'clutching at Straws' culture now. Anything to try and stifle the competition. Whats AF doing... Whats LH doing? Whats IB doing? NOTHING. They all have settled models in operation already, forcing slackers such as BA to show their unprepared hand... By grappling with idea after idea, BA are showing they are running from one whim to another, and not sticking with one in particular...
Go was a winner for BA. Thats the only decent idea they had. On the other hand, BAityflyer is a continual nightmare for BA. Constant delays, technical faults and crewing issues.
Anyone fancy taking offers for the next big thing from BA
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Skip to be fair though BACityflyer is a mess !!! no crew , Tech aircraft and management, sorry The leadership team as they like to be known with about as much idea of direction as a broken Tom Tom!!!!!!!!
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Personally i think they should of stook to GO. This would or could of hurt FR at STN but could of also provided a expansion(Slight Exageration). The things they could of done with this type of product is endless expansion up north etc.
As far as aquring one now or buliding one up from stratch is not going to happen. LS isnt selling up and i dont think will do and it is pointless starting new ops from anywhere in the UK as a LCC because most airports now are more full of LCC than full service carriers.
What they should do is revamp the BA CityFlyer into a far better product and maybe expand at LCY but also places such as MAN. A new set of A/C (ERJ170,ERJ175), Better working conditions aswell as pay(here that it is bad here) would not go a miss and this could possible become a good little subsdary for BA.
These days though it seems BA likes to build up a subsdairy into a reliable one, makes money for them then all of a sudden they sell it get the money out of it they wanted and run. They then start up another and carry on doing this.
Imagine if they didnt do this what would they have today:
Go-LCC Airline could of expanded rapidley out of STN, EMA and BRS and probably have some 738s hanging around today
GB Airlines-Holiday subsdairy-Great for those retired people who want to start and finish there holidays in style-Could of expanded the MAN ops into Egypt,Turkey and Portugal
BMED-Dont know if this was actually making something to BA but i reckon they could of bought it out then merged it into BA but kept the fleet on the same rotation etc.
BA CityFlyer-They still have it but actually from reports i see, read and here they just dont give a S
T. Imagine if they did this could actually do something for BA.
As far as starting a new LCC up i dont think so. I would reckon more to them concentrating on the LODON ops then anything else make money that they want sell it then start again.
As far as aquring one now or buliding one up from stratch is not going to happen. LS isnt selling up and i dont think will do and it is pointless starting new ops from anywhere in the UK as a LCC because most airports now are more full of LCC than full service carriers.
What they should do is revamp the BA CityFlyer into a far better product and maybe expand at LCY but also places such as MAN. A new set of A/C (ERJ170,ERJ175), Better working conditions aswell as pay(here that it is bad here) would not go a miss and this could possible become a good little subsdary for BA.
These days though it seems BA likes to build up a subsdairy into a reliable one, makes money for them then all of a sudden they sell it get the money out of it they wanted and run. They then start up another and carry on doing this.
Imagine if they didnt do this what would they have today:
Go-LCC Airline could of expanded rapidley out of STN, EMA and BRS and probably have some 738s hanging around today
GB Airlines-Holiday subsdairy-Great for those retired people who want to start and finish there holidays in style-Could of expanded the MAN ops into Egypt,Turkey and Portugal
BMED-Dont know if this was actually making something to BA but i reckon they could of bought it out then merged it into BA but kept the fleet on the same rotation etc.
BA CityFlyer-They still have it but actually from reports i see, read and here they just dont give a S
T. Imagine if they did this could actually do something for BA.As far as starting a new LCC up i dont think so. I would reckon more to them concentrating on the LODON ops then anything else make money that they want sell it then start again.
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A new set of A/C (ERJ170,ERJ175), Better working conditions aswell as pay(here that it is bad here) would not go a miss and this could possible become a good little subsdary for BA.
GB Airlines-Holiday subsdairy-Great for those retired people who want to start and finish there holidays in style-Could of expanded the MAN ops into Egypt,Turkey and Portugal
BMED-Dont know if this was actually making something to BA but i reckon they could of bought it out then merged it into BA but kept the fleet on the same rotation etc.
As for CityFlyer, not sure how that's doing so can't comment.
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Thats a funny post and this business model could work well!...Could also include Stanley racing on board gambling product in IFE and duty free bar will accept all currency inc Giro cheque's..
Thats a funny post and this business model could work well!...Could also include Stanley racing on board gambling product in IFE and duty free bar will accept all currency inc Giro cheque's..
I know BA have a 15%(17?) share in FlyBe, but why does their logo feature on the Flybe flight screens? could there be more to it for the future?
lo cost franchise/owners??
lo cost franchise/owners??
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Tech aircraft and management, sorry The leadership team as they like to be known with about as much idea of direction as a broken Tom Tom!!!!!!!!
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Further to my last posts regarding the potential B777-300 order,some developments are occuring within BA Engineering at present that would support this as being true....
Any of you who have ever visited Tech block J in the maintenance area will be interested to know that there is now a project in place to convert Bay2 to accept the B777-300. Three firms are involved,Hughes and Salvedge,who are a specialist demolition firm,....Arup,a construction firm and Reel,a specialist access platform supplier. Both H&S and Arup have been given the task of creating a "bubble" on the front of Bay2 in order to facilitate the -300 and from speaking to thier guys doing the groundwork etc,it seems that BA have tasked them with a Jan09 completion date. From an engineers perspective this would tie in with an aircraft "arrival date" of somewhen in early Oct,as under the B777s MPD,they are due an "A" check at 105 day intervals!!
With regard the older 747-400s being parked in the desert,well there seems to be two "thought trains" in place at present....One seems to involve getting shot of the oldest 400s in late October,(start of winter schedule),...the other seems to centre around parking up some of the newest 400s and then flying the oldest ones hard and fast towards thier intended retirement dates,ie next "D" check. The logic of this seems to revolve around getting the most out of the oldest airframes,then when each one of these a/c reach the end of the line,it will be replaced by one of the younger ones from temporary storage!
One problem that BA has not apparently forseen,(according to the spotters in my area),is the fact that suitable parking slots in the various airfields in Arizona,that deal in aircraft storage,have more or less been exhausted by the recent demise/cutbacks in US airlines.
With regard the 767 fleet,it still seems likely that the ones doing the Shorthaul routes will be converted to longhaul config somewhen soon
With regard the 737s,well they are not within my "fleet scope",but all i can say is that "rumour control" here in Engineering,is rife regarding the sale of BAMG,(the BA maint base in Glasgow),to a third party,with the Airbus work being split between LHR and Cardiff.....Can't be much "family silver" left to sell now if this is true!!
Any of you who have ever visited Tech block J in the maintenance area will be interested to know that there is now a project in place to convert Bay2 to accept the B777-300. Three firms are involved,Hughes and Salvedge,who are a specialist demolition firm,....Arup,a construction firm and Reel,a specialist access platform supplier. Both H&S and Arup have been given the task of creating a "bubble" on the front of Bay2 in order to facilitate the -300 and from speaking to thier guys doing the groundwork etc,it seems that BA have tasked them with a Jan09 completion date. From an engineers perspective this would tie in with an aircraft "arrival date" of somewhen in early Oct,as under the B777s MPD,they are due an "A" check at 105 day intervals!!
With regard the older 747-400s being parked in the desert,well there seems to be two "thought trains" in place at present....One seems to involve getting shot of the oldest 400s in late October,(start of winter schedule),...the other seems to centre around parking up some of the newest 400s and then flying the oldest ones hard and fast towards thier intended retirement dates,ie next "D" check. The logic of this seems to revolve around getting the most out of the oldest airframes,then when each one of these a/c reach the end of the line,it will be replaced by one of the younger ones from temporary storage!
One problem that BA has not apparently forseen,(according to the spotters in my area),is the fact that suitable parking slots in the various airfields in Arizona,that deal in aircraft storage,have more or less been exhausted by the recent demise/cutbacks in US airlines.
With regard the 767 fleet,it still seems likely that the ones doing the Shorthaul routes will be converted to longhaul config somewhen soon
With regard the 737s,well they are not within my "fleet scope",but all i can say is that "rumour control" here in Engineering,is rife regarding the sale of BAMG,(the BA maint base in Glasgow),to a third party,with the Airbus work being split between LHR and Cardiff.....Can't be much "family silver" left to sell now if this is true!!
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There is some familly siver left and that is Cranebank. That is sheduled to be vacated by mid 2010 with general AOT / CST stuff and staff moved to TBC. Flight ops and the sims will be located in a yet to be announced new site probably some miles away from LHR and likewise CC will have another site solely for them and SEP. In the future separate sites can be easily moved to another company, made a subsidary or soled off entirely. Cranebank which I am sure we own will fetch a handsome price and I expect these operations sites coiuld be in EC development areas in the UK. I believe that FC / CC training could be housed any reasonable distance from LHR / LGW and that might include SE coast sites and / or the Midlands.
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If some of BA's 747 fleet (oldest or newest) really are going to parked up on a temporary basis isnt there anywhere closer that could be used instead of flying them out to the desert ?
How many airframes are we talking about ?
How many airframes are we talking about ?
If some of BA's 747 fleet (oldest or newest) really are going to parked up on a temporary basis isnt there anywhere closer that could be used instead of flying them out to the desert ?
Maybe there's a business opportunity there for a budding entrepeneur - pity Dragon's Den isn't still running...
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I know BA have a 15%(17?) share in FlyBe, but why does their logo feature on the Flybe flight screens? could there be more to it for the future?
lo cost franchise/owners??
lo cost franchise/owners??
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well unless i am mistaken Cornwall County Council soon take over ownership of the whole NQY site. This includes one hell of alot of a/c parking and taxiways which the current commercial airport does not require/use on the RAF side of the airport. ideal parking for unwanted aircraft as far as i can see!
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If some of BA's 747 fleet (oldest or newest) really are going to parked up on a temporary basis isnt there anywhere closer that could be used instead of flying them out to the desert ?
If you know of anywhere which has a similar climate and facilities to those areas in the US, ie Arizona and parts of southern California, and is nearer to the UK, then I'm sure British Airways would love to hear from you!
Maybe there's a business opportunity there for a budding entrepeneur - pity Dragon's Den isn't still running...
If some of BA's 747 fleet (oldest or newest) really are going to parked up on a temporary basis isnt there anywhere closer that could be used instead of flying them out to the desert ?
If you know of anywhere which has a similar climate and facilities to those areas in the US, ie Arizona and parts of southern California, and is nearer to the UK, then I'm sure British Airways would love to hear from you!
Maybe there's a business opportunity there for a budding entrepeneur - pity Dragon's Den isn't still running...
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Focusing on LCY...
Thats a laugh
The crew and aircraft are based in EDI, with ops in Didsbury, and 'official' base at LCY. How the hell can the operation expect to be efficient and run generally speaking on-time, when for a start the comms between the 3 are non-existant... Can never get an answer from ops or the big-wigs at LCY when the sh*t goes down - sorry - thats normal, but come on...
The aircraft are constantly positioning from EDI to SEN for maint, thats if they are not tech already, or being worked on, on the ground... Its a complete and utter joke. EDI is like a parking lot for Avros.
The passengers are not stupid. They are regulars and know the score fine well. How come AF/Cityjet do not suffer the same problems (they do have tech issues but nothing on the scale of BACF).
BA just dont seem to care. They are building up a 'base' at LCY for other things, ie the proposed JFK route. Protecting the slots. Unless a new fleet of aircraft are introduced, NOTHING will change. Nothing has changed over the past 4 years - except the name...
Thats a laugh
The crew and aircraft are based in EDI, with ops in Didsbury, and 'official' base at LCY. How the hell can the operation expect to be efficient and run generally speaking on-time, when for a start the comms between the 3 are non-existant... Can never get an answer from ops or the big-wigs at LCY when the sh*t goes down - sorry - thats normal, but come on...
The aircraft are constantly positioning from EDI to SEN for maint, thats if they are not tech already, or being worked on, on the ground... Its a complete and utter joke. EDI is like a parking lot for Avros.
The passengers are not stupid. They are regulars and know the score fine well. How come AF/Cityjet do not suffer the same problems (they do have tech issues but nothing on the scale of BACF).
BA just dont seem to care. They are building up a 'base' at LCY for other things, ie the proposed JFK route. Protecting the slots. Unless a new fleet of aircraft are introduced, NOTHING will change. Nothing has changed over the past 4 years - except the name...
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I hope the BA PPRuNers who occasionally contribute to this thread are asking hard questions internally about what the hell is going on here:
World Record Holder G-BOAD badly damaged
What is happening to G-BOAD?
And no, they didn't take the nose off to get it away from the Intrepid dock renovation.
World Record Holder G-BOAD badly damaged
What is happening to G-BOAD?
And no, they didn't take the nose off to get it away from the Intrepid dock renovation.
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