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Old 30th Jun 2009, 08:44
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Just been looking at the advert on BA.com,

Club World business flights from London City to New York - A318 - British Airways

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Transfer to key business destinations:- Transfer to our BA CityFlyer network, connecting you to Barcelona, Geneva, Lyon, Nice, Zurich, Madrid, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Paris, Edinburgh, and Glasgow.

I agree its mainly a point to point, but they are marketing the transfer.

Interesting to see Paris making a comeback, is this a miss print or will it be on the winter timetable?
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Old 30th Jun 2009, 10:25
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I guess that one market will be those from the USA making trips to multiple points in Europe, who can start with a nice easy overnight into London City and later in the week move on to Frankfurt, Zurich, or wherever. Not direct transfers in the normal sense but reflecting what a number of extended trips require.

Always surprises me the number of Americans you encounter at LCY already on domestic and short European trips, who presumably came in/out of Heathrow some time previously. The availability of a BA network that avoids Heathrow completely wil be an advantage to them. Shhh, though, don't tell Waterside.
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Old 30th Jun 2009, 17:47
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Looks like no Paris for us. It was a misprint and has been removed from the advert.
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Or maybe they just don't want it released yet!
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1st Embraer proving flight will be op Sep 18, LCY-EDI-LCY for company/CAA.
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Have any RJ's been handed back yet? What is the plan re the handbacks and when will the last one go?
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Just seen post #468 with regards to handbacks, is that still the current plan? Also anyone know where the aircraft will reside during the handbacks?
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But who will get to fly them?

From the BALPA website
BA CITIFLYER IN CONSULTATION TO PROTECT JOBS


BA Citiflyer announced a surplus of pilots and the Company Council is consulting with the management to explore ways of protecting jobs. An on-line survey has been established to gather the views of BALPA BA Citiflyer pilots so that they can be engaged and involved in determining the future success of the company.

During the consultation process where pressure testing the company’s claims revealed that BA Citiflyer was unable to carry the cost of the surplus pilots the Company Council has engaged positively with management to explore alternatives to compulsory redundancy.

A range of voluntary options have been announced and all pilots at BA Citiflyer should have received an information pack to provide the details of the options available and how to apply. The Company Council has held further talks as part of the consultation process to explore ideas for saving any surplus pilots once the outcome of the voluntary options is known.

The collective options that would help fund the salaries and training of any surplus pilots were detailed in the Newsletter of 12 June 2009 and are outlined on the survey at the link below. All BALPA BA Citiflyer pilots are encouraged to participate in the survey that will help shape further talks with management over the coming weeks. The consultation process has been extended to allow for a formal ballot to take place in due course.
CP is at his work again!
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Old 3rd Jul 2009, 09:22
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RJ Handbacks

No the estimate in message #468 is incorrect.

G-BZAW has already left the fleet and is in the process of being painted all white at Norwich before being handed back to BAE. There is one other to leave the fleet this year, with the remainder handed back in 2010.
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BACF to recieve 300th E170

Just noticed that 4th E170, planned reg G-LCYG which is due to be delivered in November will be the 300th E170 delivery.

Does this mean it could be delivered in a special livery. Just like the 300th (G-EMBP) E145 delivered to BRAL did??

Photos: Embraer EMB-145EU (ERJ-145EU) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
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If they just got them all painted in Flybe colours now it would save the expense of a re-spray
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If they just got them all painted in Flybe colours now it would save the expense of a re-spray


I think not....... Traffic and yields are starting to creep back up at LCY. I think you have more chance of the LGW 737 fleet being painted in BE colours....
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Nah!
Jim wouldn't have any interest in either the 737s or the expensive attachments that come in the FD/Cabin, that Willy can't get rid of himself.

But the E195s? - think masterplan.

Why did BE give up the options on the 195s to BA? So that BA had the risk of getting it up and running and building a client base before disposing of it to BE.
Why did Jim not want the LCY operation in the first place? To risky and too much competition. Need a bigger purse to get it up and running, before disposing of it to BE.
Why did Cityflyer only choose between the Q400 and E195 at LCY? Because BE have them both.
Why did CP try to jump ship to BE when the FOD job was advertised? Because he won't be needed after Cityflyer is disposed of to BE.
Why would Willy continue to invest in E195s when he is loosing £401m? Because he had a crock of RJ's which nobody (including Jim) wanted so best to get the 195s up and running because they can be disposed of to Flybe.

mmmmmm!
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Why did Jim not want the LCY operation in the first place? To risky and too much competition. Need a bigger purse to get it up and running, before disposing of it to BE.
You do know that the company you are talking about used to have a major operation at LCY.....? I mean it's not as if they didn't have the chance.
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It's E190s that BA have on order - not E195s. There's a big difference performance-wise and the E195 would be a non-starter at LCY.
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CFM 146...

Thanks, that helps alot.

Time for some calls on Monday!
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Oops that should have been Cmf146, sorry!
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But the E195s? - think masterplan.
If Willie wanted to get rid off Cityflyer, I can think of a few less complicated solutions than the one you hint at....
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BACF start releasing Winter Timetable

BACF seem to be starting to publish their Winter Timetable so far it looks like this:

MAD - Remains twice daily but switches to a E170 from 12NOV09. Flight time cut from 2hrs 45m ex LCY to 2hr 20 and from MAD flight time is cut from 2hr 35m to 2hr 20m

GVA - 6 x Weekly from 14 DEC09 - 26MAR10

FRA - No Change. E170 ops 3 of the 4 flights

ZRH - Remains 4 x Daily.

NCE - Operates mostly daily

BCN - Operates 3 x Weekly

AMS - Remains 4 x Daily with BA8453/54 operated by E170

EDI - Looks like back up to 7 x daily

GLA - Remains 4 x daily

LYS - Does not return this Winter.


From what I can see the BA8453/54 E170 is only due to operate those two flights. Could there be a new route about to be announced??. Or is the EDI timetable not yet finalised

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Old 4th Jul 2009, 15:30
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From what I've heard WAW will return during summer 2010.
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