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Yes I believe it was the Edinburgh service. The vibration sound from the engine was horendous. My neighbor (who also witnessed the event) was convinced the engine was imploding on itself.
I agree a big well done to the pilots.
I agree a big well done to the pilots.
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Yes I believe it was the Edinburgh service. The vibration sound from the engine was horendous. My neighbor (who also witnessed the event) was convinced the engine was imploding on itself.
I agree a big well done to the pilots.
I agree a big well done to the pilots.
The A319's are perfectly capable of fly on one engine and is standard practice to declare an emergency landing for these situations, even though probably not necessary.
Oh dear....back to that old chestnut LTNMan!
You obviously haven't read or understood the theory behind balanced field take-off's.....So here's a link explaining it pretty clearly:
Balanced field takeoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You obviously haven't read or understood the theory behind balanced field take-off's.....So here's a link explaining it pretty clearly:
Balanced field takeoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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As this poor sod found out APCOA who run the airports car parks like taking the money but not investing part of the fat profit in CCTV or tarmacking the disgraceful midterm car park gravel pit
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Oh dear....back to that old chestnut LTNMan!
You obviously haven't read or understood the theory behind balanced field take-off's.....So here's a link explaining it pretty clearly:
You obviously haven't read or understood the theory behind balanced field take-off's.....So here's a link explaining it pretty clearly:
I concede to your superior knowledge on the subject but I just see things in black and white. I do wonder though if pilots knew in advance that an engine was going to fail on a take-off run would they still depart from the intersection or use the full length? Maybe you could answer that question as you imply it makes no difference?
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I do wonder though if pilots knew in advance that an engine was going to fail on a take-off run would they still depart from the intersection or use the full length?
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Perhaps soon we'll have a "Caution....Engine will fail in x minutes" warning in all cockpits!
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Perhaps soon we'll have a "Caution....Engine will fail in x minutes" warning in all cockpits!
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I note that you didn't answer the question about the V1 point being at the same location regardless of where the take off run begins
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LTNman could I get next week's lottery numbers please? You clearly have a sixth sense! 
You can have ops clear the runway & surrounds of birds every 5mins if you like, but still no guarantee that you won't suck one into an engine on rotation - wherever VR occurs!
Or even on climb out - as Capt Sully will testify!
If it happened before V1 then they would reject the take off, having made their calcs as to where V1 was.
Our feathered friends were in the air long before Man ever was!
You can have ops clear the runway & surrounds of birds every 5mins if you like, but still no guarantee that you won't suck one into an engine on rotation - wherever VR occurs!
Or even on climb out - as Capt Sully will testify!
If it happened before V1 then they would reject the take off, having made their calcs as to where V1 was.
Our feathered friends were in the air long before Man ever was!
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Ok then so it makes no difference whether the runway is 1500m, 2000m or even 3000m. Thanks for the info, everyday I lean something new
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Obviously an intersection departure satisfies the performance requirements in terms of TODA and ASDA and in 99.99% of departures has no safety implications. I do believe though that there is a valid argument as to whether there is a safety enhancement available by use of the full distances, however minor that enhancement may be.
V1 is not some golden point that once reached ensures 100% that Vr will be attained as planned and departure assured. A multiple tyre burst after V1 or a nosewheel collapse are not completely underheard of - it certainly happened to a DC6 at SEN many years ago after V1 and the aircraft came to rest 5 metres from the runway end.
It's surely really more a matter of commercial reality vs the very low risk that an intersection departure involves. The one thing I would add regarding LTN in particular though is the consequencies that would arise from a high speed overrun due to the topography of the place, as a landing Aer Turas DC7 discovered years ago.
Look at it this way, if there was a serious departure overrun accident and the facts suggested that it might not have happened had the full runway length been utilised, there would certainly be voices on PPRuNe questioning the procedures which allowed it to happen.
V1 is not some golden point that once reached ensures 100% that Vr will be attained as planned and departure assured. A multiple tyre burst after V1 or a nosewheel collapse are not completely underheard of - it certainly happened to a DC6 at SEN many years ago after V1 and the aircraft came to rest 5 metres from the runway end.
It's surely really more a matter of commercial reality vs the very low risk that an intersection departure involves. The one thing I would add regarding LTN in particular though is the consequencies that would arise from a high speed overrun due to the topography of the place, as a landing Aer Turas DC7 discovered years ago.
Look at it this way, if there was a serious departure overrun accident and the facts suggested that it might not have happened had the full runway length been utilised, there would certainly be voices on PPRuNe questioning the procedures which allowed it to happen.
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New master plan , full length parallel taxiways ,problem solved!
Don't think for one minute that the airlines will use the intersection currently being used anymore!
LTNs topography did at least help with one departure.Notably the Dan Air incident a long ,long time ago.
Don't think for one minute that the airlines will use the intersection currently being used anymore!
LTNs topography did at least help with one departure.Notably the Dan Air incident a long ,long time ago.
We could debate the "nothing as useless as the runway behind you" argument for a very long time!
The fact is its down to the Captain to decide if he/she is prepared to make an intersection departure and many factors are taken into account. Apart from the obvious performance calculations these also include the weather and wake vortex separation.
ATC can never force an aircraft to make an intersection departure and I've seen countless small exec types at LTN request the full length over the years (ATC normally ask now on the ground freq if an aircraft can make an intersection departure to aid planning)
The fact is its down to the Captain to decide if he/she is prepared to make an intersection departure and many factors are taken into account. Apart from the obvious performance calculations these also include the weather and wake vortex separation.
ATC can never force an aircraft to make an intersection departure and I've seen countless small exec types at LTN request the full length over the years (ATC normally ask now on the ground freq if an aircraft can make an intersection departure to aid planning)
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Falcon666 there was also the infamous VR-CBQ departure in the summer of 1991, again the topography helped!
That picture of the car park got me thinking that Mrs Buster's car is in the long term currently! Could do with a few bricks!
9.1 vibration, tasty!
That picture of the car park got me thinking that Mrs Buster's car is in the long term currently! Could do with a few bricks!
9.1 vibration, tasty!
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One of my customers was on board. Said the noise was bad in the cabin, pax all calm & flight returned uneventfully. Not much to report other than several schools were heroically avoided by the flight crew & they were an hour or so late to Edi.
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Now BAA have agreed to sell Stansted, and want a new owner in place within the next year. The likes of Luton is gonna have to up there gain, to keep airlines and passengers happy...
On the news report on BBC Look East this evening, experts seem to predict there is going to be a fierce war between the likes of Gatwick, Stansted and Luton to retain airline business and gain new business.
I hope the sale doesn't come at the detriment of Luton, but something in my bones seems to sense the airport will suffer.
All it would take is a good deal and better facilities from the new owners to tempt the likes of Wizzair or for Ryanair to centralise all their flights back at Stansted. Also attracting altogether new airlines and routes could become a whole lot harder!
On the news report on BBC Look East this evening, experts seem to predict there is going to be a fierce war between the likes of Gatwick, Stansted and Luton to retain airline business and gain new business.
I hope the sale doesn't come at the detriment of Luton, but something in my bones seems to sense the airport will suffer.
All it would take is a good deal and better facilities from the new owners to tempt the likes of Wizzair or for Ryanair to centralise all their flights back at Stansted. Also attracting altogether new airlines and routes could become a whole lot harder!
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Stansted will be sold for at least £1 billion but Luton's operator has not had to dip their hands into their pockets to buy Luton. As it is only leased they don't have a massive dept to be paid back. Might give Luton a cost advantage despite the cost of expanding Luton as money will also be spent at Stansted.