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I do hope (with every bone in my body) that this fails and leaves BA with as much egg on their face as possible....
The worlds favorite airline......I dont think so......Londons favorite airline....not for much longer.......
The worlds favorite airline......I dont think so......Londons favorite airline....not for much longer.......
And there are plenty more of us out there who feel like this.
Thank you LON for stitching up the regions.
It won't be forgotten.
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It is quite clear that many of the contributors have little or no idea about the wonderful world of airlines and aviation. In principle the LCY operation is very sound the problrems start when we try to crew it and the unions kick off. I would hazard a guess that the operation will stay with BACX and good luck to those staff. It does not serve ex Man BA staff very well to be so bitter about the closure, they had been on the gravy train for decades and should have realised that all good things come to an end.
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Ex Cargo Clown, in the last few weeks you have wished both Jet2 and BA to go under; Jet2 as they cancelled your flight (but offered you the option of changing) a good deal of time before your flight; and BA, as they don't offer the regions the services which they obviously, clearly have a god-given right to. Dude, what is your problem? You are seriously bitter.
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To be honest as a EX regional BA employee its by far the best thing that could ever have happened. There was never any job progression as people on the old contracts would never leave as they were onto such a good thing. Now i still work for BA but just not from the regions and its a fantastic life i now lead.
I hope the LCY operation works, it seems someone have been thinking outside of the box at waterworld at last.
I hope the LCY operation works, it seems someone have been thinking outside of the box at waterworld at last.
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BA and the regions!
Unlikely but if BA were to fail many of us hard working employees would be out of work and unable to pay for our mortgages etc... I live in the regions as do many BA crew and I very happy that 'london airways' is happy to support the regions with so many Jobs. So get over yourself please and stop using this site for your personal rants.
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25 days off a month??? Where the hell did you get that stupid figure from???? Im not a pilot with BA but I do know for a FACT that they work a hell of a lot more then that and many are currently hitting their maximum allowable hours under EU legislation!!!
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Sorry didn't get chance to get back to on the other thread before the mods binned you, had to dash out to shoot a few foxes and put some juice in the 4x4, now what were you on about
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Can BA Sustain its LON-SYD Route With the 747?
Operated under the terms of the Joint Service Agreement (JSA) with Qantas, British Airways' dedication to an historic link to one of the farthest outposts of the Commonwealth is rumoured to be not long for this world, a BA source has revealed.
Having pulled out of Brisbane and Perth many years ago, and ended direct services to Melbourne in 2004, after a previous hiatus in 1999, last year BA reduced SYD flights via SIN to 777 only, when previously both SIN and BKK flights where served using gas-guzzling but passenger friendly 747s.
At the summit of the International Air Transport Association Willy Walsh publicly stated that BA will mothball aircraft this winter, with oil at $130 a barrel that seems a prudent management decision. And this mothballing is believed to be focussed on older 747 and 767 longhaul aircraft.
But his musings point more to a reduction in frequency rather than an all out route elimination:
"We will be looking at some routes to see if we can take out some frequency," he said. "We are in uncharted waters.
"I see no option but to take capacity out. It doesn't make sense with oil at $130 a barrel to operate flights which have not made a contribution to our cash situation."
With the oneworld agreement coming up for renegotiation in October this year, Qantas is becoming noticeably more distant from its oneworld partner at LHR.
The Australian carrier now uses its own handling agents and check in staff. Moving out of T4 to T3 without being invited to share T5, it seems that close relationship may be up for grabs as well. So this potential reduction may well be simply posturing in order to gain agreement to continue the lucrative oneworld/JSA agreement. But maybe not.
BA needs to save fuel, so it is the longer, less lucrative services which will be looked at first, and particularly those using the 747 fleet.
Removing the 747 BKK-SYD service has the advantage of not impacting the airline's slot use at LHR which under the use it or lose it rules must be kept in action despite the fleet reduction.
Axing these services could allow the removal of 3 747s from the fleet, mothballed until the oil price stabilises; they may or may not be replaced by 777s.
However available 777 aircraft are scarce in the BA fleet, having lost a hull of one of their more modern -ER planes in the BA 38 incident and currently taking one aircraft out of service on rotation from October.
With only 15 777s in the fleet correctly kitted out with the required crew rest bunks for such long haul sectors, there may be difficultly finding replacement aircraft for this route, resulting in reduction of frequency or an outright cessation of service.
The SYD route makes a lot more sense using the more efficient A380 and 787 Dreamliner aircraft, but with these not entering the BA fleet until 2010 at the earliest, it may be a while before the economics of a BA link to Australia make sense once again.
Having pulled out of Brisbane and Perth many years ago, and ended direct services to Melbourne in 2004, after a previous hiatus in 1999, last year BA reduced SYD flights via SIN to 777 only, when previously both SIN and BKK flights where served using gas-guzzling but passenger friendly 747s.
At the summit of the International Air Transport Association Willy Walsh publicly stated that BA will mothball aircraft this winter, with oil at $130 a barrel that seems a prudent management decision. And this mothballing is believed to be focussed on older 747 and 767 longhaul aircraft.
But his musings point more to a reduction in frequency rather than an all out route elimination:
"We will be looking at some routes to see if we can take out some frequency," he said. "We are in uncharted waters.
"I see no option but to take capacity out. It doesn't make sense with oil at $130 a barrel to operate flights which have not made a contribution to our cash situation."
With the oneworld agreement coming up for renegotiation in October this year, Qantas is becoming noticeably more distant from its oneworld partner at LHR.
The Australian carrier now uses its own handling agents and check in staff. Moving out of T4 to T3 without being invited to share T5, it seems that close relationship may be up for grabs as well. So this potential reduction may well be simply posturing in order to gain agreement to continue the lucrative oneworld/JSA agreement. But maybe not.
BA needs to save fuel, so it is the longer, less lucrative services which will be looked at first, and particularly those using the 747 fleet.
Removing the 747 BKK-SYD service has the advantage of not impacting the airline's slot use at LHR which under the use it or lose it rules must be kept in action despite the fleet reduction.
Axing these services could allow the removal of 3 747s from the fleet, mothballed until the oil price stabilises; they may or may not be replaced by 777s.
However available 777 aircraft are scarce in the BA fleet, having lost a hull of one of their more modern -ER planes in the BA 38 incident and currently taking one aircraft out of service on rotation from October.
With only 15 777s in the fleet correctly kitted out with the required crew rest bunks for such long haul sectors, there may be difficultly finding replacement aircraft for this route, resulting in reduction of frequency or an outright cessation of service.
The SYD route makes a lot more sense using the more efficient A380 and 787 Dreamliner aircraft, but with these not entering the BA fleet until 2010 at the earliest, it may be a while before the economics of a BA link to Australia make sense once again.
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Addressing this from another angle there is also a business case at Waterside for bringing 77's from LGW to LHR and moving 74's to LGW. LGW offers shorter routes (less fuel) a greater saving on staff costs (CC are multi fleet) and with a pre-dominate LGW holiday routes structure the chance to offer higher discount to travel agents to fill the a/c up. Holiday punters tend to purchase a lot more in flite items. Both of the Florida services from LGW could easily fill a 74. Finally with the investment of £100 millions on the 'First' product a number of the 74's will not be upgraded due to their anticipated disposal within the next 5 years.
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BA to lease B777-300s???
At an Engineering forum earlier this week,hosted by a senior BA manager,the subject of fleet renewal/replacement was discussed as a topic. The staff were then told that BA is about to lease 10-12 B777-300s which will be used as a stop-gap due late delivery of the B787.
Apparently,these a/c have been ordered by a finance company for lease to another airline,who have recently canx the order!! Boeing,keen to keep BA sweet "re 787 slippage" has promised that they will be able to fit the interiors to BA scheme and still keep to the original customers delivery schedule,which means the first a/c could be with us in September.....the first four a/c of this order are on production line at present!
Once deliverys begin they will be used as a one for one swop with the older B747-400s which will be parked up in the desert.
Does anyone know anything of this apparent order???
Apparently,these a/c have been ordered by a finance company for lease to another airline,who have recently canx the order!! Boeing,keen to keep BA sweet "re 787 slippage" has promised that they will be able to fit the interiors to BA scheme and still keep to the original customers delivery schedule,which means the first a/c could be with us in September.....the first four a/c of this order are on production line at present!
Once deliverys begin they will be used as a one for one swop with the older B747-400s which will be parked up in the desert.
Does anyone know anything of this apparent order???
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777-300
I heard about this several months ago and at that time there was a view that there would be 10 aircraft and would be quite likley positioned to LGW as a common fleet and that the 7 777-200 currently at LGW would return to LHR.
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Why would they be leasing more aircraft when they are considering grounding some of their fleet due to rising fuel prices?? 
http://www.uk-airport-news.info/heat...ws-030608c.htm
http://www.uk-airport-news.info/heat...ws-030608c.htm