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Maybe something to do with keeping slots active, ready for longhaul
flights to use them in the future
flights to use them in the future
You obviously haven't been at Shannon any time recently. The place is like a ghost town at times. It is very rare that the airport ever operates to capacity!
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The extra Beauvais flights may well dilute the yield on the AF/City Jet flight from SNN to CDG.
There will be far too much capacity on Shannon Paris. My money is on City Jet blinking first.
There will be far too much capacity on Shannon Paris. My money is on City Jet blinking first.
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The extra Beauvais flights may well dilute the yield on the AF/City Jet flight from SNN to CDG.
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Ah the SNN bashing continues from the usual directions..
I'd have to agree with Charlie Roy. The difference in the two services to Paris is huge...on price alone the difference is massive...and aimed at two totally different markets.
I'd have to agree with Charlie Roy. The difference in the two services to Paris is huge...on price alone the difference is massive...and aimed at two totally different markets.
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It is likley that the new Spanish domestic routes are intended amongst other things to hasten the exit of Spanair from the market and at the same time further entrench RYR in Spain.
Spanair is already weakened by the disaster at Barajas and by the high speed rail link between Madrid and Barcelona which has decimated pax numbers on what was a lucrative city pair, not to mention economic recession in Spain.
I also expect to see more routes from Mad to Germany announced by RYR and on sale for next summer, to lessen Spanair's cash intake in the winter months. See Spanair route map for Germany compared to RYR today.
Smart tactics by RYR.
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Spanair is already weakened by the disaster at Barajas and by the high speed rail link between Madrid and Barcelona which has decimated pax numbers on what was a lucrative city pair, not to mention economic recession in Spain.
I also expect to see more routes from Mad to Germany announced by RYR and on sale for next summer, to lessen Spanair's cash intake in the winter months. See Spanair route map for Germany compared to RYR today.
Smart tactics by RYR.
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25 Birmingham Services Affected by Boeing Strike
Ryanair, Europes leading lowest fares airline, today (1st October) announced that due to strike action at Boeing it has had to cancel 25 return flights to/from Birmingham. As a direct result of this strike, which has delayed the delivery of new aircraft, Ryanair cannot now operate flights on 21 routes to/from Birmingham between 24th and 28th October (please see below for routes affected) as originally scheduled.
Passengers who were due to travel on these cancelled services will receive a full refund from Ryanair.
Passengers who were due to travel on these cancelled services will receive a full refund from Ryanair.
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Same in NRN: 20 routes from 27th to 29th October are canceled
"Ryanair, Europes leading low fares airline, today (1st October) announced that due to strike action at Boeing it has had to postpone the operation of 11 new routes from Dusseldorf (Weeze). As a direct result of this strike, which has delayed the delivery of new aircraft, Ryanair has had to cancel 20 return services to/from Dusseldorf (Weeze) which were due to operate on the 27th, 28th and 29th October (please see below for routes affected).
Passengers who were due to travel on these cancelled services will receive a full refund from Ryanair."
Passengers who were due to travel on these cancelled services will receive a full refund from Ryanair."
Düsseldorf To/ From
Dates Cancelled*
Ancona
27 Oct 08
Berlin
27 Oct 08
Birmingham
27, 28, 29 Oct 08
Dublin
27, 29 Oct 08
Gothenburg City
27, 29 Oct 08
Manchester
27, 28,29 Oct 08
Oslo (Torp)
27, 28, 29 Oct 08
Riga
27, 29 Oct 08
Faro (Algarve)
28 Oct 08
Santander
28 Oct 08
Tenerife South
28 Oct 08
Dates Cancelled*
Ancona
27 Oct 08
Berlin
27 Oct 08
Birmingham
27, 28, 29 Oct 08
Dublin
27, 29 Oct 08
Gothenburg City
27, 29 Oct 08
Manchester
27, 28,29 Oct 08
Oslo (Torp)
27, 28, 29 Oct 08
Riga
27, 29 Oct 08
Faro (Algarve)
28 Oct 08
Santander
28 Oct 08
Tenerife South
28 Oct 08
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Ryanair stunned by Spanish court decision
Ryanair was last night stunned to hear a Spanish court backed an online travel agent against its policy of only accepting flight bookings from its own website. Yesterday, a court in Madrid sided with Spanish online travel website Rumbo, who in August applied for an injunction to prevent the low-cost carrier from going ahead with its plans to cancel flight bookings made through third-party websites.
Ryanair stunned by Spanish court decision - Business News, Business - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
Madrid routes
I can understand why Ryanair wants to fly from Madrid to both Santiago and Palma.
The routes from Madrid to Alicante and Valencia can both be done by train in 3h30. In the past, when he's tried doing this kind of route, he's had to stop flying a few months later - presumably because the railway company can undercut on price and beat him on frequency without losing money.
Yes Ryanair have bases at VLC and ALC which makes it easier, but is Spanair-bashing really sufficient reason to fly MAD-VLC and MAD-ALC given that Ryanair will lose a lot of money in doing so ?
The routes from Madrid to Alicante and Valencia can both be done by train in 3h30. In the past, when he's tried doing this kind of route, he's had to stop flying a few months later - presumably because the railway company can undercut on price and beat him on frequency without losing money.
Yes Ryanair have bases at VLC and ALC which makes it easier, but is Spanair-bashing really sufficient reason to fly MAD-VLC and MAD-ALC given that Ryanair will lose a lot of money in doing so ?
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Madrid Routes...
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I think that the opportunity on MAD VLC & ALC is good. IB has a high frequency and not all of their traffic is transfer traffic.
Ryanair see routes like this one where a high fare national carrier operates as a honey pot with an opportunity to undercut the incumbent and still get a reasonable return.
In the case of ALC the timings are not really convenient for day tripping business traveller, so this tells me that MAD would not give them a knock down deal on slots on the route so perhaps they were offered a low price on off peak slots???
What are these routes that he had to stop like this one? Dublin Shannon is hardly a good comparison? London/Blackpool is hardly another good example as it was a new market? Alicante Madrid is well established with high volume.
Interesting comments nonetheless davidjohnson6
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I think that the opportunity on MAD VLC & ALC is good. IB has a high frequency and not all of their traffic is transfer traffic.
Ryanair see routes like this one where a high fare national carrier operates as a honey pot with an opportunity to undercut the incumbent and still get a reasonable return.
In the case of ALC the timings are not really convenient for day tripping business traveller, so this tells me that MAD would not give them a knock down deal on slots on the route so perhaps they were offered a low price on off peak slots???
In the past, when he's tried doing this kind of route, he's had to stop flying a few months later
Interesting comments nonetheless davidjohnson6
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MAD to VLC and ALC
In my humble opinion...
The example I'm thinking of in particular was Stansted - Brussels Charleroi. While Stansted is not central London and so can pick up customers from places like Cambridge and the general surrounding area, the Eurostar has a large chunk of the London-Brussels market. Ryanair was probably a bit cheaper but with 10 trains per day taking under 2h30 to a city centre it would be difficult to compete. The air route was started in June 2007 but has already been cancelled.
Easyjet used to fly Paris-Marseille - potentially a very good route with lots of business travellers, but not so great when the TGV runs in about 3h30. A route like Lille-Marseille takes about 4h45 by train so is probably long enough for Ryanair to be able to compete.
Ryanair doesn't offer easily changeable tickets and its systems don't integrate well to those used by business travel agents - making it really rather business unfriendly. The airline thus seems to be aiming at the leisure component of the market.
Because MAD is a large airport I doubt they offered Ryanair very cheap fees. Further, because it's a large airport it suffers from inevitable delays.
The only reasons I can see that MOL would choose these 2 routes are:
1) He's based too many planes / crew at VLC or ALC for local demand and needs to reposition to MAD each day.
2) As a spoiler against Spanair - neither Vueling nor Clickair fly these 2 routes. This can work if you're American Airlines putting a couple of planes between STN and NYC against Eos, but to really damage Spanair, MOL will need to deploy more planes - in the same way as Southwest is acting at Denver against Frontier.
The example I'm thinking of in particular was Stansted - Brussels Charleroi. While Stansted is not central London and so can pick up customers from places like Cambridge and the general surrounding area, the Eurostar has a large chunk of the London-Brussels market. Ryanair was probably a bit cheaper but with 10 trains per day taking under 2h30 to a city centre it would be difficult to compete. The air route was started in June 2007 but has already been cancelled.
Easyjet used to fly Paris-Marseille - potentially a very good route with lots of business travellers, but not so great when the TGV runs in about 3h30. A route like Lille-Marseille takes about 4h45 by train so is probably long enough for Ryanair to be able to compete.
Ryanair doesn't offer easily changeable tickets and its systems don't integrate well to those used by business travel agents - making it really rather business unfriendly. The airline thus seems to be aiming at the leisure component of the market.
Because MAD is a large airport I doubt they offered Ryanair very cheap fees. Further, because it's a large airport it suffers from inevitable delays.
The only reasons I can see that MOL would choose these 2 routes are:
1) He's based too many planes / crew at VLC or ALC for local demand and needs to reposition to MAD each day.
2) As a spoiler against Spanair - neither Vueling nor Clickair fly these 2 routes. This can work if you're American Airlines putting a couple of planes between STN and NYC against Eos, but to really damage Spanair, MOL will need to deploy more planes - in the same way as Southwest is acting at Denver against Frontier.
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Points taken and well made, but I still think that there is plenty of traffic for Ryanair to make a penny or two on this route.
Maybe he will up the frequency depending on how the competition react.
We will check in about this topic nearer to next summer and see what has materialised!
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Maybe he will up the frequency depending on how the competition react.
We will check in about this topic nearer to next summer and see what has materialised!
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something positive, at last
Almost stunned by the fact... well, FR did something very positive for its customers, of own accord! From today, a simple but useful travel rules change, very necessary indeed:
Way to go! 
Avoid Smelly Internet Cafes - Check In at Home
RYANAIR EXTENDS WEB CHECK-IN SERVICE
Ryanair, Europe’s largest lowest fares airline, today (6th Oct) extended its online check-in service from 5 days to 14 days (before travel) to allow more passengers to check-in for both outbound and return legs of their journey before leaving home.
Ryanair’s extended check-in will allow most passengers avoid the inconvenience of having to find a way to check-in online when they are abroad.
Speaking today, Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said:
“At Ryanair we are proud to be the number one European airline for customer care with the best punctuality, least lost bags and the fewest cancellations of any European airline. We continue to focus on the customer services passengers really want by delivering great service and the guarantee of Europe’s lowest fares and no fuel surcharge.
“From today passengers can check-in up to 14 days in advance of travel. This will reduce the inconvenience of having to use a computer and printer when abroad in order to check-in online and should help passengers avoid having to use smelly internet cafes”.
RYANAIR EXTENDS WEB CHECK-IN SERVICE
Ryanair, Europe’s largest lowest fares airline, today (6th Oct) extended its online check-in service from 5 days to 14 days (before travel) to allow more passengers to check-in for both outbound and return legs of their journey before leaving home.
Ryanair’s extended check-in will allow most passengers avoid the inconvenience of having to find a way to check-in online when they are abroad.
Speaking today, Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said:
“At Ryanair we are proud to be the number one European airline for customer care with the best punctuality, least lost bags and the fewest cancellations of any European airline. We continue to focus on the customer services passengers really want by delivering great service and the guarantee of Europe’s lowest fares and no fuel surcharge.
“From today passengers can check-in up to 14 days in advance of travel. This will reduce the inconvenience of having to use a computer and printer when abroad in order to check-in online and should help passengers avoid having to use smelly internet cafes”.
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FR: Passenger volumes UP, load factors DOWN
EZY: Passenger volumes UP, load factors UP
(LF in September EZY 86.9%, FR 84%)
Above all, I think FR has to do a few things to improve its image among the passengers (the check-in service improvements - one step in the right direction, waiting for more). And once again. If the carrier wants to have better load factors and yields serving many minor airports with poor catchment areas, they must decide to introduce some connecting flights. There's no other way.
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EZY: Passenger volumes UP, load factors UP
(LF in September EZY 86.9%, FR 84%)
Above all, I think FR has to do a few things to improve its image among the passengers (the check-in service improvements - one step in the right direction, waiting for more). And once again. If the carrier wants to have better load factors and yields serving many minor airports with poor catchment areas, they must decide to introduce some connecting flights. There's no other way.
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