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you'll know that both of these airports are glorified shopping centres
But I with my full 10kg carry on luggage, won't be buying anything in the shops, because Ryanair say I have to stuff whatever I buy in the shops into my carry on luggage.
Agree with airline for a very small fee that passenger purchases made up to 30 minutes before departure are loaded onto plane as check in baggage / carry on handed to passenger at landing.
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Purchases Air Freighted and delivered to customers door within 24 - 48 hours.
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Agree with airline for a very small fee
No entiendo nada.
Just force the airlines* to let the passengers make purchases and bring them on board for free like before or like it is with other airlines... That's the best way airports can make money out of the shops.
* The EU should modify the existing duty-free-shopping law to stipulate that airlines are obliged to allow passengers transport goods purchased airside for free.
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Ryanair say I have to stuff whatever I buy in the shops into my carry on luggage.
I'm confused about this one. IIRC, they had noticed plastered all over PSA last week saying the allowance was +duty free purchases (and as these bags aren't sealed, unlike at US airports, guess you could always stuff in an extra umbrella?).I don't know the figures, but I would guess that a fairly large proportion of pre-flight in-airport spend is made up of consumables or currency, which wouldn't present such an issue anyway.
Steve, agree about DXB, but had never rated CGN as much of a shopping mall. Lovely design though, but in terms of revenue, there is always going to be an element of self-defeat when you have a flashy ICE station on site, so you effectively discourage people to park. I guess a decent public transport plan is effectively part of an S106 or equivalent for development, but in terms of ancilliary revenue, I would guess that airports would rather charge people to alight at their stations, rather than let in people by train who pay no extra fare (a la BHX etc). Perhaps JFK & EWR havethe right idea here - charge people to use the people mover to get to the terminal?
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Lets just say some FR airports and agents are better at following the rules then others, makes it very difficult for some airports though who then face mroe arguments from angry PAX who said that this is not the way it is from their originating airport.
Personally, I think FR need to reassess this situation. Duty Free (one bag) should be allowed in addition to hand luggage. However - realisticly say 40% of the flight purchased duty free - think how much weight this going to add and more fuel that will burn?? Multiply that up to 68 million pax a year, thats got to be a lot of extra fuel burned due to that extra bottle of vodka from tax free shopping!
Personally, I think FR need to reassess this situation. Duty Free (one bag) should be allowed in addition to hand luggage. However - realisticly say 40% of the flight purchased duty free - think how much weight this going to add and more fuel that will burn?? Multiply that up to 68 million pax a year, thats got to be a lot of extra fuel burned due to that extra bottle of vodka from tax free shopping!
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yields are becoming less important to FR - MOL wants to lower the average fare, they can do this, as they constantly keep lowering their cost base, ie reduced handling charges due to less check in desks/ramp agents etc. LF is more important to FR in this recession, and the cheapest seats will not be widely available on the peak routes ie alc agp pmi......
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FR in SNN has nearly collapsed for the winter '09/10. Faro, Malaga and Tenerife once a week. Krakow, lodz and wroclaw, nantes, carcassone, girona, murcia, alicante, weeze, milan, palma de mallorca and treviso ALL gone. UK regional and London airports remain in tact more or less. Beauvais remains. There's very little in SNN to talk about now. SAA (aka DAA) will be licking their wounds a good bit unless they've got other operators up their sleeves.
FR in SNN has nearly collapsed for the winter '09/10. Faro, Malaga and Tenerife once a week. Krakow, lodz and wroclaw, nantes, carcassone, girona, murcia, alicante, weeze, milan, palma de mallorca and treviso ALL gone. UK regional and London airports remain in tact more or less. Beauvais remains. There's very little in SNN to talk about now.
You don't have to like your biggest customer but pissing them off is not a good idea.
SNN will have to make severe cutbacks in manning levels.
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RACEDO. You're very right. However, I wonder though do SAA have other operators lined up to come in to operate some of the routes that are gone? Some of the UK regional routes are gone like LBA and others have been cut back. Perhaps Flybe with smaller a/c would better suit those routes and make some money.
I'm surprised at the Malaga, Faro, Murcia and Tenerife routes mind as I've been on some of those flights and they're nearly always full whether it was during the winter or summer. I'm up and down to FAO many times during the year and so are friends and family of mine and they say the same. I hear the same about Malaga too. So you can understand my utter surprise at this. Although MOL has been smart enough to not pull off these routes completely I do think he was foolish to reduce them to once a week.
Every airline is paying the taxes on these routes whether you're flying from DUB, NOC, ORK or SNN so he's talking through his hat. He's too many a/c and more to come and not enough pilots. As consumers we don't like the taxes but you'd swear that MOL was paying the taxes himself. The reason he's pulling out of SNN is that his agreement with SAA is drawing to a close this winter and he want the agreement to stay. Baby and rattle out of cot syndrome. The sooner there is a level playing field we'll hopefully see more operators coming back into SNN. Is it any wonder that BRAL and Flybe pulled off the UK regional?
I'm surprised at the Malaga, Faro, Murcia and Tenerife routes mind as I've been on some of those flights and they're nearly always full whether it was during the winter or summer. I'm up and down to FAO many times during the year and so are friends and family of mine and they say the same. I hear the same about Malaga too. So you can understand my utter surprise at this. Although MOL has been smart enough to not pull off these routes completely I do think he was foolish to reduce them to once a week.
Every airline is paying the taxes on these routes whether you're flying from DUB, NOC, ORK or SNN so he's talking through his hat. He's too many a/c and more to come and not enough pilots. As consumers we don't like the taxes but you'd swear that MOL was paying the taxes himself. The reason he's pulling out of SNN is that his agreement with SAA is drawing to a close this winter and he want the agreement to stay. Baby and rattle out of cot syndrome. The sooner there is a level playing field we'll hopefully see more operators coming back into SNN. Is it any wonder that BRAL and Flybe pulled off the UK regional?
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Krakow, lodz and wroclaw, nantes, carcassone, girona, murcia, alicante, weeze, milan, palma de mallorca and treviso ALL gone.
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EISNN, you are such a scream - you should have your own comedy show on Clare FM with your looking for a level playing for snn and your wondering why FlyBe and BRAL left the midwest.
You are cracking me up, you really are!
You are cracking me up, you really are!
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Tom I'm not looking for a slagging match. If you can't show some respect fair enough. but don't try to make a joke of me or some one who is trying to make a contribution to the thread.
What I'm saying is that SAA gave MOL and FR excellent and very attractive deals for landing aircraft into SNN. The deal was for 5 years. The deal is nearly over. In the last five or six years SNN has lost a load of operators who used to fly into SNN but the SAA/FR deal wasn't extended to them so they left. Flybe, Easyjet and BRAL as far as I can remember. What's left with SNN now is one large operator on nearly all routes and wants to pull off them cos he's not happy with the agreement that he signed and was delighted with 5 years ago. That's where I'm talking about a level playing field. There used to be one and now there isn't until perhaps the end of winter '09/'10.
Sorry if you find that amusing Tom the Tenor.
What I'm saying is that SAA gave MOL and FR excellent and very attractive deals for landing aircraft into SNN. The deal was for 5 years. The deal is nearly over. In the last five or six years SNN has lost a load of operators who used to fly into SNN but the SAA/FR deal wasn't extended to them so they left. Flybe, Easyjet and BRAL as far as I can remember. What's left with SNN now is one large operator on nearly all routes and wants to pull off them cos he's not happy with the agreement that he signed and was delighted with 5 years ago. That's where I'm talking about a level playing field. There used to be one and now there isn't until perhaps the end of winter '09/'10.
Sorry if you find that amusing Tom the Tenor.
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"Ryanair's winter timetables are getting loaded to the booking engine as I type...
Shannon, Dublin, Charleroi, Bristol, Belfast..."
Little change at BHD except BRS up to 2X daily, a sensible move.
Shannon, Dublin, Charleroi, Bristol, Belfast..."
Little change at BHD except BRS up to 2X daily, a sensible move.
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Liverpool Based Aircraft
The NWAN Forum has a section on based aircraft which is up-dated by local enthusiasts
See: North West Air News - EGGP Based Airliners
Hope this helps
Steve
See: North West Air News - EGGP Based Airliners
Hope this helps
Steve
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FR and SNN
It was obvious even in 2005 that the nature of the deal with Ryanair would drive the competition out and that's exactly what's happened. That's why Cork and Dublin will not offer a similar deal to Ryanair or any other low cost airline as they know it will simply undermine their existing business and revenue.
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FR plans to double the number of passengers in Germany in the next 5 years (20m per year) and will add 4 more German destinations.
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