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Only ever seen photo's of Laker DC10's parked on the Pond ( stand 16 and 17)
Photo here of Laker DC10 at LTN Google Image Result for http://4.bp.********.com/-xb-v_KMCeDk/Tx11q-p9DOI/AAAAAAAAARs/6JlEYeGtFog/s1600/rps96%2BDC10%2BG-GFAL%2BLaker%2BLast%2BFlight%2BJuly%2B79.jpg
and here Photos: McDonnell Douglas DC-10-10 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photo here of Laker DC10 at LTN Google Image Result for http://4.bp.********.com/-xb-v_KMCeDk/Tx11q-p9DOI/AAAAAAAAARs/6JlEYeGtFog/s1600/rps96%2BDC10%2BG-GFAL%2BLaker%2BLast%2BFlight%2BJuly%2B79.jpg
and here Photos: McDonnell Douglas DC-10-10 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
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Intersection departures
Luton nicely busy when I dropped by today.
Intersection ops now seem to be de-rigeuer if capable then. Today for the first time I've seen it happen G-OZBO departed from the intersection for LEPA (ZB 872)
As a reminder of the old underpowered days a very long ground roll from the full length today by a Bucharest bound Blue Transport 734. Perhps 2-300 m to spare
Intersection ops now seem to be de-rigeuer if capable then. Today for the first time I've seen it happen G-OZBO departed from the intersection for LEPA (ZB 872)
As a reminder of the old underpowered days a very long ground roll from the full length today by a Bucharest bound Blue Transport 734. Perhps 2-300 m to spare
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Intersection ops now seem to be de-rigeuer if capable then. Today for the first time I've seen it happen G-OZBO departed from the intersection for LEPA (ZB 872)
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LTNMan.....Perhaps you better avoid EZY at SEN (who seem to happily operate A319's from a runway almost exactly the same length as an intersection departure off 26 at LTN!)
I guess Inverness and Jersey (to name a few) are also dangerous
I guess Inverness and Jersey (to name a few) are also dangerous
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The difference between SEN, JER or INV and LTN is that the former don't have the option of the additional 1,000ft available that LTN does when its operating on 'intersection ops'. Remember the old maxim, "What's the most useless part of the runway? - the bit behind you." Out of interest how long is the RESA on 26?
LTNman, are you aware of 'balanced field takeoff calculations'? If not I suggest reading up on it an then seeing if you have the same opinion. The fact is that an aircraft performing a reduced thrust takeoff that is accelerate stop distance limited (most of them for airlines out of Luton) will stop in approximately the same place regardless of whether full length or intersection has been used.
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No I don't know nothing about balanced field calculations. All I know is that most aircraft using the full length are usually airborne by the 08 turn off and when they use the intersection all 3 sets of wheels are usually still firmly in contact with the runway. As a passenger I know which option I would prefer if the brakes were suddenly applied as I was trundling down the runway.
If the length is there then use it if you can.
I didn't say it was dangerous but it is not as safe as it could be. Anyway I seem to remember Southend has a bit if a history of aircraft going off the end of the runway
If the length is there then use it if you can.
LTNMan.....Perhaps you better avoid EZY at SEN...guess Inverness and Jersey (to name a few) are also dangerous
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Those photos certainly bring back a few memories, the DAT DC-6B being the most spectacular. Not a good idea to retract the gear (although only the nosegear retracted) while still on the take-off roll, although they did a good job keeping it on the centreline and even had 5 yards of runway to spare! Both the Hermes and the Viscount accidents were the result of aquaplaning in the days when a slick tarmac runway was considered acceptable.
The reason aircraft will be airborne earlier from taking the full length will likely be that they've used intersection performance figures but used the full length for takeoff. This is the best way to guarantee having a big stop margin using a balanced field calculations. As I said, have a google for balanced field.
Anyway I seem to remember Southend has a bit if a history of aircraft going off the end of the runway
In the past maybe, but of course the runway has recently been extended to around 1800m
Also worthy of mention are the BA A318's operating out of LCY.....always an impressive sight!
In the past maybe, but of course the runway has recently been extended to around 1800m
Also worthy of mention are the BA A318's operating out of LCY.....always an impressive sight!
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ericlday - yes, S16 & S17 and, I think by run-up bay on Alpha/Charlie. I might have some pichures somewhere in the loft! I do remember passagers were not best pleased. I think they had to say in aircraft for over 2 hours because of the other divisions, the terminal could not cope.
Came back into Luton in the early hours, admittedly we were the only flight, but for a full load of a B737-800 HMG had every immigration desk open. The desk we went to was having a laugh and joke with everyone, even threatening to send us back to the sun for a further 3 weeks!
From touchdown, to walking out the terminal, having remote parked on 46, complete with cases took 35 minutes.
It took us nearly that long to get through security going out!
From touchdown, to walking out the terminal, having remote parked on 46, complete with cases took 35 minutes.
It took us nearly that long to get through security going out!
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is this improvement a one off or has it been like this for a while. the last time i landed in luton it took about 90 minutes from landing to get through. i vowed at that time, about 2 years ago, that i would think long and hard before using luton again.
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Only go on my personal experience a few weeks back. Came in at 1430 on a Wednesday, parked on stand 44 got to UK Border and hardly anybody else there, no waiting straight out (no bags) onto shuttle bus to hire car area. Left car hire at 1500. On return Monday morning got taxi and arrived drop off at 4.15 am - to beat the 5am rush - having dropped the car off the previous day (had been caught out some months earlier). Few people about, checked in straight away and no more than five minutes in security. Noticed around 5.30 security looked incredibly busy.
Over a year ago had to wait over 40 minutes at UK Border but that was around 2230 at night with a number of arrivals.
Regarding the easyJet Luton-Paris route an article in a national newspaper recently was saying that between 300,000-400,000 French people live in the London area making it one of France´s ´´largest cities´´ in terms of population - but of course don´t believe everything you read in a newspaper! Also a number of passengers must use the route to go further afield and escape the ridiculous APD charge.
Over a year ago had to wait over 40 minutes at UK Border but that was around 2230 at night with a number of arrivals.
Regarding the easyJet Luton-Paris route an article in a national newspaper recently was saying that between 300,000-400,000 French people live in the London area making it one of France´s ´´largest cities´´ in terms of population - but of course don´t believe everything you read in a newspaper! Also a number of passengers must use the route to go further afield and escape the ridiculous APD charge.
Its amazing how many people blame the airport operators for delays at security - its not their responsibility!! The airports only get what the UKBA bother to pay for.
These bottlenecks are inevitable when airports are full to bursting.
These bottlenecks are inevitable when airports are full to bursting.
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Arriving at LTN on Saturday - all desks and E gates open.
Touchdown to shuttle bus within 15 minutes.
The E gates seem different from those at LHR.
There was a mature gent in smart casuals assisting pax through, I wonder if he was one of the "recently retired" the government said they would use to ease the queues.
It's generally pot luck at Luton as at many smaller airports worldwide.
Touchdown to shuttle bus within 15 minutes.
The E gates seem different from those at LHR.
There was a mature gent in smart casuals assisting pax through, I wonder if he was one of the "recently retired" the government said they would use to ease the queues.
It's generally pot luck at Luton as at many smaller airports worldwide.