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Old 16th Dec 2008, 14:10
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Ryanair - Bags

Fly regulary with FR to Aarhus.

Overhead luggage bins are heaving with Bags, especailly out bound as the Danes like the cheaper shopping in London.

Correct me if I am wrong but don't the hand baggage rules change in early January 2009 to permit two bags (or 1 bag plus a laptop bag)

If they do board early and find a space in the overhead bins for your carry on. Due to the small seat pitch it's difficult to put any bags under the seat in front

Interesting times ahead?
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Old 16th Dec 2008, 14:28
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There is a rumour about FRAPORT increasing charges and a announcement on 18th Dec. FR could move to ZQW where FR started flights to STN this winter. But for sure: FRAPORT is not satisfied with HHN and something is going on.
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FRAPORT is not satisfied with HHN and something is going on.
Pressure from LH perhaps ?
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Originally Posted by Sikpupi
New Tax at HHN????? Tell us more....googled it and found nothing.
It has been a rumour, but now you can already find an official FR response... to the rumour(!!!) - in German (on ryanair.de).
Frankfurt-Hahn: Zusätzliche Passagiergebühren haben Streckenstreichungen zur Folge

Dublin / Frankfurt-Hahn, 16. Dezember 2008: Als Reaktion auf die heutigen Gerüchte über eine demnächst anfallende passagierbezogene Terminalgebühr am Flughafen Frankfurt-Hahn, verkündete Ryanair, Europas größte Low Fare Airline, heute, dass sie in der Folge zur Schließung von Strecken und damit zur Reduzierung der Passagierzahl am Flughafen Frankfurt-Hahn gezwungen wäre, sollte der Flughafenbetreiber diese Gebühren einführen.
Ryanair betonte, dass Fluggäste extrem preissensitiv geworden wären. Die gesunkenen Passagierzahlen in Großbritannien und den Niederlanden seit der dortigen Einführung der so genannten ’Travel Tax’ beziehungsweise ’Ecotax’ würden die Konsequenzen aufzeigen.
Frankfurt-Hahn sei eine von nur zwei Ryanair-Basen, wo die Iren Verluste machen würden. Die Airline hob hervor, dass Passagiere, die den Flughafen Frankfurt-Hahn wählen, sicherlich nicht gewillt seien, weitere Gebühren zu bezahlen. Ryanair habe am Flughafen Frankfurt-Hahn seine durchschnittlichen Ticketpreise bereits um 15 bis 20 Prozent reduziert, um die Passagiere trotz der schwierigen wirtschaftlichen Lage weiterhin zu animieren, vom Hunsrück aus zu verreisen.

Michael Cawley, Deputy Chief Executive Officer bei Ryanair, erklärte denn auch:

Normalerweise kommentieren wir keine Gerüchte oder Spekulationen. Jedoch würde die Auferlegung einer ‚Terminal-Benutzungsgebühr‘ in Frankfurt-Hahn direkte Auswirkungen auf den Ryanair-Flugbetrieb an diesem Standort haben. Wenn eine solche Gebühr eingeführt werden würde, würden zahlreiche Strecken schlichtweg nicht mehr wirtschaftlich betrieben werden können – und müssten wohl zwangsläufig eingestellt werden. Der Verlust dieser Strecken würde sich stark negativ auf die Verkehrszahlen auf dem Hunsrück auswirken, den Passagieren die Auswahl an Strecken nehmen wie auch den Zugang zu den günstigen Tarifen. Und auch der Verlust von tausenden direkter wie indirekter Arbeitsplätze am Flughafen wie angrenzender Arbeitsfelder würde die Folge sein.
Daher bitten wir den Flughafen-Vorstand dringend, sich die verheerenden Folgen der Kostenerhöhung in Großbritannien und den Niederlanden anzusehen, damit in Frankfurt-Hahn nicht die gleichen Fehler begangen werden.“
Briefly: Answering to today's rumours about a forthcoming passenger terminal fee at Frankfurt-Hahn Airport, Ryanair affirms that the introduction of these charges would result in the closure of routes and the reduction of passenger numbers there.
The passengers became extremely price-sensitive and one can observe the consequences as in Britain and the Netherlands after the introduction of so-called 'travel' or 'ecotax'.

Hahn has been one of only two Ryanair bases, where the Irish airline's activities were loss-making. Normally FR do not comment on rumours or speculation. However, the implementation of a terminal charge in Frankfurt-Hahn would have a direct impact on the Ryanair flight operations at this location. With such a fee, many routes simply could not be operated, meaning job-losses in HHN.

Therefore Ryanair's Cawley asks the Airport Board to re-consider and do not repeat the mistakes made in Britain and the Netherlands... "

The translation might be deficient, but neither German nor English is my native language, sorry.
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Frankfurt Hahn

how many FR aircraft based there?

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Last summer 11 a/c this winter round about 8 a/c. The tax should be 3€ for using the terminal. If the tax comes FR will cut routes and jobs.
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Ryanair wins Belgian aid appeal

Budget airline Ryanair does not have to repay a subsidy it got to encourage it to stay at Charleroi airport in Belgium, a European court has ruled.

The court upheld Ryanair's challenge against the European Commission, saying EU officials had made a mistake.

In 2004, the European Commission had said 4m euros of incentives paid to Ryanair had been illegal state aid.

Ryanair said the ruling "clarifies that the low cost airports model works and does not involve state aid".

It urged the Commission to dismiss complaints against other small airports.

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The European Court of First Instance said that the deal between the Walloon region and Ryanair should have been considered as a private commercial deal.

"By entering into the first agreement with Ryanair the Walloon region carried out activities of an economic nature," it said.

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Edit: And the comment by MOL:
Today’s decision is great news for Charleroi, competition, consumers and low cost airports across Europe. Ryanair now calls on the EU Commission to drop their other State Aid cases against similar regional and secondary airports (Alghero, Aarhus, Bratislava, Frankfurt Hahn, Hamburg Lubeck, Pau, Berlin Schonefeld and Tampere), most of which have been brought to the Commission by larger competitor airports who are trying to block competition and lower fares.

“Ryanair will be using today’s pro-consumer decision by the CFI to call for an early meeting with DG Transport. We believe that now is the time for Ryanair and the EU Commission to build a better working relationship based on a shared objective of “putting consumers first” so that European’s largest international airline can work closely with Europe’s Transport Commission to promote and develop more low fare flights, more choice and competition, more regional and secondary airports, more jobs, and much more traffic and tourism growth for the benefit of European integration and all of Europe’s citizens. Today’s decision shows that both the Commission and Ryanair has made mistakes in the past, so it is time for Ryanair and the Commission to stop fighting, and we sincerely hope that the CFI ruling can be the catalyst for Ryanair and the EU Commission to work together to put Europe’s consumers first
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Old 17th Dec 2008, 21:12
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It's a little rich for Ryanair to be portraying itself as "pro-consumer", isn't it. There can be no airline that cares less about its customers than Ryanair does.
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Old 17th Dec 2008, 22:24
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they look at what FR doing in relation to additional fees and then couple of months later they introduce them in another way
Indeed
Thank you Ryanair
The customer champion

Everybody in the industry knew that bag charge/cc fees/airport check in etc increased as the fuel price increased, but since majors reduced in huge proportion their fuel surcharges, I am still waiting Ryanair to reduce their extra non sense huge luggage/cc fees
Usual ryanair bull****
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I did not know that Ryanair is getting subsidies from all those airports. It is clearer now where all those "free" tickets come from.

And to think that it strongly objects to subsidies to other airlines! What an hypocrisy.

To my humble opinion, the court ruling will be overturned, to an appeals court, as it is shaky on purely legal grounds. The Waloon region is not a private entity to conduct activities of economic nature, at will. It must observe EU rules as any other government regional or national.
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@ michaël SWS :
Ryanair cares about its customers in the best way : by offering them low fares and excellent ponctuality.
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coquelet; and yet people still go to almost any lengths to avoid flying FR. Load factors way down and yield non existent, costumers can be so ungrateful,can't they?
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EU court ruling could have bearing on dispute over Tampere-Pirkkala Airport - writes an English-language business newspaper from Helsinki.
"A ruling by the Court of First Instance of the European Union could have bearing on a dispute between the European Commission and Finnish aviation officials concerning the Tampere-Pirkkala Airport. The European Commission is currently looking into whether or not Ryanair has benefited from illegal state support to help it set up at Terminal 2 [there].
Also under investigation is if the support received by the state-owned Finavia, which runs Finland’s airports, and its subsidiary Airpro, for changes at the second terminal were proper.

In Wednesday’s ruling, the court found that Belgium had not given Ryanair any support that a private investor might not have given in a similar situation. Finavia has put forward a similar argument.
Finavia Director-General Samuli Haapasalo says that the significant matter is that the “business case is well founded”.
“The business activities have constantly been on the plus side, even though the situation has become challenging in recent times”, he says.
Haapasalo says that other airlines are welcome to use the modest second terminal at Pirkkala. In his view, the special arrangements with Ryanair have not deprived the first terminal of any business.

Finavia’s papers have been under examination by investigators of the European Commission throughout the autumn. Next, officials of the Commission will be making calculations of their own in the matter.
A decision is expected early next year. What is significant, is how much the return expected by ordinary private investors in Pirkkala’s Second Terminal differs from the yield that Ryanair is getting now.
“The difference in business profit is between a few per cent, to more than ten”, Haapasalo says.

On Wednesday, representatives of Ryanair called on the Commission to drop its investigations into Tampere-Pirkkala Airport, and those of several other airports.
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Ryanair cares about its customers in the best way : by offering them low fares
Some people thought MOL magnanimity is their benefactor. It gets clearer trhat some dumb taxpayers are footing ther bill.

Honestly, really honestly, I WAS wondering what was the magic behind those "free tickets". Now I know. Simple subsidy. Period.

As for calls for EU to drop similar cases, it reminds Ryanair cheering on touch-down through the speakers, about the perceived "punctuality" of arrival. Nothing close to reality. Nothing important to listen carefully.
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New passenger fee at Hahn leads to route cancellations - says Ryanair.

Dublin, Frankfurt Hahn, 18 December 2008: Ryanair, Europe's largest low fare airline, confirmed today that the introduction of a new passenger fee of three euros for departing passengers at Frankfurt-Hahn Airport from the 2nd Quarter of 2009 will lead to the decrease of aircraft stationed there as well as numerous route cancellations/reductions.

More in German.
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Charleroi to Charleroi

Ryanair will make a massive change to its route network next year. In response to new taxes and fees the airline will scrap all existing routes. 10 planes will service a new Charleroi to Charleroi sight seeing route taking off every 10 minutes that will operate free of charge due to Charleroi subsidy and a £100 credit card fee.

In 2010 Ryanair will buy the bankrupt Boeing and airbus on the cheap to stop any one else getting new planes. All Ryanair airframes will be sold to china at a profit and MOL will retire from Ryanair to go and work in PR.
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Old 18th Dec 2008, 15:44
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Fr Fees

Once again a rise in fees -


£10 airport check in at the airport
£20 airport bag

Half price when prebooked

£5 airport priority boarding or £4 online

£15 per KG, everything over 15KG
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Old 18th Dec 2008, 20:24
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usual Ryanair no brain solution to quickly increase their revenue as they are not abble to do it with revenue management/new route/marketing etc

We are in a paradoxal situation that it is up to airports to subsidise Ryanair incompetency...

Ryanair, the low brain airline
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 05:49
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FR bitch to Hahn about increasing fees and how "sensitive" the issue is with the consumer, that the consumer won't fly if these fees are charged and on the other hand increase there own fees.
Well at least FR have a few more aircraft to sit on the tarmac. If they continue at this rate they'll have more aircraft on the ground than in the sky!!
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The price changes are apparently due to the fall in the value of the pound, FR being Irish and hence Euro.
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