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I don't believe passengers living close to LBA so readily accept travelling to MAN as we loved to do a few years ago. Road traffic conditions and delays these days cause even more stress for many passengers. And, as we know, the airport is not even in Manchester. It is not uncommon for long haul or early departing pax to travel to Man the day before and stay overnight in a hotel.
In my opinion, continuing to consider LBA to be in the Manchester catchment area, is stretching this too far these days.
In my opinion, continuing to consider LBA to be in the Manchester catchment area, is stretching this too far these days.
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There's always the train, direct into MAN airport. Also, the entire terminal area of MAN is in the City of Manchester. It is only the western half of Runway 2 which lies in Cheshire.
P.S. I'll leave it there, seeing as it is the LBA thread.
P.S. I'll leave it there, seeing as it is the LBA thread.
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It's a long time since I tried the train but the main problem was at the time, not having anywhere to store 2 big suitcases and two lots of hand luggage.
We had to stand in the aisle with many others for the whole journey.
Then, we transfered to some ridiculas shoppers type bus to go to the terminal.
Holding the suitcase out in front of you to climb through the narrow bus entrance and steps was a hernia sufferer's nightmare.
We had to stand in the aisle with many others for the whole journey.
Then, we transfered to some ridiculas shoppers type bus to go to the terminal.
Holding the suitcase out in front of you to climb through the narrow bus entrance and steps was a hernia sufferer's nightmare.
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The thing with PIA consolodating to MAN if it happens:
Its not that there is no market, or people want to travel to MAN, its just how PIA will want to run their market.
Its a similar story to BHX and AI. There is a huge market demand to India from BHX, but instead they have to travel to LHR to catch flights to India.
LBA can lobby all they like, just like BHX has lobbied for an Indian connection for years, but if PIA want to funnel through MAN, then LBA will have to look elsewhere.
If PIA do pull the plug Shaheen air used to serve LBA, so I wonder if either they or Air Blue could plug the gap? Surely say, a 2 weekly A321 with Airblue would be better than nothing.
Its not that there is no market, or people want to travel to MAN, its just how PIA will want to run their market.
Its a similar story to BHX and AI. There is a huge market demand to India from BHX, but instead they have to travel to LHR to catch flights to India.
LBA can lobby all they like, just like BHX has lobbied for an Indian connection for years, but if PIA want to funnel through MAN, then LBA will have to look elsewhere.
If PIA do pull the plug Shaheen air used to serve LBA, so I wonder if either they or Air Blue could plug the gap? Surely say, a 2 weekly A321 with Airblue would be better than nothing.
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Why all the talk about PIA quitting LBA. They have said the route is profitable, the load factors seem very good, people want to use LBA rather than MAN if at all possible so the market is there. PIA have invested in the route so why pull out? It appears that the 777 is possible from LBA. In fact given time there is no reason to believe that it will go back to 3 x weekly, plus the possibility of Turkish Airlines flying LBA to IST maybe 3 or 4 weekly, maybe even GLA -LBA- IST for increased connections, etc.
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PIA To Axe Glasgow route
PIA axe Glasgow route, but could expand other UK services
13.01.11
Glasgow will lose its direct air link with Pakistan this month following a shake-up by Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) that could see it expand its other UK services, ABTN reports. The airline will axe its twice weekly Glasgow - Lahore route on January 22 following an appraisal of its loss-making operations in Europe.
Its decision to axe Glasgow is linked with competition from Emirates, which operates daily flights from Glasgow to Dubai with onward connections to Pakistan. A spokesman for the airline told ABTN that flights from Pakistan to Heathrow, Manchester, Birmingham and Leeds Bradford were profitable and could be expanded. PIA will also continue with its Manchester - New York route.
The spokesman said: ‘In the UK there are no other closures apart from Glasgow. Glasgow did not meet its operating costs, we tried to linger for a year, but it did not improve.’ He added that any expansion on UK routes would be in time for the summer timetable, which starts at the end of March.
13.01.11
Glasgow will lose its direct air link with Pakistan this month following a shake-up by Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) that could see it expand its other UK services, ABTN reports. The airline will axe its twice weekly Glasgow - Lahore route on January 22 following an appraisal of its loss-making operations in Europe.
Its decision to axe Glasgow is linked with competition from Emirates, which operates daily flights from Glasgow to Dubai with onward connections to Pakistan. A spokesman for the airline told ABTN that flights from Pakistan to Heathrow, Manchester, Birmingham and Leeds Bradford were profitable and could be expanded. PIA will also continue with its Manchester - New York route.
The spokesman said: ‘In the UK there are no other closures apart from Glasgow. Glasgow did not meet its operating costs, we tried to linger for a year, but it did not improve.’ He added that any expansion on UK routes would be in time for the summer timetable, which starts at the end of March.
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LBA traffic problems!!!!!
Concerns raised over Leeds Bradford Airport traffic problems
14.01.11
A council watchdog has welcomed plans to increase the number of passengers using Leeds Bradford Airport from more than 2.7 million passengers each year to 5 million, the Guardian reports. But councillors on the city development scrutiny committee said that while they recognised the economic benefits to the region of increased visitors and the number of extra jobs that would be created, they told the airport that a better transport infrastructure needs to be in place to avoid making already congested roads worse.
Meeting chairman John Procter said:‘There are some real issues about getting to and from the airport. The feeling from members here today is that we wish the airport well and we want millions more people to use it, but there is a problem with the existing road infrastructure that needs addressing.’
Councillors also raised concerns about the lack of a rank for all local taxi companies to use at the airport and also said that sat-nav systems often took people through residential streets. The scrutiny board agreed to examine the issues in greater detail and look at what influence the council has over the airport's surface access strategy at next month's meeting.
14.01.11
A council watchdog has welcomed plans to increase the number of passengers using Leeds Bradford Airport from more than 2.7 million passengers each year to 5 million, the Guardian reports. But councillors on the city development scrutiny committee said that while they recognised the economic benefits to the region of increased visitors and the number of extra jobs that would be created, they told the airport that a better transport infrastructure needs to be in place to avoid making already congested roads worse.
Meeting chairman John Procter said:‘There are some real issues about getting to and from the airport. The feeling from members here today is that we wish the airport well and we want millions more people to use it, but there is a problem with the existing road infrastructure that needs addressing.’
Councillors also raised concerns about the lack of a rank for all local taxi companies to use at the airport and also said that sat-nav systems often took people through residential streets. The scrutiny board agreed to examine the issues in greater detail and look at what influence the council has over the airport's surface access strategy at next month's meeting.
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Regarding traffic problems.
Leeds City council make me laugh.They are the ones who have failed for many years to put any money into the infrastruture and at the time when they were receiving profits from the airport.The planners even allowed new properties to built on Harrogate road beyond the old building line so the road could never be widened. Some of these Ludite clowns even wanted the airport to be closed.They believed the airport serving Leeds should be Manchester.
Leeds City council make me laugh.They are the ones who have failed for many years to put any money into the infrastruture and at the time when they were receiving profits from the airport.The planners even allowed new properties to built on Harrogate road beyond the old building line so the road could never be widened. Some of these Ludite clowns even wanted the airport to be closed.They believed the airport serving Leeds should be Manchester.
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Surface access to LBA
Wawkrk,
What money have Leeds City Council failed to pump into surface access to LBA that is now a private company?
A road from the ring road to LBA would be at least £30m - when was the city council ever able to fund that? Only central government have ever been able to come up with such funds.
I share your frustration completely - but don't over-estimate the powers and finances of local authorities. Especially now - whence nothing will happen for at least five years apart from tweaking a few traffic lights.
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What money have Leeds City Council failed to pump into surface access to LBA that is now a private company?
A road from the ring road to LBA would be at least £30m - when was the city council ever able to fund that? Only central government have ever been able to come up with such funds.
I share your frustration completely - but don't over-estimate the powers and finances of local authorities. Especially now - whence nothing will happen for at least five years apart from tweaking a few traffic lights.
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New website
I don't like one aspect of the revamped airport website.
The arrivals and departure pages only show the current flights,not the days flights.For instance I saw earlier the PIA was due in approx 5 hours late,and it has obviously left now,but no way of knowing when.
I did email airport to say I preferred the old arrivals and departure pages,but surprisingly I didn't get a response!.
As an aside,anybody know if the terminal redevelopment is likely to be started this winter?,was no sign of it when I passed through the airport christmas time.
The arrivals and departure pages only show the current flights,not the days flights.For instance I saw earlier the PIA was due in approx 5 hours late,and it has obviously left now,but no way of knowing when.
I did email airport to say I preferred the old arrivals and departure pages,but surprisingly I didn't get a response!.
As an aside,anybody know if the terminal redevelopment is likely to be started this winter?,was no sign of it when I passed through the airport christmas time.
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The lack of investment in the roads is not just specific to the airport.
The A658 is not exclusive for the airport.The bulk of the traffic is not going to airport. Over the last 30 years the council allowed many new properties to be built close to the road preventing any future chance of road widening through to the Ring Road and down to Otley Road.So are you saying the roads in Leeds could not have been improved over the last 30 years because of lack of funds?
The lack of investment in the roads is not just specific to the airport.
The A658 is not exclusive for the airport.The bulk of the traffic is not going to airport. Over the last 30 years the council allowed many new properties to be built close to the road preventing any future chance of road widening through to the Ring Road and down to Otley Road.So are you saying the roads in Leeds could not have been improved over the last 30 years because of lack of funds?
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I have to agree with the comments regarding the new web site, i dont like it at all, it is frustrating when you want to check on past arriving traffic and you cant do that any more!!!!!!
As for the new redevelopment of LBA i guess it is anyones guess as to when and if any work will ever happen, as with most things LBA related they seem to be all wind and no trousers!!!!!
Again regarding the roads to from and around the airport, these propblems have been around for decades, new builds new shops, population increase and the roads are still only designed for wagon and horses....LCC should have applied for government money to improve the roads years ago, maybe they did but central government will have stopped it because it was a northern project and not beneficial to the south...Maybe Bridgepoint can apply for european funding for roads, terminal and runway developement.......and why not, all these other european countries get millions just by asking!!!!!!
LBA is so frustrating, maybe they should close the airport and build a brand new one alongside the M1, that would solve the traffic problems and most land near the M1 is farm land and away from housing...
( if only i were kidding)
As for the new redevelopment of LBA i guess it is anyones guess as to when and if any work will ever happen, as with most things LBA related they seem to be all wind and no trousers!!!!!
Again regarding the roads to from and around the airport, these propblems have been around for decades, new builds new shops, population increase and the roads are still only designed for wagon and horses....LCC should have applied for government money to improve the roads years ago, maybe they did but central government will have stopped it because it was a northern project and not beneficial to the south...Maybe Bridgepoint can apply for european funding for roads, terminal and runway developement.......and why not, all these other european countries get millions just by asking!!!!!!
LBA is so frustrating, maybe they should close the airport and build a brand new one alongside the M1, that would solve the traffic problems and most land near the M1 is farm land and away from housing...
( if only i were kidding)
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Hello Wawkrk,
I'm not disagreeing that the roads could not and certainly should've been enhanced over the last 30 years. I'm just making the point that local authorities can't fund large schemes.
If they want to fund large schemes they need to bid for central government funds and Leeds prioritised the Inner Ring Road and the East Leeds Radial.
Bradford prioritised improvements in the city centre.
Neither really developed improvements to the airport (apart from paying lip service to it) so in that sense you are correct.
Whilst access to airports and ports is a government priority we can forget any central government funds for the forseeable future.
It's a case of making do with what we've got as Bridgepoint are unlikely to fund any enhancements other than what is stipulated in their planning approvals.
Not good news I'm afraid.
I'm not disagreeing that the roads could not and certainly should've been enhanced over the last 30 years. I'm just making the point that local authorities can't fund large schemes.
If they want to fund large schemes they need to bid for central government funds and Leeds prioritised the Inner Ring Road and the East Leeds Radial.
Bradford prioritised improvements in the city centre.
Neither really developed improvements to the airport (apart from paying lip service to it) so in that sense you are correct.
Whilst access to airports and ports is a government priority we can forget any central government funds for the forseeable future.
It's a case of making do with what we've got as Bridgepoint are unlikely to fund any enhancements other than what is stipulated in their planning approvals.
Not good news I'm afraid.
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The live flight information on the website will be amended soon, in response to customer feedback, so watch this space.
There is no confirmed start date on the terminal expansion but the airport have made good progress in discharging most of their S106 obligations during 2010, so they are good to go as and when Bridgepoint believe the economic environment is right.
Transport wise, nothing significant is going to happen any time soon other than the A65 QBI which is under construction and the potential to link up Horsforth rail station to the airport using the type of shuttle busses they have in the long-stay car parks. There is certainly a view from those at the airport with prior experience at BRS, that the transport issues are overblown. It's an easy hit for the media but feedback from passengers tells a slightly different story.
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There is no confirmed start date on the terminal expansion but the airport have made good progress in discharging most of their S106 obligations during 2010, so they are good to go as and when Bridgepoint believe the economic environment is right.
Transport wise, nothing significant is going to happen any time soon other than the A65 QBI which is under construction and the potential to link up Horsforth rail station to the airport using the type of shuttle busses they have in the long-stay car parks. There is certainly a view from those at the airport with prior experience at BRS, that the transport issues are overblown. It's an easy hit for the media but feedback from passengers tells a slightly different story.
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Forgive me if all this has been said before but I'd observe that surface access to EGNM is poor compared to most, but is not as crucial as is made out.
The road congestion affects 0730-0930 and 1630-1800 (though I'm happy to be corrected on these timings as I don't live local anymore).
This neither affects the morning flights (as most folk will arrive at the terminal before the congestion) or the evening flights for the same reason.
The congestion is only a problem is you are flying 0900-1130 or 1700-1900 that is a relatively small proportion of daily throughput.
The road congestion affects 0730-0930 and 1630-1800 (though I'm happy to be corrected on these timings as I don't live local anymore).
This neither affects the morning flights (as most folk will arrive at the terminal before the congestion) or the evening flights for the same reason.
The congestion is only a problem is you are flying 0900-1130 or 1700-1900 that is a relatively small proportion of daily throughput.