BA Cityflyer

[flying phil 2007]

Thanks Dutchbird for the info,
I have had plenty of 'firm arrivals' into LCY in RJs, the RJs just look a lot more tough than the E-Jets.
No complaints about the E-Jet, the seats do feel wider, the cabin is a lot brighter.
I wondered why they put it on the LCY-EDI route that always seems to be full as there are less seats on it that the RJ100?

[DutchBird-757]

I was initially wondering the same thing. The 8712 is always full and used to be an RJ100. But is makes sense training wise. After it's previous sector(AMS-LCY) they can get two extra sectors done, up to EDI and back, which is an engineering base. It's now the winter program which is why there is an extra LCY-EDI sector at 1730.

So, 8712 at 1700, 8710 at 1730 and 8708 at 1810. (E170,RJ85,RJ100)

[flying phil 2007]

BTW, on my last trip down from EDI to LCY on a BA RJ I had Alistair Darling, his wife (I presume) and his private detective sitting right in front of me. I could have given him a poke or some advice. Love the way virtually everybody on the flight totally ignored him. In the US he would have had his own 747!
I can reveal he did drink a small bottle of red wine..

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by DutchBird-757

It's now the winter program which is why there is an extra LCY-EDI sector at 1730.

So, 8712 at 1700, 8710 at 1730 and 8708 at 1810. (E170,RJ85,RJ100)

There is no 1730 departure this winter schedule from what I can see. At present the weekday departures ex LCY are

BA8700 07:00 (E70)
BA8702 08:50 (RJ85)
BA8716 14:30 (RJ85)
BA8712 17:00 (E70)
BA8708 18:10 (RJ100)
BA8718 20:15 (RJ100)

On the EDI/LCY route BACF last summer operated 4 x RJ100 and 2 x RJ85 daily. It looks like the timetable next summer will use 4 x E170's and 2 x E190's. This mean BACF will offer 570 seats less per week. That is 114 per day. Taking this info into account will BACF add another frequency to the route next summer?.

Since the E-Jet started on the EDI route the last EDI departure for LCY, BA8717 18:50, is normally is fully booked. The BA8707, 16:30 departure, Is also normally full or has just a few seats available daily. A additional flight say around 17:30 would probably do well.

[DutchBird-757]

Well, I just checked the BA system and there is a 1730 departure but it seems only on wed/thursday's. And from late APR, early MAY, 2010 the E190's will start doing the late EDI's and returning to LCY on the next morning as the 8701/11.

Any idea how many flights/seats Cityjet are doing up to EDI these days? Are they now mostly D328's?

[towser]

I could be wrong but I think they are all 328's now. I certainly keep passing them in both directions on the 8700/3!!

[BAladdy]

AF operate 6 x daily with a D38 and 1 x daily with a RJ85.

RJ85 operates first flight ex EDI and 18:55 departure from LCY.

They offer at present offer 281 seats daily.


With BACF bringing another E70 online next week, operating MAD flights, does anyone know when the next RJ will leave the fleet?

[RJ100]

I believe G-CFAA is going back when the next next EMB comes online, so next week.

[AirLCY]

I hear the plan once all E190's delivered is to have 4 x E190 and 2 x E170 daily, unless they decide to add more daily flights.

[WHBM]

BA have a corporate sales agreement on the EDI-LCY route with Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), who have headquarters buildings in both Edinburgh and Canary Wharf. As you may have read in the press, following the financial difficulties at RBS it is to be broken up and the English banks it owns (Nat West etc) are to be separated out from the Scottish. This can only mean an end to the very substantial travel by execs of the organisationbetween the two cities, and almost certainly a significant reduction in travel on the route which has effectively been an RBS shuttle.

[CheekyVisual]

Everybody knew the RBS contract wasn't forever even in the good times. London - Edinburgh is always going to be a major business trunk route even without RBS and as the good times return so will the business. With the investment in the E Jets BA must be looking long term and that wouldn't have included RBS. I hope.

[ELondonPax]

@WHBM. Errrm, I think you are wide of the mark.
First - RBS do not have any offices in Canary Wharf - their London offices are in the City.
Second - RBS will continue to own NatWest - the divestment affects only seven NatWest branches north of the border and some RBS branches (mainly in northern England).

I have no insight on whether RBS will continue the existing commercial arrangements with BA. But there is nothing in the announcements this week that will change the need for business travel between London and Edinburgh.

[BAladdy]

BACF E170's

I see that BACF's 4th E170 (G-LCYG) has arrived at EXT today.

I was wondering how the E170 is performing??. I know from a pax point of view it is a great improvement. However how are they doing operationally.

Was in NCL on business and noticed a BACF E170 on a remote stand and a rather large queue at the BA ticket desk last Wednesday around 09:00. Guessing it was BA8700 diverted from EDI. Does anyone know if it was a weather related diversion or a tech problem?.

Finally does anyone know when BACF will publish their S10 timetable?.

Thanks in advance for any info?

[SWBKCB]

Was in NCL on business and noticed a BACF E170 on a remote stand and a rather large queue at the BA ticket desk last Wednesday around 09:00. Guessing it was BA8700 diverted from EDI. Does anyone know if it was a weather related diversion or a tech problem?.

Weather related (cross winds)

[DutchBird-757]

Remember reading 200/38G50 on the TAF that day. Same ish for GLA.

[towser]

It was weather related. They had 2 go-arounds due to windshear and in view of the fact the wind in GLA was the same or worse elected to go to Newcastle. In response to BAladdy they are performing pretty well so far. There have been a few minor issues as you might expect when introducing a new fleet but generally its been pretty good.

[cornishsimon]

any idea if they are likely to take the options / purchase rights ?

[32SQDN]

What is the difference between an 'option' and a 'purchase right'? Does anyone know?

[RJ100]

My understanding is: Options, if exercised you buy the aircraft at the same price you paid with the firm order. A purchase right just gives slots on the production line with the price to be negotiated when a deal is signed.

BACF have Options on 3 (I believe 190's) And Purchase rights on a further 15.

RJ.

[32SQDN]

Ah right - thanks for that.

15! - I didn't they had purchase rights on that many. Where would they use them?