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I just babelfished the article
I especially like "a thorn in the eye".
Citizen of Berlin the Court of Appeal forbade Ryanair to the cheap airline to require for the payment with the credit card with on-line reservations of tickets a fee. Per simple flight Ryanair had computed four euros, so that during and return flight altogether eight euros had be shelled out. The complaint was initiated of consumer center the Federal association, which is the confusing prices of favorable flight offerers a thorn in the eye.
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That's the German version of "a thorn in your side," nothing special about that.
From what I read in the local paper the court said, basically, that Ryanair was charging for something they were not providing an extra service for. In other words, if I sell you something in a shop for 100 €, I cannot say it's 110 if you pay by card, it's against German commercial law.
Ryanair have appealed the ruling so that it shall be "business as usual" for the noo.
Here in Bremen they built a new terminal that is exactly like a pre-fab hangar with the bare necessities for pax instead of planes. Concrete floor, steel pre-fab structure, all very, very basic and the way they handle their pax is kind of short on the old charm but, yeah, it's cheap.
On the other hand I think that, when I checked, the flight I wanted had already been chopped from the schedule. Low yields, I assume.
It will be interesting to see how long, if at all, it takes for MOL to wear out his welcome here.
From what I read in the local paper the court said, basically, that Ryanair was charging for something they were not providing an extra service for. In other words, if I sell you something in a shop for 100 €, I cannot say it's 110 if you pay by card, it's against German commercial law.
Ryanair have appealed the ruling so that it shall be "business as usual" for the noo.
Here in Bremen they built a new terminal that is exactly like a pre-fab hangar with the bare necessities for pax instead of planes. Concrete floor, steel pre-fab structure, all very, very basic and the way they handle their pax is kind of short on the old charm but, yeah, it's cheap.
On the other hand I think that, when I checked, the flight I wanted had already been chopped from the schedule. Low yields, I assume.
It will be interesting to see how long, if at all, it takes for MOL to wear out his welcome here.
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Indeed. I've used Ryanair a lot over the last few years, but the way they've gone lately has made them very much a last resort for me. I prefer to pay a bit more and be treated like a human being.
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Why do you want to book 10 mths in advance anyhow ?
as long as you leave 1 or 2 months ahead to book it will normally 
be fairly cheap anyhow ?
I just did BCN-LIS return with TAP, booked less than 2wks before,143e return for TWO ! !
no incessant PA's urging me to buy booze (with the 2nd one free ! ! ) in a poly bag . . . YUK
or a bus ticket from STN to London ( WTF ? )
a nice sarnie and a glass of quite acceptable Portugese plonk served by someone with "weight in proportion to height" and a little bit of manners included, the little things make me happy sometimes
coz I remember how it used to be.
Having said that , I am grateful that the Pirates like RYR have forced the TAP's etc to make it affordable, so lets also maintain a sense of reality here.
Really, as a pax, I am wholeheartedly in agreement with you . . . . avoid if you can find an alternative
will they learn ? will the leopard change his spots ?
Time will tell. . . . isn't life interesting ?
Fly well.
as long as you leave 1 or 2 months ahead to book it will normally be fairly cheap anyhow ?I just did BCN-LIS return with TAP, booked less than 2wks before,143e return for TWO ! !
no incessant PA's urging me to buy booze (with the 2nd one free ! ! ) in a poly bag . . . YUK
or a bus ticket from STN to London ( WTF ? ) a nice sarnie and a glass of quite acceptable Portugese plonk served by someone with "weight in proportion to height" and a little bit of manners included, the little things make me happy sometimes
coz I remember how it used to be. Having said that , I am grateful that the Pirates like RYR have forced the TAP's etc to make it affordable, so lets also maintain a sense of reality here.
Really, as a pax, I am wholeheartedly in agreement with you . . . . avoid if you can find an alternative
will they learn ? will the leopard change his spots ? Time will tell. . . . isn't life interesting ?
Fly well.
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Why do you want to book 10 mths in advance anyhow ? as long as you leave 1 or 2 months ahead to book it will normally be fairly cheap anyhow ?
Incidentally, punctuating with so many smileys is simply retarded. Please desist as any serious point you make is lost when the background appears to be done in crayon by an infant.
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While watching the Lions last weekend over a few beers we were discussing the trip, one or two people mentioned the fact that Aer Lingus and BA might not be around next May so we should consider carefully which airline we choose, we have a number of other options, Air France direct, LH via FRA, BMI to LHR and the tunnel, and several other possibilities.
talk over beer with the lads you have to be a D4 rugger bugger! I've lost respect for any further opinions you post...
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I think in this instance it was my excesses he objected to 
As you say, astonishing what some people can be bothered to comment on
Oh, well, it takes all types to populate the planet I guess,
Vive le difference, or some other froggy saying
As you say, astonishing what some people can be bothered to comment on
Oh, well, it takes all types to populate the planet I guess,
Vive le difference, or some other froggy saying
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I would imagine that the cc charge itself is not illegal
I think you'll find it is actually an "administration fee" and not a "credit card fee" as it applies to debit cards as well.
Try booking tickets to with Ticketmaster for a Take That concert and see how much their "admin fee" is, and they won't give you it free if you use an electron card.
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Based on these figures it makes perfect business sense to reduce the size of the fleet at Dublin but blaming it on the new tax or anything else is simply disingenuous
Ireland --- Europe traffic is UP [Yippee for Ryanair]
Ireland --- Transatlantic is DOWN [Ryanair don't care]
Ireland --- UK is DOWN [Ryanair presevere while Aer Lingus, BMI, Aer Arann suffer]
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What really hacks me off is that RYR's booking engine does not recognise my Visa debit card and so I have to declare it as a Visa credit card and apy an extra cost. Easyjet recognises my Visa debit card. I have no reply to my queries from RYR about this. Does anyone have any similar experiences and offer any solutions?
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Credit vs debit vs Electron
There is no difference in service amount charged between Visa credit and Visa debit cards. The only card type currently without service charge is Visa Electron.
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Bengt: The last time I tried to book a RYR flight the difference between Visa DEBIT & Visa CREDIT card was about 4 euros: credit card being more expensive. RYR did not recognise my card number as a DEBIT card. Everyone else does. That is my gripe. The money goes from my a/c directly with little or no charge from my bank. RYR are conning me. Full Stop.
Now; does anyone else have the same problem and any solutions? I know about the electron card route and its difficulty. I want a REAL solution. Interestingly, on HardTalk, on BBC, the interview with MOL discussed credit card charges. MOL deflected the argument by bringing up the possibility of free use with Electron. Sadly the BBC had not done their research and did not counter with the argment about how difficult it is for UK & non-UK pax to obtain such a card. Thus a stealth tax of which G.B. would be proud. It will drip feed into all airlines and be a cancer on the internet booking culture, just as baggage charges and reservation charges have done.
Imagine if MOL's philosophy was copied by cinemas, theatres, restaurants etc. Life would be intolerable, and I'm sure there would be a massive public revolt and governments would become involved.
What is so sacred about airlines that they can operate in such a fashion?
Now; does anyone else have the same problem and any solutions? I know about the electron card route and its difficulty. I want a REAL solution. Interestingly, on HardTalk, on BBC, the interview with MOL discussed credit card charges. MOL deflected the argument by bringing up the possibility of free use with Electron. Sadly the BBC had not done their research and did not counter with the argment about how difficult it is for UK & non-UK pax to obtain such a card. Thus a stealth tax of which G.B. would be proud. It will drip feed into all airlines and be a cancer on the internet booking culture, just as baggage charges and reservation charges have done.
Imagine if MOL's philosophy was copied by cinemas, theatres, restaurants etc. Life would be intolerable, and I'm sure there would be a massive public revolt and governments would become involved.
What is so sacred about airlines that they can operate in such a fashion?
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ryanair colourscheme
guys in flew back from ibiza this am ryanair landed as we waited to take off, funny colourscheme stripes on tail with ryanair over it???? any ideas
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Why it is difficult to get Visa Electron? Don't you have any banks that care out there? In Lithuania you just ask for one using internet banking or in person at any branch office and then go to collect it a few days later. It costs about 5 pounds per year. Every bank has them. The only minor problem that only one of major banks gives permission to use them on internet but those who care know which bank to chose.