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I see that in today's Cork Indepdent Ruinair are bemoaning the fact that they will probably drop around 100k passengers in Cork.
The paper dutifully regurgitates the propaganda that this is solely due to airport-side charges and the departure tax whilst ignoring that less folk are going to go on a jolly now that money is tight and that Ruinair themselves have added significant extra charges.
It's time that papers stopped dressing up press releases as "fact".
The paper dutifully regurgitates the propaganda that this is solely due to airport-side charges and the departure tax whilst ignoring that less folk are going to go on a jolly now that money is tight and that Ruinair themselves have added significant extra charges.
It's time that papers stopped dressing up press releases as "fact".
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Hello!
I'm new to this forum, but I've been searching for an answer for 4 months now and nobody knew anything about it. So I really hope that I've put my question in the right subfolder in the forum and thank you for all the help.
All I want to know is, if there will be a Ryanair flight connection from Barcelona (Girona) to Tenerife this summer? I've heard some rumors, but nothing precise yet and I really don't know what to do anymore, to receive this information, if it is still worth to wait or just to buy tickets somewhere else.
Last year I know that there was this connection, but as I heard, it was cancelled in October or November, but in the New Routes directory on Ryanair page, there isn't anything about it for these summer season.
If anybody knows anything I would really appreciate any help.
Thank you in advance.
I'm new to this forum, but I've been searching for an answer for 4 months now and nobody knew anything about it. So I really hope that I've put my question in the right subfolder in the forum and thank you for all the help.
All I want to know is, if there will be a Ryanair flight connection from Barcelona (Girona) to Tenerife this summer? I've heard some rumors, but nothing precise yet and I really don't know what to do anymore, to receive this information, if it is still worth to wait or just to buy tickets somewhere else.
Last year I know that there was this connection, but as I heard, it was cancelled in October or November, but in the New Routes directory on Ryanair page, there isn't anything about it for these summer season.
If anybody knows anything I would really appreciate any help.
Thank you in advance.
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Given that neither it nor Fuertaventura (whom they had a falling out with over charges ) are in the booking engine I wouldn't plan on it.
New routes tend to be available for booking well in advance of the start date rather than left to the last moment, to avoid early flights leaving empty obviously.
Of course there could be a last minute decision to operate there later in Summer, however given the popularity of the Canaries as a reasonably close Winter destination that is more likely, if at all.
I guess the longer sector length made it difficult to charge a profitable fare without a high headline figure, as the flights were certainly well utilised last year.
New routes tend to be available for booking well in advance of the start date rather than left to the last moment, to avoid early flights leaving empty obviously.
Of course there could be a last minute decision to operate there later in Summer, however given the popularity of the Canaries as a reasonably close Winter destination that is more likely, if at all.
I guess the longer sector length made it difficult to charge a profitable fare without a high headline figure, as the flights were certainly well utilised last year.
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I see that in today's Cork Indepdent Ruinair are bemoaning the fact that they will probably drop around 100k passengers in Cork.
The paper dutifully regurgitates the propaganda that this is solely due to airport-side charges and the departure tax whilst ignoring that less folk are going to go on a jolly now that money is tight and that Ruinair themselves have added significant extra charges.
It's time that papers stopped dressing up press releases as "fact".
The paper dutifully regurgitates the propaganda that this is solely due to airport-side charges and the departure tax whilst ignoring that less folk are going to go on a jolly now that money is tight and that Ruinair themselves have added significant extra charges.
It's time that papers stopped dressing up press releases as "fact".
Apparantly they also wanted to launch a Spanish destination from Cork but the CAA wouldn't give them a discount so they're thinking of launching it from Kerry instead. Since the CAA wouldn't give them a discount, I presume that the destination was either served from Cork already by an existing airline, or else it was to a close airport to an existing destination (e.g Girona vs. the Aer Lingus service to Barcelona El Prat). Well done to the CAA for protecting existing airlines, who we must remember are paying full charges. No point in giving Ryanair a discount and letting them undermine existing full paying services. If MOL wants a discount, he'll just have to launch to a new destination not served by an existing airline! Someone should remind MOL about the Kerry-Liverpool debacle the next time he threatens to move services from Cork to Kerry.
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Let MO'L do whatever he likes with his jets from Kerry or snn - he can go to Mars and back if he wants. Just remember when EI launched Cork-Madrid MO'L was quick in on the scene with spoiling tactics with a Madrid originating service to snn just to help scupper whatever chance the EI service had from Cork. It was not long before there was neither a Cork or snn service to Madrid.
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Well done to the CAA for protecting existing airlines
Cork needs to sort out its management and get into negotiations with airlines interested in expanding at the airport.. the more airlines and airplanes using the airport the more passengers through the airport and the more profit it can make...
Simple as.
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Ryanair and Cork
This latest press release is a rehash of the many that have been sent to the media over the years. It includes the tiresome tripe about wanting to use the old terminal at Cork and presumably pay lower charges to operate from it or better still no charges at all.
i presume they want the CAA to pay for the cost of operating 2 terminals. Aerlingus. BMI Baby, Aer Arann Wizz and Jet 2 might even move to the old terminal if the charges were lower and we could then rename the new terminal "The Red Elephant terminal".
i presume they want the CAA to pay for the cost of operating 2 terminals. Aerlingus. BMI Baby, Aer Arann Wizz and Jet 2 might even move to the old terminal if the charges were lower and we could then rename the new terminal "The Red Elephant terminal".
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the more airlines and airplanes using the airport the more passengers through the airport and the more profit it can make...
Simple as.
Simple as.
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the more airlines and airplanes using the airport the more passengers through the airport and the more profit it can make...
Simple as.
S Says Ryan Air !
No its not that simple. Very often people like Ryan Air pay no fees of any sort, or if they do, very little. Those airports that have a heavy reliance on low cost soon find that the low cost passenger spends very little in the building. So, with little or no income from landing fees or airline passenger charges, you have lots of aircraft hitting the deck (wear and tear on the runway which needs to be maintained), lots of people passing through the building / security (which has to be maintained / manned) but very little money coming in ! Passenger numbers look good but profit goes down.
Simple as.
S Says Ryan Air !
No its not that simple. Very often people like Ryan Air pay no fees of any sort, or if they do, very little. Those airports that have a heavy reliance on low cost soon find that the low cost passenger spends very little in the building. So, with little or no income from landing fees or airline passenger charges, you have lots of aircraft hitting the deck (wear and tear on the runway which needs to be maintained), lots of people passing through the building / security (which has to be maintained / manned) but very little money coming in ! Passenger numbers look good but profit goes down.
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People spending in airports
Stopend's point is vaild, but could be oversimplified. On no scientific basis at all, I would suggest holidaymakers will spend a lot at an airport because 'we're on holiday', business travellers may do because 'it's on expenses (and/or I'm quite well off anyway)' but those who have to travel through necessity, for example returning migratory workers, won't.
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Ryanair's operation at Shannon from 2005 resulted in a massive increase in passengers. However we now know that it was loss making from the start and that Shannon is also losing money.
Passengers are becoming increasingly averse to paying rip off prices for sandwiches and cups of tea.
So everyone loses when agreements are signed that are unsustainable.
Passengers are becoming increasingly averse to paying rip off prices for sandwiches and cups of tea.
So everyone loses when agreements are signed that are unsustainable.
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EI-EBT Boeing 737-800
Was at Dublin airport yesterday and was passing the runway area and stopped to take advantage of the view. It was about 5pm. A Ryanair 738 reg EI-EBT (quite new this year i think). It took off in such a short distance and I was amazed in fact. I am wondering perhaps the newer models are better at this than the older ones? I fly on 738s often when I use various airlines but this seemed shorter than usual. Perhaps the plane had a light load?
The airport was to be fair like a ghost town and amidst all the contruction of T2 I cant help but ponder who is going to use it? Aer Lingus apparently not and Ryanair not, and with many full service carriers pulling out who will be left to use it? Apart from that with Ryanair and Aer Lingus handling the large majority of movements one wonders...
The list of scheduled operators continues to decline, CSA has not withdrawn scheduled services, today (Monday) I just checked and 19 carriers will do scheduled service from Dublin. Outside of Aer Lingus, Aer Arann, Ryanair and Bmi these are
Air Baltic
Air France
Air Southwest
American
Continental
Delta
Flybe
Iberia
Luftansa
Luxair
Malev
Sas
Swiss
Turkish
US Airways ... all 15 airlines make up a total of 31 movements today!
Interesting numbers.
The airport was to be fair like a ghost town and amidst all the contruction of T2 I cant help but ponder who is going to use it? Aer Lingus apparently not and Ryanair not, and with many full service carriers pulling out who will be left to use it? Apart from that with Ryanair and Aer Lingus handling the large majority of movements one wonders...
The list of scheduled operators continues to decline, CSA has not withdrawn scheduled services, today (Monday) I just checked and 19 carriers will do scheduled service from Dublin. Outside of Aer Lingus, Aer Arann, Ryanair and Bmi these are
Air Baltic
Air France
Air Southwest
American
Continental
Delta
Flybe
Iberia
Luftansa
Luxair
Malev
Sas
Swiss
Turkish
US Airways ... all 15 airlines make up a total of 31 movements today!
Interesting numbers.
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People don't spend much at the airport : on arrival, they want to go to their destination as soon as possible - on departure, they don't have much time.
But an airport like Cork is for the profit of the whole region. The tourists that arrive at Cork will spend - first by buying a ticket on the Sylink bus, or by leasing a car, then in hotels, restaurants, shops, touristic attractions, museums, bookshops, excursions, etc.
Thus, it makes sense for Cork to bring as many people as possible, even if the airport itself does not make much profit.
But an airport like Cork is for the profit of the whole region. The tourists that arrive at Cork will spend - first by buying a ticket on the Sylink bus, or by leasing a car, then in hotels, restaurants, shops, touristic attractions, museums, bookshops, excursions, etc.
Thus, it makes sense for Cork to bring as many people as possible, even if the airport itself does not make much profit.
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Ryanair made clear that it wouldn't use the "gold plated" Terminal 2 at Dublin but when did Aer Lingus say they wouldn't? I thought Aer Lingus planned on being the biggest airline at the terminal which would go a long way in turning Dublin into a more effective hub for Aer Lingus.
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shamrock 350 , thanks for that. I thought that there was something about that of late... also thinking that Aer Lingus in the current climate will be anxious to watch costs.
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Coquelet, The problem is that Cork Airport has a commercial mandate.
It is not allowed make huge losses so that the region as a whole benefits. Shannon is also meant to operate on a commercial basis but of course Governments and airport authorities have been turning a blind eye to the losses incurred there for decades.
It is not allowed make huge losses so that the region as a whole benefits. Shannon is also meant to operate on a commercial basis but of course Governments and airport authorities have been turning a blind eye to the losses incurred there for decades.
Coquelet - I'm not entirely convinced by the argument that an airport should not run at a profit.
If tourists flying to a substantial city (and I refer only to foreign tourists, not PSO routes) on a long-established route in general aren't prepared to pay a fair price for the flight to cover its costs including that of the airport and add a little bit of profit... are they really likely to be spending that much when they arrive in Cork ?
A regional Govt needs to consider *profit* per tourist to the local area, rather than simply number of visiting cheapskates !
If tourists flying to a substantial city (and I refer only to foreign tourists, not PSO routes) on a long-established route in general aren't prepared to pay a fair price for the flight to cover its costs including that of the airport and add a little bit of profit... are they really likely to be spending that much when they arrive in Cork ?
A regional Govt needs to consider *profit* per tourist to the local area, rather than simply number of visiting cheapskates !