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No-shows are the best PAX. The airline has no charges to pass on to taxman or airport. In Winter the airline depends on them for a profit as the margins on those who fly is low.
It was interesting when I followed the rise and fall of Silverjet that the CAA data showed a lot more PAX then the airlines reported load factor. I guess RYA never flys extras for free!
The stockmarket only sees the load factor for seats sold not how full the planes are in the air. selling seats that are not used are good for share price.
The replacement of Airport dep tax with a per plane tax may change things. The marinal cost of empty seats will drop and RYA taxes and charges will change.
It was interesting when I followed the rise and fall of Silverjet that the CAA data showed a lot more PAX then the airlines reported load factor. I guess RYA never flys extras for free!
The stockmarket only sees the load factor for seats sold not how full the planes are in the air. selling seats that are not used are good for share price.
The replacement of Airport dep tax with a per plane tax may change things. The marinal cost of empty seats will drop and RYA taxes and charges will change.
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Pax can be put on standby at the airport, they can buy this fare at the local ticket desk on the day of departure. Maximum amount 15 people. Theres an order in which standbys must be given seats, starting with disrupted pax and ending with staff standby.
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Both flights from BGY to CIA on Monday 22nd are sold out. FR must be profiteering from Alitalia's situation. I think they are ready to stand in for AZ if it stopped flying, but how fast and to what extent?
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FR said that they will park 20 aircrafts this winter. If AZ disappears (what I don't believe when I see the italian government) FR maybe use these aircrafts for the italian market. But notice that AZ had nearly 2 million passengers in this summer each month with a fleet of over 140 aircrafts (+30 aircrafts Alitalia Express). A huge market where FR can participate but only a little bit.
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Should Alitalia go, and Ryanair were able to put the 20 "grounded" aircraft into service they would probably carry 700,000 in a month using these aircraft based on Ryanair's average load factor and they would probably fill empty seats on existing flights in and out of Italy. Ryanair could probab;y carry an extra 1 million passengers a month.
If Alitalia only carries 2 million a month using 140 aircraft, including long haul flights, it show how poor the Italian carrier' load factors are! On that basis I think very few passsengers will miss them.
If Alitalia only carries 2 million a month using 140 aircraft, including long haul flights, it show how poor the Italian carrier' load factors are! On that basis I think very few passsengers will miss them.
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AZ July: 1.86m -21.9% LF: 75.3% (-4.3 p.p)
http://files.aea.be/News/PR/Pr08-030.pdf
But for sure EZY and also LH and AF/KL are waiting, too.
http://files.aea.be/News/PR/Pr08-030.pdf
But for sure EZY and also LH and AF/KL are waiting, too.
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But for sure EZY and also LH and AF/KL are waiting, too.
But none of the above will offer 1 euro flights with no tax !
if AZ do go under, watch FR move from BGY to MXP or
set up in MXP as well as BGY
But none of the above will offer 1 euro flights with no tax !
if AZ do go under, watch FR move from BGY to MXP or
set up in MXP as well as BGY
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Not so fast, gentlemen! One of Ryanair's principal rules has obviously been: no deal - no flights and certainly no base. Last year FR already wanted to invest some money and to establish a base at MXP expecting ''greater efficiency and lower prices'', this offer was turned down by the airport authority. Of course the environment has changed since, but for the reaction on part of SEA (running both Malpensa and Linate ) we will have to wait and it won't necessary be much different. Moreover, Ryanair will be reluctant to move some operations from CIA to FCO (every road leads to Rome) and I don't think it will be granted more slots in Ciampino even now.
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You are right, But as you say things have change at MXP
or should I say may change at MXP.
I dont see FR wanting to move from CIA to FCO as CIA is closer
to the City or Rome and FR get a very good deal at CIA and dont
need anything FCO have to offer, like connections to longhaul
destinations.
however one thing is for sure, If AZ goes under we will see alot
of domestic Italian routes announced from many Italian Airports.
or should I say may change at MXP.
I dont see FR wanting to move from CIA to FCO as CIA is closer
to the City or Rome and FR get a very good deal at CIA and dont
need anything FCO have to offer, like connections to longhaul
destinations.
however one thing is for sure, If AZ goes under we will see alot
of domestic Italian routes announced from many Italian Airports.
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Change your name before flying FR!
Once again very bad press around Ryanair, this time in Sweden (it could concern any traveller from Northern countries, though). FR has been flying to Scandinavia for so many years, but still pretends to be unaware of the severe glitch in its booking system. If your name is Andersson, it will be accepted. But what about Ulrika Örtegren-Kärjenmäki for example? No way. First, it's too long and will be truncated. Even worse, the Scandinavian characters (like ä, å, ö) will NOT be accepted... or they will, but the barcode boarding cards will not work.
And that happens. Last week, Mrs. Örtegren-Kärjenmäki has been stopped for the first time in Stockholm Skavsta, but they instantly knew how to handle this (of course). Well, at STN they didn't. The flight departed without the passenger and her daughter, they had to book a hotel room and... would you believe? They had to buy new expensive tickets next day. The Swedish press has asked Ryanair's European communications director how such things could ever happen. - We deeply regret that Mrs Örtegren-Kärjenmäki was not allowed to pass through security checks, answered Daniel de Carvalho asking Mrs. Örtgren-Kärjenmäki to contact the customer service, but he wasn't able to confirm that she would get back the money she had to spend for new plane tickets and an extra hotel night.
You might imagine the reader's reactions. Does FR really need such publicity? Does this kind of hostile attitude really pay? And an other bad feature of FR booking software. I never use Scandinavian letters (to avoid the problem), but many customers are constantly frustrated also here in Finland, this issue should have been addressed years ago.
And that happens. Last week, Mrs. Örtegren-Kärjenmäki has been stopped for the first time in Stockholm Skavsta, but they instantly knew how to handle this (of course). Well, at STN they didn't. The flight departed without the passenger and her daughter, they had to book a hotel room and... would you believe? They had to buy new expensive tickets next day. The Swedish press has asked Ryanair's European communications director how such things could ever happen. - We deeply regret that Mrs Örtegren-Kärjenmäki was not allowed to pass through security checks, answered Daniel de Carvalho asking Mrs. Örtgren-Kärjenmäki to contact the customer service, but he wasn't able to confirm that she would get back the money she had to spend for new plane tickets and an extra hotel night.
You might imagine the reader's reactions. Does FR really need such publicity? Does this kind of hostile attitude really pay? And an other bad feature of FR booking software. I never use Scandinavian letters (to avoid the problem), but many customers are constantly frustrated also here in Finland, this issue should have been addressed years ago.
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Again and again. This one will start on Wednesday, presumably. With the crude oil prices rallying (spiked more than $25 a barrel today) it's a dangerous game. There are better ways to fill the planes... well, not being a grumbler, I'll stop here.
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i'm delighted..going to get some very cheap seats for my week off in November... 
gonna go city hopping(or whichever "airport 50 miles from the city" hopping). Don't care though. Hotels are cheap too at the moment. Win win for the consumer imo.
gonna go city hopping(or whichever "airport 50 miles from the city" hopping). Don't care though. Hotels are cheap too at the moment. Win win for the consumer imo.
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Was checking the Ryanair website for seat available from Derry and found this, don't if it new routes from derry or a mistake.
http://www.ryanair.com/site/notices/grids/grid_IE.pdf
http://www.ryanair.com/site/notices/grids/grid_IE.pdf
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i'm delighted..going to get some very cheap seats for my week off in November...
I booked BOH -EDI for 6th Nov - Day return for 0.2p all in now thats good.
Why is is so difficult to accept a change in the style of thinking? No-one can win the battle using constantly just one and the same weapon (prices), neglecting everything else. How many more passengers one can get by lowering the fares from 5 euro/pounds to one cent/penny? And what is the profit from having more and more those guys who just hunt for free flights? It is a good "catch" for marketing, but again, not as the only solution.
If a traveller living in, say, Salzburg, wants to visit Paris, he wants to get there and only THERE. Checking different offers, possibly looking at FR as well? Sure. But as long as Ryanair can offer him flights to Dublin or Stansted for 1 cent, but not anywhere near Paris - it will not influence him, it doesn't matter. He will spend 200 or 300 euros and will fly with a legacy carrier to get to HIS destination, not to one of the two Ryanair wants him to go. The sole worst self-implemented limitation FR has is nothing else than the famous point-to-point system without any options. Having so many destinations in its network FR could become a real challenger for many legacy carriers (having some connecting flights as an addition to the point-to-point majority of flights), especially with its true low-cost base... Nope, it's better to ground planes and sell flights for nothing.
