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Flybe only operated Dash Q400s, BAe 146s and E195s prior to the BACON buyout. All the BACON aircraft will be phased out over the next 3 years (or so the plan goes) and replaced pretty much one for one with Dash Q400s. The E195 is being phased in as the BAe 146 is phased out.
Without digging out all the guff, I think the final fleet makeup is intended to be something like 66 Dash Q400s and 14 E195s. We already have 31 and 3 respectively.
Without digging out all the guff, I think the final fleet makeup is intended to be something like 66 Dash Q400s and 14 E195s. We already have 31 and 3 respectively.
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Possibly unlikely to ever be a crew base, and hence have it's own route network, but I would consider it reasonable to expect a few more links to existing Flybe bases. It may never amount to more than a handful of destinations though.
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Thanks, I always enjoy flying be it in a Cessna or somthing a bit bigger but its not often these days I disembark with a big stupid grin on my face. The power to weight ratio on the 145 must be somthing else to give it a performance like that or did I just get fustrated fighter pilots as flight crew that day.
Rob
Thanks, I always enjoy flying be it in a Cessna or somthing a bit bigger but its not often these days I disembark with a big stupid grin on my face. The power to weight ratio on the 145 must be somthing else to give it a performance like that or did I just get fustrated fighter pilots as flight crew that day.
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The pilot mentioned earlier was quite unlikely to have been an ex Rasher as very few have come out the other end of their Q400 training yet, and those are the ex Q300 crews that haven't left yet.
The IOM-MAN should be about a minute or two longer on a Q400, the extra seats will make for more lower priced tickets and you'll get far larger overhead bins with more room for yourself too.
Glad you liked the 145 though, nippy beast. The Q400 should be an enjoyable ride too, roomy with seriously too much power for it's own good, quite unlike a Q300..
The IOM-MAN should be about a minute or two longer on a Q400, the extra seats will make for more lower priced tickets and you'll get far larger overhead bins with more room for yourself too.
Glad you liked the 145 though, nippy beast. The Q400 should be an enjoyable ride too, roomy with seriously too much power for it's own good, quite unlike a Q300..
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Thanks for the info, looking forward to the Q400 already, a big thanks to all you guys and girls up front (and in the back) for many happy trips and hope to see a lot more of you in the future.
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so your suggesting that it would be a destination from another station via CWL is that correct?
Why don't you think Flybe would operate a base here? The word base has been used in the press release quite often.
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Why don't you think Flybe would operate a base here? The word base has been used in the press release quite often.
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MC ...How can you deduce from 1 reply extoling the virtues of SOP's that it would be hard work flying with me?! Do you believe SOP's are hard work?you probably have flown with me anyway & If it was hard work I would have expected some feedback from you as is the Company 'ethos' ...It's good to talk about these things don't you think?
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Anotherflapoperator -
I nearly made the same mistake as you with regard to Maude Charlee's post, but the ex-Rasher he was referring to was the Captain of the E145 on Frankfurt Cowboy's return journey from CDG to MAN, not the outbound DHC8-400.
The pilot mentioned earlier was quite unlikely to have been an ex Rasher as very few have come out the other end of their Q400 training yet, and those are the ex Q300 crews that haven't left yet.
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SOPs are just fine, just so long as you don't go adding your own items to the checklist. Stick to what's printed and you'll go just fine.
You may well have had the misfortune of my company by now too.
SOPs are just fine, just so long as you don't go adding your own items to the checklist. Stick to what's printed and you'll go just fine.
You may well have had the misfortune of my company by now too.
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Mathers,
Flybe's PR department refer to almost every new destination as a 'base'. Why? Who knows, but it is not correct from the point of view of it being a crewing base; ie, permanently based crew and aircraft. CWL is only a destination at the moment, and that is the way I would expect it to stay.
Flybe's PR department refer to almost every new destination as a 'base'. Why? Who knows, but it is not correct from the point of view of it being a crewing base; ie, permanently based crew and aircraft. CWL is only a destination at the moment, and that is the way I would expect it to stay.
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Flybe recently said their development strategy was about "joining the dots." CWL is now a dot.
Are they likely to join CWL with any of their other "dots" when they shortly anounce their winter schedules?
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Flybe Manchester farce
Now in Frankfurt but flew this morning from Manchester..... what a farce and never again. BA Connect were bad enough but this takes the biscuit!
1. Booked on BA code, so expected to be able to check in in the normal way -NOT. £450 inc. taxes (last minute flex) - CRAP!
2. Expected normal transition through T3 - NOT. Huge rugby scrum, long queues, little Flybe staff and the few that did appear were stressed, rude staff who had clearly lost control. When complained, was told "well we do have 60 flights this morning!" Not an excuse - you'll have that every morning!!!
3. Bused to wrong plane this morning (by that stage, beyond stressful and extremely laughable).
4. No push back vehicle for app. 30 / 40 mins after boarding. It's normally ATC restrictions causing lack of push and start, not equipment (even more laughable).
5. Stress that the cabin crew were great - not their fault.
For Frankfurt in future, Lufthansa, you've got my business! For all other locations (any other operators by air or any other means), you've got my business! Never again with Flybe - sorry.
Never really been a big customer of Flybe but honestly, on this morning's exploits, I'm really surprised they've risen to be as big as they are.... Public, fare paying people, is this the standards you've come to accept in service???!!!
Yours,
A PPL and experienced business traveller who flies on around 200 flights per year!!
1. Booked on BA code, so expected to be able to check in in the normal way -NOT. £450 inc. taxes (last minute flex) - CRAP!
2. Expected normal transition through T3 - NOT. Huge rugby scrum, long queues, little Flybe staff and the few that did appear were stressed, rude staff who had clearly lost control. When complained, was told "well we do have 60 flights this morning!" Not an excuse - you'll have that every morning!!!
3. Bused to wrong plane this morning (by that stage, beyond stressful and extremely laughable).
4. No push back vehicle for app. 30 / 40 mins after boarding. It's normally ATC restrictions causing lack of push and start, not equipment (even more laughable).
5. Stress that the cabin crew were great - not their fault.
For Frankfurt in future, Lufthansa, you've got my business! For all other locations (any other operators by air or any other means), you've got my business! Never again with Flybe - sorry.
Never really been a big customer of Flybe but honestly, on this morning's exploits, I'm really surprised they've risen to be as big as they are.... Public, fare paying people, is this the standards you've come to accept in service???!!!
Yours,
A PPL and experienced business traveller who flies on around 200 flights per year!!
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Why so many Flybe cancellations on 7th May ?
I bet there are some really unhappy customers with all these cancellations (published on ba.com) - I guess it's due to low loads or lack of crews ?
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Flybe/BA Codeshare cancellations 7 May 2007
Summary
A number of cancellations to BA marketed codeshare services operated by Flybe have been announced by Flybe on 7 May 2007 (May Day Bank Holiday).
More information
Customers due to travel on cancelled services listed below on 7 May 2007 who have been re-accommodated and find the alternative arrangements unsuitable may:
Refund
Be offered a refund of the original BA marketed codeshare flight, plus any parts of the journey not made which are on the same ticket as the original flight
- The refund will be provided to the original form of payment.
Aberdeen to Birmingham BA 4651
Birmingham to Aberdeen BA 4652
Birmingham to Dusseldorf BA 4691
Dusseldorf to Birmingham BA 4692
Birmingham to Dusseldorf BA 4695
Dusseldorf to Birmingham BA 4696
Dusseldorf to Manchester BA 4700
Manchester to Dusseldorf BA 4705
Manchester to Edinburgh BA 4706
Edinburgh to Manchester BA 4707
Manchester to Edinburgh BA 4708
Edinburgh to Manchester BA 4709
Manchester to Glasgow BA 4788
Glasgow to Manchester BA 4789
Manchester to Glasgow BA 4790
Glasgow to Manchester BA 4791
Manchester to Paris BA 4851
Paris to Manchester BA 4852
Isle of Man to Manchester BA 4870
Manchester to Isle of Man BA 4871
Manchester to Southampton BA 4880
Southampton to Manchester BA 4881
Manchester to Southampton BA 4882
Southampton to Manchester BA 4883
Manchester to Southampton BA 4892
Southampton to Manchester BA 4893
Manchester to Belfast BA 6100
Belfast to Manchester BA 6101
Manchester to Belfast BA 6102
Belfast to Manchester BA 6103
Belfast to Manchester BA 6111
Manchester to Belfast BA 6114
Edinburgh to Birmingham BA 6140
Birmingham to Edinburgh BA 6141
Edinburgh to Birmingham BA 6142
Birmingham to Edinburgh BA 6143
Birmingham to Glasgow BA 6171
Glasgow to Birmingham BA 6172
Birmingham to Glasgow BA 6173
Glasgow to Birmingham BA 6174
Edinburgh to Southampton BA 6188
Southampton to Edinburgh BA 6189
Edinburgh to Southampton BA 6190
Southampton to Edinburgh BA 6191
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Flybe/BA Codeshare cancellations 7 May 2007
Summary
A number of cancellations to BA marketed codeshare services operated by Flybe have been announced by Flybe on 7 May 2007 (May Day Bank Holiday).
More information
Customers due to travel on cancelled services listed below on 7 May 2007 who have been re-accommodated and find the alternative arrangements unsuitable may:
Refund
Be offered a refund of the original BA marketed codeshare flight, plus any parts of the journey not made which are on the same ticket as the original flight
- The refund will be provided to the original form of payment.
Aberdeen to Birmingham BA 4651
Birmingham to Aberdeen BA 4652
Birmingham to Dusseldorf BA 4691
Dusseldorf to Birmingham BA 4692
Birmingham to Dusseldorf BA 4695
Dusseldorf to Birmingham BA 4696
Dusseldorf to Manchester BA 4700
Manchester to Dusseldorf BA 4705
Manchester to Edinburgh BA 4706
Edinburgh to Manchester BA 4707
Manchester to Edinburgh BA 4708
Edinburgh to Manchester BA 4709
Manchester to Glasgow BA 4788
Glasgow to Manchester BA 4789
Manchester to Glasgow BA 4790
Glasgow to Manchester BA 4791
Manchester to Paris BA 4851
Paris to Manchester BA 4852
Isle of Man to Manchester BA 4870
Manchester to Isle of Man BA 4871
Manchester to Southampton BA 4880
Southampton to Manchester BA 4881
Manchester to Southampton BA 4882
Southampton to Manchester BA 4883
Manchester to Southampton BA 4892
Southampton to Manchester BA 4893
Manchester to Belfast BA 6100
Belfast to Manchester BA 6101
Manchester to Belfast BA 6102
Belfast to Manchester BA 6103
Belfast to Manchester BA 6111
Manchester to Belfast BA 6114
Edinburgh to Birmingham BA 6140
Birmingham to Edinburgh BA 6141
Edinburgh to Birmingham BA 6142
Birmingham to Edinburgh BA 6143
Birmingham to Glasgow BA 6171
Glasgow to Birmingham BA 6172
Birmingham to Glasgow BA 6173
Glasgow to Birmingham BA 6174
Edinburgh to Southampton BA 6188
Southampton to Edinburgh BA 6189
Edinburgh to Southampton BA 6190
Southampton to Edinburgh BA 6191
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Holiday
Yes all down to the bank holiday. Not really much point in running the planes empty or near empty.
Eastern also do the same on bank holidays. As they are a proper 'business' airline they only run a skeleton service with many services cancelled.
Eastern also do the same on bank holidays. As they are a proper 'business' airline they only run a skeleton service with many services cancelled.
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"1. Booked on BA code, so expected to be able to check in in the normal way -NOT. £450 inc. taxes (last minute flex) - CRAP!"
If you travel on a flybe reference you can check in online. But you were one of the unlucky ones who couldnt manage to check in online because of the merger. Not the first and not the last - that problem lies with BA.
"2. Expected normal transition through T3 - NOT. Huge rugby scrum, long queues, little Flybe staff and the few that did appear were stressed, rude staff who had clearly lost control. When complained, was told "well we do have 60 flights this morning!" Not an excuse - you'll have that every morning!!! "
There are dedicated lanes in place, handbaggage only and fast drop (46) and economy plus (45 but used in busy times as a second desk for HB and FD) the snake system is for passengers checking in bags as there far more who do so. hence the 'snake system'.
As for staff who seemed stressed, its possible but as for them being rude, i have never come across it but if it is the case there is no excuse and i wont defend that.
Every morning there are hundreds of passengers who transit T3 to check in with flybe. A bit of patience doesnt go a miss.
Do you allow plenty of time to check in for your flight? If you do i cant see the waiting being a problem, as you will only have to do this at security, wait to board, wait to take off, wait to land, and wait to taxi to stand.
3. Bused to wrong plane this morning (by that stage, beyond stressful and extremely laughable).
That my friend isnt the handling agents problem, that is a different company who handle it.
4. No push back vehicle for app. 30 / 40 mins after boarding. It's normally ATC restrictions causing lack of push and start, not equipment (even more laughable).
That again is a different company, Ringway's problem.
5. Stress that the cabin crew were great - not their fault.
Finally we find a good part.
"For Frankfurt in future, Lufthansa, you've got my business! For all other locations (any other operators by air or any other means), you've got my business! Never again with Flybe - sorry.
Never really been a big customer of Flybe but honestly, on this morning's exploits, I'm really surprised they've risen to be as big as they are.... Public, fare paying people, is this the standards you've come to accept in service???!!!"
Flybe is imo, the best low cost carrier around, both for prices and service. Theres no guarantee everything will go smoothly no matter what airline you choose. Even if you pay £700 for your ticket you may still have a delay somewhere in the system.
A PPL and experienced business traveller who flies on around 200 flights per year!!
Whoopee do! That makes you above the rest of people who actually have some patience then i guess!
At peak times all the check in desks with every airline are jam packed, you should see BA's desks most mornings at 5am! same with AA's desks, BMI's and all the other airlines in T3!
If you travel on a flybe reference you can check in online. But you were one of the unlucky ones who couldnt manage to check in online because of the merger. Not the first and not the last - that problem lies with BA.
"2. Expected normal transition through T3 - NOT. Huge rugby scrum, long queues, little Flybe staff and the few that did appear were stressed, rude staff who had clearly lost control. When complained, was told "well we do have 60 flights this morning!" Not an excuse - you'll have that every morning!!! "
There are dedicated lanes in place, handbaggage only and fast drop (46) and economy plus (45 but used in busy times as a second desk for HB and FD) the snake system is for passengers checking in bags as there far more who do so. hence the 'snake system'.
As for staff who seemed stressed, its possible but as for them being rude, i have never come across it but if it is the case there is no excuse and i wont defend that.
Every morning there are hundreds of passengers who transit T3 to check in with flybe. A bit of patience doesnt go a miss.
Do you allow plenty of time to check in for your flight? If you do i cant see the waiting being a problem, as you will only have to do this at security, wait to board, wait to take off, wait to land, and wait to taxi to stand.
3. Bused to wrong plane this morning (by that stage, beyond stressful and extremely laughable).
That my friend isnt the handling agents problem, that is a different company who handle it.
4. No push back vehicle for app. 30 / 40 mins after boarding. It's normally ATC restrictions causing lack of push and start, not equipment (even more laughable).
That again is a different company, Ringway's problem.
5. Stress that the cabin crew were great - not their fault.
Finally we find a good part.
"For Frankfurt in future, Lufthansa, you've got my business! For all other locations (any other operators by air or any other means), you've got my business! Never again with Flybe - sorry.
Never really been a big customer of Flybe but honestly, on this morning's exploits, I'm really surprised they've risen to be as big as they are.... Public, fare paying people, is this the standards you've come to accept in service???!!!"
Flybe is imo, the best low cost carrier around, both for prices and service. Theres no guarantee everything will go smoothly no matter what airline you choose. Even if you pay £700 for your ticket you may still have a delay somewhere in the system.
A PPL and experienced business traveller who flies on around 200 flights per year!!
Whoopee do! That makes you above the rest of people who actually have some patience then i guess!
At peak times all the check in desks with every airline are jam packed, you should see BA's desks most mornings at 5am! same with AA's desks, BMI's and all the other airlines in T3!
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J-Man, thanks for the response. Why were you execting good bits in my post?? I had a bad experience! Would you rave about a new product you'd purchased and it turned out to be utter crap???!!! Remember, good service, equals good word of mouth. Bad service, expects no repeat business! It costs companies 10 times to gain new customers compared to keeping existing customer base. I don't know your business background, but it's a point a lot of companies easily forget.
My whole point about this, is that if this continues as a norm, then they won't be so popular, not just with me but with the majority of business travellers, especially those experiencing Flybe for the first time. In addition, it doesn't matter who the ground handling agent is, or who messed up. At the end of the day the majority of passengers don't care about that, they simply hold the company who they purchased their ticket with accountable. Another point, you'd be wise to aknowledge.
My choice. I tried them, I didn't like them, I won't be using them again. Maybe others would be more tolerant, or more likely, not have much of a choice.
Looking forward to your next response......
My whole point about this, is that if this continues as a norm, then they won't be so popular, not just with me but with the majority of business travellers, especially those experiencing Flybe for the first time. In addition, it doesn't matter who the ground handling agent is, or who messed up. At the end of the day the majority of passengers don't care about that, they simply hold the company who they purchased their ticket with accountable. Another point, you'd be wise to aknowledge.
My choice. I tried them, I didn't like them, I won't be using them again. Maybe others would be more tolerant, or more likely, not have much of a choice.
Looking forward to your next response......