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Old 20th Apr 2009, 19:42
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Does anybody know why Ryanair dropped Milan in the first place
Ryan still operate a daily Milan(BGY). The route was reduced from twice daily at the start of the W08 schedules, and continues that way throughout the summer with an evening departure ex LTN.
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Old 20th Apr 2009, 20:10
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Milan Flights

I think you will find the Milan Bergamo flights only operate four times weekly. Also on the Luton Flight Timetable and on the Ryanair booking engine a three times weekly service to Limoges is due to commence shortly but I cannot remember it being announced but my memory is going a bit now as I am a bit of an old git! Another destination will be dropped as it is a Luton-based aircraft which operates the service.
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Old 20th Apr 2009, 21:11
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I think you will find the Milan Bergamo flights only operate four times weekly.
True, but goes daily from 5 May. Also from that date, TPS is operated by a TPS based aircraft, freeing up a LTN based aircraft.
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Old 20th Apr 2009, 22:06
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LTN-MXP is a replacement route of LTN-WAW last flight 5 July.

From MXP to London there are now 16x daily flights:

BA MXP-LHR 4x daily
LH MXP-LHR 6x daily (4x by LHI and 2x by BMI)
U2 MXP-LGW 4x daily
U2 MXP-LTN 2x daily

When you can fly from 99 euro return with Lufthansa MXP-LHR 6x daily or Easyjet MXP-LGW from 60 euro return 4x daily, the new MXP-LTN 2x daily is a no sense flight, also Ryanair has cut BGY-LTN from 2x daily to 4x week. Sorry but LTN is probably the worst choice for central London.
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Old 20th Apr 2009, 22:16
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LTN-MXP timetable:

LTN-MXP 07:20-10:15 12345 From 21 september
MXP-LTN 10:50-11:50 12345

LTN-MXP 12:00-14:55 6 From 21 september
MXP-LTN 15:30-16:30 6

LTN-MXP 17:25-20:20 123457 From 6 july
MXP-LTN 20:55-21:55 123457

On sale now, price from 23,99 euro one way
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Old 20th Apr 2009, 22:29
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Quote:

'I would never consider myself a 'Luton' expert, but watching and hoping that Stansted fails, makes me sleep better at night.

Unquote.

'Why?? If you don't have a chip or take it personally?

I fully remember the injustice that was felt by LTN staff on the announcement of STN as London's Third, but as I've said before, there has to be a reality check. The decision was made on the basis of logistics, for example how on earth could you make LTN an inter-continental hub for less cost? which is what London's Third Airport had to be.

There is a definite my Airport is best thread here, but just answer me how much just one parallel taxiway for LTN would cost? you'd have to move a very large part of Hertfordshire just to support it. Luton's location is against it, hence whey the Yanks picked STN, it's flat countryside with no challenging approaches whatsoever and I won't even go down the route of vehiclular access. Whatever personal feelings, STN and LTN are not comparable Airports, they are good at what they do, but LTN never has been, or can be without unrealistic investment, an international hub, at the end of the day, it was built in the wrong place.
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 01:47
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bravo chopper
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 05:17
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There is a definite my Airport is best thread here, but just answer me how much just one parallel taxiway for LTN would cost?
Not that much as the existing taxiway just needs extending both ends. The 26 end would be more costly as there would need to be some earth works carried out to build up the land. The 08 end would just need the car park fence moving before work started.

you'd have to move a very large part of Hertfordshire just to support it.
No you wouldn’t as all of the land is already part of Luton and within the airport.

hence whey the Yanks picked STN
because of the taxiway??? Don't think so!!!

(Stansted) it's flat countryside with no challenging approaches whatsoever
Never knew that Luton had challenging approaches being on a hill surrounded by valleys.

won't even go down the route of vehiclular access.
Would have agreed with you a while back but all has changed now that the M1 and Airport Way are both finished.

STN and LTN are not comparable Airports, they are good at what they do, but LTN never has been, or can be without unrealistic investment, an international hub,
Agreed, Stansted is on a completely different scale to Luton and is much easier to expand. Stansted is built on the boring flatlands of Essex which has no aesthetic value while to expand Luton with a second runway would destroy an area of the Chilterns that has outstanding natural beauty. The immediate area to the south of the runway is flat and would be ripe for expansion but I would draw a line at a second runway.

at the end of the day, it was built in the wrong place.
Actually it was built in the right location as Luton has the second biggest catchment area in the UK after Heathrow. It is located 2 miles from the UK’s main North South Motorway with dual carriageway access all the way and is on a mainline rail network with direct links to the Midlands, London, the south east and the south coast.

Stansted's rail departure board with 4 trains an hour to just 1 London destination and 1 train an hour to Birmingham, looks rather empty comparied to Luton

06:31 Sevenoaks
06:40 Beckenham Junction
06:40 Bedford
06:46 Brighton
06:51 Bromley South
06:58 Sevenoaks
07:00 Bedford
07:06 Orpington
07:08 Bedford
07:08 London St Pancras (Domestic) (non stop)
07:10 Wimbledon via Hackbridge
07:16 Nottingham
07:22 Kent House
07:26 Bedford
07:26 Brighton
07:38 Bedford
07:38 Sutton (Surrey) via Wimbledon
07:40 London St Pancras (Domestic) (non stop)
07:42 Wimbledon via Hackbridge
07:46 Luton
07:48 Elephant & Castle
07:51 Nottingham
07:52 Bedford
07:58 Sevenoaks
08:03 Bromley South
08:03 Bedford
08:12 London St Pancras (Domestic) (non stop)
08:14 Brighton
08:20Sevenoaks
08:24 Bedford

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Old 21st Apr 2009, 11:55
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LTN-MXP timetable:

LTN-MXP 07:20-10:15 12345 From 21 september
MXP-LTN 10:50-11:50 12345

LTN-MXP 12:00-14:55 6 From 21 september
MXP-LTN 15:30-16:30 6

LTN-MXP 17:25-20:20 123457 From 6 july
MXP-LTN 20:55-21:55 123457

On sale now, price from 23,99 euro one way
It seems like Mahon and Montpellier are only operating for the summer months... These both end on the 19th September, so by these being stopped it frees the aircraft up to operate twice daily to Milan MXP.


LTN-MXP timetable:

LTN-MXP 07:20-10:15 12345 From 21 september
MXP-LTN 10:50-11:50 12345

LTN-MXP 12:00-14:55 6 From 21 september
MXP-LTN 15:30-16:30 6

LTN-MXP 17:25-20:20 123457 From 6 july
MXP-LTN 20:55-21:55 123457

On sale now, price from 23,99 euro one way
Maybe(?), but there is demand there, and easyJet wants to take the opportunity to fill tis gap...

Ryanair has been successfully been operating to BGY from LTN for about 8yrs and was their first route they operated to using BGY aircraft fter Dublin. It is only this summer in all of 8yrs that the routes frequency has been dropped.

Ryanair seems to use LTN very much as an experimental base to tweek timetables and add additional capacity to other routes which are operated from STN.

London is not the only destination people are travelling to when they travel to or from LTN! I live up in Northamptonshire about 45 miles from the airport and it is still my "Local Airport", plus I can travel directly there on East Midlands Trains from Wellingborough and Kettering!
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 21:08
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Grrr

Ryanair would base more airframes at Luton, but only if the airport paid for them!
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 21:21
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Ryanair would base more airframes at Luton, but only if the airport paid for them!
I agree entirely... Ryanair, wants something for nothing, even though the airport maybe seeing a downturn at the moment, I doubt the airport is desperate enough to be giving them these kind of concessions.

Even if no Ryanair didn't base any new aircraft at the airport, it would be nice to see aircraft from other bases operating to the airport. Hyperthetically, a Stockholm Stavsta service operated by an aircraft from this base.

I think it is simply a case, LTN are not willing to give Ryanair the concessions it once did get and has to pay to use the airport at the same prices other airlines have to. While some airports in Europe continue to offer the airline these sort of fantastic deals, this is where new aircraft will continue to be based.

I predict, FR capacity is likely to remain very much the same at the airport for the forseeable future.
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Old 24th Apr 2009, 15:44
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new service

www.volawindjet.it

twice weekly service from luton to forli starting 2nd july
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Old 24th Apr 2009, 19:55
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Luton to Forli

More new flights.......bring it on!!!!
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Old 24th Apr 2009, 20:49
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No idea what L...G.. means on the Wind Jet LTN-Forsi schedule though!

Anyone care to translate these into actual days?

Also, does anyone have any idea if the El Al aircraft will be arriving sometime prior to their commencing date / will there be a test flight between LTN - TLV?
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Old 24th Apr 2009, 21:14
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As has been repeated many, many times...there are no spaces overnight on the tarmac to base any more aircraft. The only way for airlines to expand at LTN is to fly from an overseas base to LTN once the first wave of departures has gone freeing up stands.
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Old 24th Apr 2009, 21:35
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Old 25th Apr 2009, 05:23
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Just a small observation. Why has LTN been a building site with a runway for nearly the last 30 years..........
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Old 25th Apr 2009, 06:00
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Gradual improvements to infrastructure? Apart from the shifting of the drop off zone and the so called improvements to the road layout in the central area I can’t think of anything else that has happened in the last few years unless I have missed something.

As a side issue, got to say that since the completion of the dual carriageway to the M1 and upgrade of the M1 to 4 and 5 lanes, travelling to and from the airport has been transformed in the rush hour which must be a big bonus to the airport as they look for new airlines.
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Old 25th Apr 2009, 06:39
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anyone know if there are any plans to create new aircraft parking stands? surely there is gona come a time soon when this will be required if luton is to continue attracting new airlines and routes?
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Old 25th Apr 2009, 07:34
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Hard to see where any stands could go since plans were announced to expand the long term car park.

I thought the idea was to slightly increase the size of the south stands and bring them into regular passenger use. Even a new airside road was put in around a year ago to allow Silverjet to operate from there. I am surprised that not even one or two south stands could not be used for night stoppers, as the stands seem to be often almost empty.


The only other viable plan without adding stands to the south of the runway would be to use the short term car park and drop off area and move them to the midterm car park, which appeared on plans sometime ago. That would create another 6 stands.
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