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Chowder
Suspect Jet 2 make most of their money on the 757 in the Summer so aircraft sitting around in winter is the norm, perhaps more so for Jet 2 than others like MON/BY/TC etc. Apart from Canaries i guess the 737's do the majority of the work.
Lovely
If Jet 2 gets 767 they will use them for anything and everything. I could see them picking up flights for some of the tour ops to Orlando etc easily. They will also ACMI them as the 767 is a ideal fit for a wide body sub charter. In the Winter i guess the Haj may come into play. I don't see them being used on scheduled services unless they DRY/WET lease them out - always a nice earner
Of course it's likely that if they do get 767's they won't be brand spanking new, 767 hull rates are still fairly high i'm told.
Good luck to them is all i can say, any airline expanding is good news
Suspect Jet 2 make most of their money on the 757 in the Summer so aircraft sitting around in winter is the norm, perhaps more so for Jet 2 than others like MON/BY/TC etc. Apart from Canaries i guess the 737's do the majority of the work.
Lovely
If Jet 2 gets 767 they will use them for anything and everything. I could see them picking up flights for some of the tour ops to Orlando etc easily. They will also ACMI them as the 767 is a ideal fit for a wide body sub charter. In the Winter i guess the Haj may come into play. I don't see them being used on scheduled services unless they DRY/WET lease them out - always a nice earner
Of course it's likely that if they do get 767's they won't be brand spanking new, 767 hull rates are still fairly high i'm told.
Good luck to them is all i can say, any airline expanding is good news
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purplehelmet wrote;-
"why oh why would anyone try and slag of ..."
In my experience people usually slag off anyone or anything when they see it as a threat, though what the threat would be in this particular case when there's room for both Airlines is beyond me
And before anybody jumps on the lack of autoland capability for some Jet2 a/c at LBA, it's hardly a big disadvantage is it? With alternates at MAN or DSA (which on a clear day you can practically see from the top of the LBA hill
) the inconvenience caused by any divert must, relatively speaking, be minimal.
"why oh why would anyone try and slag of ..."
In my experience people usually slag off anyone or anything when they see it as a threat, though what the threat would be in this particular case when there's room for both Airlines is beyond me
And before anybody jumps on the lack of autoland capability for some Jet2 a/c at LBA, it's hardly a big disadvantage is it? With alternates at MAN or DSA (which on a clear day you can practically see from the top of the LBA hill
) the inconvenience caused by any divert must, relatively speaking, be minimal.
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Ive just been looking at a site called flightsontime which compares all the airlines and out of thirty five airlines jet 2 came second to the bottom the only airline that was worst was globespan, i was thinking of trying them again from manchester but reading statistics like that does make you wary.
Im sure its something to do with them using very old planes which is a shame because the staff really do work hard
Im sure its something to do with them using very old planes which is a shame because the staff really do work hard
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Dont read too much into those sites, those figures are based on more established carriers, J2 is by comparison, a younger carrier than others mentioned on there, so dont have the stats like the others.
Regardless of the age of the a/c, they are still maintained to a set standard.
Dont read too much into those sites, those figures are based on more established carriers, J2 is by comparison, a younger carrier than others mentioned on there, so dont have the stats like the others.
Regardless of the age of the a/c, they are still maintained to a set standard.
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That website is a load of tosh!! They seem to have only analysed the flights they want to. flights from Jet2's main base LBA, have not even been taken into consideration!! 
Also, have they just ignored cancellations? Jet2 have a reputation not to cancel flights, but just to delay or reschedule.
Also, have they just ignored cancellations? Jet2 have a reputation not to cancel flights, but just to delay or reschedule.
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So Chowder,
I see you've not bothered to answer the questions I posed but continue to spew poisonous bile. What's up? Lack on knowledge or lack of spine? Or both?
Stick to recruiting Spannermen, Laddie! Leave the operation of airlines to seasoned, experienced professionals.
I don't think I've ever seen a more hated poster in all my time of monitoring these forums than you. Draw from that what you will.
I see you've not bothered to answer the questions I posed but continue to spew poisonous bile. What's up? Lack on knowledge or lack of spine? Or both?
Stick to recruiting Spannermen, Laddie! Leave the operation of airlines to seasoned, experienced professionals.
I don't think I've ever seen a more hated poster in all my time of monitoring these forums than you. Draw from that what you will.
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Yes another year of healthy profits to not look forward to, more and more recruitment, more bloody growth in Jet2holidays etc,stable roster, another 3-400 hrs of flying to do with nice people.
Life's hard at the bottom........
Life's hard at the bottom........
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Sorry old chap but i dont compile the stats, if jet 2 have the worst on time departure record of any UK airline thats hardly down to me, further im suprised as a "professional" yourself you refer to those very well paid, well qualified licensed engineers which your airline so depends upon for its safe operation as "spannermen", obtaining a aircraft engineers licence is no mean feat, it requires a very high level of knowledge both practical and academic and is a extremely demanding job , further all i can say is its a pity globespam didnt have more "seasoned experianced professionals" such as you ,had they they might still be here now keeping jet 2 off that bottom rung,
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Christ... Give it a rest Chowder. Although I did laugh at you and Scandic's mutual ass kiss over on the Monarch thread...
Actually GSM and Monarch have a lot in common. We have both been the smart money's bet to be the next Airline to go bust!
Getting back to Jet2 though, the reason they can keep their fleet on the ground right now is because the aircraft are all paid for!
Regarding The Hajj, from 2010 onwards, it becomes less and less attractive to UK based airlines as it moves into the end of their summer seasons. it will be interesting to see where the traditional winter ACMI airlines start sending their aircraft instead.
LJ
Actually GSM and Monarch have a lot in common. We have both been the smart money's bet to be the next Airline to go bust!
Getting back to Jet2 though, the reason they can keep their fleet on the ground right now is because the aircraft are all paid for!
Regarding The Hajj, from 2010 onwards, it becomes less and less attractive to UK based airlines as it moves into the end of their summer seasons. it will be interesting to see where the traditional winter ACMI airlines start sending their aircraft instead.
LJ
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Punctuality.
LBA,s website shows that flights out of LBA were best for punctuality (Oct) and presumably Jet2 had a large proportion of these flights so how come they came second bottom of a list of flights recorded on time?
Something seems to be at odds.
LBA,s website shows that flights out of LBA were best for punctuality (Oct) and presumably Jet2 had a large proportion of these flights so how come they came second bottom of a list of flights recorded on time?
Something seems to be at odds.
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Sorry my post upset you jet2impress, however im not a aviation person and people like me have to take seemingly pukka tables at face value, if indeed jet 2 are not as bad as that site shows could you point me to a more reliable site as im keen to give jet 2 another go, however if they really are that bad id rather pay a bit more and go with monarch from manchester as at least with monarch you know the chance of the plane breaking down is slight
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out of thirty five airlines jet 2 came second to the bottom the only airline that was worst was globespan
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Chowder
obtaining a aircraft engineers licence is no mean feat, it requires a very high level of knowledge both practical and academic and is a extremely demanding job
I would also like to express my satisfaction with J2's performance from when we have used them whether from LBA, MAN or BLK and I have used them quite extensively. Marginally, I prefer them to EZY and by a country mile to RYR.
Unlike yourself, I do have practical aviation engineering experience albeit some years ago, RAF aircraft electrical and instrument fitter, as opposed to shoving related paper round a desk. From this I can form the view that I don't give a toss how old the a/c as long as it complies with CAA requirements and is well maintained which I believe all J2's fleet is. My experience is that EZY have had more delays which possibly reflects the way the fleet is scheduled and how knock on of circumstances can cause delay. Perhaps the timeliness of an airline simply reflects optimum usage of the fleet so those with better departure punctuality may indicate that the operator underuses their a/c (price goes up) or charters (price goes up).
Perhaps you would like to reflect on your reasons for posting on here after you have considered all of the variables or alternatively just go away.
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cherrylock.
the fact is that at sometime or another every airline and every aircraft new or old will suffer delays for any amount of reasons,its a case of you pays your money you take your chances.
id be interested to know why from your first post ten days ago of "never again" with jet2 are you so "keen to give them another go" whilest most of your posts inbetween seem to question the reliability age and condition of the jet2 aircraft?
the fact is that at sometime or another every airline and every aircraft new or old will suffer delays for any amount of reasons,its a case of you pays your money you take your chances.
id be interested to know why from your first post ten days ago of "never again" with jet2 are you so "keen to give them another go" whilest most of your posts inbetween seem to question the reliability age and condition of the jet2 aircraft?
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Very few airlines or airports provide what most would call a good standard of service, this industry is the only one where customer standards have gone backwards in the last ten years, that this has happened as flight costs have fallen is no surprise, you do get what you pay for, the problem is its not uniform in terms of cost. If you paid a few quid and every thing goes well you've got a good deal, if it goes tits up then it matter not whether you've paid a few quid or a few hundred the support is at best poor, with the demise of Globespan there are only a few players now, in League 1 you have Easyjet & Ryanair and in 2 you have Jet2 and bmibaby, the first two fly new aircraft and have few problems tech wise, Easy have suffered more with snow problems this year than Ryanair like wise Jet2 have had more weather problems than bmibaby all down to the airports that they operate from plus in babys case they barley fly over the winter these days.
Jet2 own most of their aircraft and don't seem to work them too hard with some back up if it goes tech, baby lease all of theirs with no back up at all in Summer so you pays your money you take your choice non of them are very good when things go wrong, a look at Skytrax tells you the customer picture Easy are now 50/50 with Ryan who have moved there game up a few points, Jet2 are ahead of baby but are going backward in customer terms, baby are running hard to stand still, the problem is all have been forced to cut costs to try to stay with Ryanair, who now flood every corner or Europe and pax have wised up to the charges, but non offer a pleasant flight these days, where i can i will avoid all of the above and stick with AF-KLM BA SWISS they all have good deals if you book early enough, i am sick of getting mugged by the Loco's but Jet2 are no worse than the rest so give them a break Chowder
Jet2 own most of their aircraft and don't seem to work them too hard with some back up if it goes tech, baby lease all of theirs with no back up at all in Summer so you pays your money you take your choice non of them are very good when things go wrong, a look at Skytrax tells you the customer picture Easy are now 50/50 with Ryan who have moved there game up a few points, Jet2 are ahead of baby but are going backward in customer terms, baby are running hard to stand still, the problem is all have been forced to cut costs to try to stay with Ryanair, who now flood every corner or Europe and pax have wised up to the charges, but non offer a pleasant flight these days, where i can i will avoid all of the above and stick with AF-KLM BA SWISS they all have good deals if you book early enough, i am sick of getting mugged by the Loco's but Jet2 are no worse than the rest so give them a break Chowder
to operate a fleet of ancient old aircraft
By comparison, the Jet 2 fleet, esp the 757s are quiet spritely chickens.
You obviously don't like them -so please dont use them & for christs sake stop banging on about it day after day.............
blame Simon Showder for that
He nags and niggles... goes on and on,. and drives you to the point where you want to scream.
I really wish he would shut up , or change the record.
God what a bore he is!
Please,. Simon .. NO MORE jet2 nonsense.. PLEASE!
He nags and niggles... goes on and on,. and drives you to the point where you want to scream.
I really wish he would shut up , or change the record.
God what a bore he is!
Please,. Simon .. NO MORE jet2 nonsense.. PLEASE!
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You spout bile, bullsh*t & libelous 'facts' when in reality, they are the rancid ramblings of a 'Deskjockey' who publicly kisses the arse of any reader who's remotely connected with the bookies favourite airline to go bust-Monarch!
The term 'Spannermen' came about when I was paired up for 16 days with a cracking BCT engineer who was an absolute asset to the team & was a delight to be around in the bar. Our kids are the same age & we were discussing the 'X-Men' film then got onto the subject of a film about some people called the G-Men. Over a few more beers & with input from the crew we decided the pilots would be AIRmen & the engineers should be 'The Spannermen' with the best being 'Spannerman' with a Superman symbol drawn on his t-shirt. It was all good, harmless fun.
Now feel free to enlighten me as to how the term 'Spannermen' is deemed to be derogatory, offensive & unprofessional. In 20 years of being an aviation professional, I have come to know & become great friends with many engineers who I've worked with. The are generally cracking, decent, straight talking blokes who like a beer or 3 & are good company & good craic. However, I've found that generally, 'Contracts Managers' can do anything BUT manage.
You spout bile, bullsh*t & libelous 'facts' when in reality, they are the rancid ramblings of a 'Deskjockey' who publicly kisses the arse of any reader who's remotely connected with the bookies favourite airline to go bust-Monarch!
The term 'Spannermen' came about when I was paired up for 16 days with a cracking BCT engineer who was an absolute asset to the team & was a delight to be around in the bar. Our kids are the same age & we were discussing the 'X-Men' film then got onto the subject of a film about some people called the G-Men. Over a few more beers & with input from the crew we decided the pilots would be AIRmen & the engineers should be 'The Spannermen' with the best being 'Spannerman' with a Superman symbol drawn on his t-shirt. It was all good, harmless fun.
Now feel free to enlighten me as to how the term 'Spannermen' is deemed to be derogatory, offensive & unprofessional. In 20 years of being an aviation professional, I have come to know & become great friends with many engineers who I've worked with. The are generally cracking, decent, straight talking blokes who like a beer or 3 & are good company & good craic. However, I've found that generally, 'Contracts Managers' can do anything BUT manage.