Ryanair - 6

[Seljuk22]

I've checked all the flights from/to MAD at Nov 9th and there have to be 11 a/c next winter (now 7).
Morning departure from MAD to CRL, EIN, GRX, XRY (starting 3 weekly from Oct 1st and daily from 25th Oct), LPA, STN, BGY, OPO (until 24th Oct it's operated by OPO-based a/c), SDR, TFS and VLC.
Maybe FR changing the times again but there have to be more a/c than now.

[pee]

Italy

Cesare, as far as I can understand (being not good in Italian), FR intend to place as much as 4-6 planes in Treviso (to become a new base), so the expansion in Italy is far from over. Look at this article.

[befree]

Ryanair Announces 20% Flight Cuts at Dublin

Ryanair are cutting Dublin down to 14 planes. They are trying to force cuts in tax and charges. In reality they are in trouble and cannot operate profitably if they have to pay tax and charges like everyone else.

In reality they will operate more routes from the other bases into Dublin.

They have to pay for planes even if they are not used. At some point I expect they will revised the profit guidance down again.

[al446]

And far be it from us to have negative thoughts about the little Irish spiv.

[FutureCC]

I was thinking the same thing, Ryanair will just operate the route into Dublin/Stansted from another base, which still gives the route for those flying out of Dublin/Stansted!

Well, the goverments gave in on Weeze - if Ryanair pulls out of one of the many airports they are in; realistically, it will collapse. As most of these airports are small and secondary - with no hope of another carrier coming.

If Ryanair was to leave Girona (for example) then Girona Airport would collapse, and I think AENA wouldn't be so stupid to push them out...

[Evileyes]

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[Charlie Roy]

Italy

Cawley confirms Ryanair are in talks with:

• Naples
• Crotone
• Catania

Aeroporto Napoli Capodichino, Ryanair interessata? :: Ciaopeople Magazine - Viaggi Cultura > Viaggi & vacanze

Ad aprile il vice-presidente di Ryanair Michael Cawley ha dichiarato: ""dopo Pescara qualsiasi cosa e' possibile. Siamo in contatto con altri 3 aeroporti, Napoli, Crotone e Catania, che ci chiedono voli a causa della perdita di rotte e passeggeri".

[racedo]

Charlie Roy

Thanks for that

I guessed Ryanair would already be working on something without even considering the demise of My Air but now have other opportunities opening up in addition to those already planned.

[Telstar]

Pee, I'm not so sure about Treviso. FR want it as a base but noise problems and environmental concerns have put the dampers on it so far from what I hear.

[Morbid]

Its startling to see how UK centric the views on this thread are when we're talking about what is now a pan european airline. So Ryanair cuts some services from the UK. Its the right way to go with a saturated market suffering from gross over capacity. If they can throw in a few pot shots at the regulators and competitors whilst doing so all the better for free publicity.

Expansion in Italy and Spain. Most logical move possible in the present economic climate.

1. National airlines in both countries are shoddy and have cut back on service to the bone without reducing prices or cost base.
2. Charter airlines in both countries struggling to survive.
3. Airports in said countries fighting for revenue post building and construction projects.
4. Regional government support available in just about every province due to a high dependency on tourism where visitor numbers ergo visitor spending are the most important factors in the local economies.
5. Outbound tourism from both countries growing rapidly especially amongst the key 20-40 yr old demographic.
6. Finally, very few airlines looking to actively expand hence less competion.

Personally I believe that in the next two - three years we'll see Ryanair taking on a number of destinations outside the EU as destinations conforming to the above conditions will become fewer. It'll all depend on traffic rights being granted by 2nd tier tourist hungry destinations but I can well imagine destinations in N Africa, the black sea and even the Middle east. You won't get flights to Dubai but other emirates would welcome tourists and to not have to develop their own airlines would be a very welcome saving. Balkan resorts, the Crimea and North africa all present a similar situation. Would they be routes from the Uk... not likely, instead rathermore from historical mediteranean trading partners.

From the start (the Stansted base) Ryanair has shown how you can transport the business model to any airport in any country should the conditions that they require be present. Just how many countries currently have:

Incumbent airlines unable to expand
Incumbent airlines enjoying monopoly in their home market
Incumbent airlines with poor quality of service
Incumbent airlines with high cost base
Passengers forced to pass through hubs
Democratically elected politicians
Poor internal transport infrastructure
Underused airports

The Uk is not one of them... It did however enjoy that situation until FR and EZY started services.

[mickyman]

Morbid

I would concur with the conclusions in your post.

MM

[FutureCC]

Absolutely correct, although any new routes out there that represent something completely new I would say would have a flight going to Dublin and Stansted.

Of course, Ryanair are a European airline - but they are not going to turn there back from Stansted or Dublin. New aircraft will be based elsewhere, that makes perfect sense. But one of those aircraft will fly to Dublin and Stansted.

As you have said, expansion from the UK will stop - but not flights coming here.

I say by Decemeber 2010, you will be able to fly Ryanair to the United States and probably Dubai.

[captplaystation]

harer92 (post 5092)
Okay, I'm going to take the bait.
As the last two letters of the reg are painted/well stuck actually, on the nose gear door, and the full reg is visible both under the wing and on the back fuselage if you get on the back, and , given that RYR hardly ever uses airbridges, why, exactly do you want to know the reg the day before ? is there one aircraft you don't like ? or you just want to show your girlfriend/wife that you are a super sleuth by telling her the reg before you walk across the apron . . . . I bet she is impressed

[MUFC_fan]

I say by Decemeber 2010, you will be able to fly Ryanair to the United States and probably Dubai.

Macathur (NYC), Fujairah (UAE) and Oakland (LA) would be by guesses.

[Skipness One Echo]

I say by Decemeber 2010, you will be able to fly Ryanair to the United States and probably Dubai.

MOL has categorically stated that Ryanair will NOT go long haul. He has speculated that they might found a new company in the medium term to test the water but has confirmed that the Ryanair model won't adapt to long haul without tweaks and that is best done with a fresh sheet of paper.

[FutureCC]

That's basically what I meant, whether the aircraft says RYANAIR or RYANATLANTIC. It doesn't matter, the flight would be booked via ryanair.com, as MOL stated.

It sends shivers up the spines of BA, United, American, Virgin etc - but that's the future.

Well of course certain changes have to be made; one free checked-in bag, a free meal and free soft drinks. But if you could fly to New York for a fraction of the cost on one of the so called "full service" carriers - who would say no?

Of course, some of the airports Ryanair flies to don't have facilities to take a Boeing 777 - but Stansted, Girona, Hahn (and probably many more) do!

It would be the same model, flying to secondary airports with transfer links, but bottom line - it will be cheaper so it would be a success.

It may not appeal to everyone... perhaps not the business passengers or those who can afford BA or don't like Ryanair. But for the rest of us, why not?

[Telstar]

A triple 7 in Girona!? You're a funny guy!

[FutureCC]

I am very sure I read that as a possible destination... In fact I am certain...

"European airports that would host these flights are reportedly Barcelona-Girona, Birmingham, Dublin, Frankfurt-Hahn, Glasgow-Prestwick, Liverpool, London-Stansted, Milan-Bergamo & Stockholm-Skavsta."

RyanAtlantic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Telstar]

Future CC: I see. It's written on Wikipedia so it must be true. You are not at fault. Even the press, and I include respectable broadsheet newspapers, regurgitate Ryanairs spin and propaganda verbatim as if it were fact. Well let me tell you something. It's not. It's hot air. It gets acres of free publicity and excites the innocent such as yourself.

Gironas runway can just about handle a full 737-800 on a short haul flight in certain conditions. Liverpool is not exactly a long runway either. There is no way transatlantic ops with a 777 would work, where would you park it? May I respectfully suggest that you relocate to the Spotters Balcony section of the site where you can salivate over the virtual airline and it's routes that you would run?

[MUFC_fan]

It would be idiotic for the airline to do it in the current climate but whatever you say about MOL, he knows what he is doing when it comes to running the airline.

Gironas runway can just about handle a full 737-800 on a short haul flight in certain conditions.

Monarch fly A330s and Thomson B767s during the summer months to the airport - I guess when the airport is at worst conditions (hot summers?) I do know these are for short haul yet so are the 737s you mentioned.

I can't see it in happening within the next 2-3 years but when the economy recovers it could be MOL's 'retiring' package.