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Rumor was that there would be heavy promotion by both BACF and Embraer around the start of the service from LCY. And indeed, haven't seen anything yet.
G-LCYE is arriving in Tenerife today.
New destinations that are considered are Mallorca and Ibiza. (source Flight International of this week)
G-LCYE is arriving in Tenerife today.
New destinations that are considered are Mallorca and Ibiza. (source Flight International of this week)
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New destinations that are considered are Mallorca and Ibiza. (source Flight International of this week)
British Airways May Add Majorca, Ibiza at London City (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
I can see that happening because BA have just pulled both those routes from LGW for next summer. When they pulled NCE at LGW they added frequency at LCY.
IBZ did well last year from LGW when it was on the 735's which had 110 seats but it has been harder to fill the 734 and A319 this summer. The E170's and E190's would better suit the route.
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Just an idea;
During weekend and looking at LCY closing times why not operate for example; EDI/GLA - LCY - PMI - LCY - PMI -LGW - IBZ - etc...
Or a ´W´ pattern for an touroperater could also well work direct from EDI-GLA and then back to LGW or something. Endless variables. But it´s good to see things moving forward.
During weekend and looking at LCY closing times why not operate for example; EDI/GLA - LCY - PMI - LCY - PMI -LGW - IBZ - etc...
Or a ´W´ pattern for an touroperater could also well work direct from EDI-GLA and then back to LGW or something. Endless variables. But it´s good to see things moving forward.
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Equally if they were to take the options on the E190's and increase the fleet size they could operate through LGW to increase capacity on some of the shuttle routes without increasing the LGW fleet size.
ie Cityflyer, EDI-LCY-EDI-LGW-EDI-LGW-JER-LGW-EDI-LCY
etc etc etc
ie Cityflyer, EDI-LCY-EDI-LGW-EDI-LGW-JER-LGW-EDI-LCY
etc etc etc
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DB,
These routes you outline, are already well covered and have been for years, by the low cost operators from GLA and EDI, the London area and beyond, is overwhelmed with similar operators. Do the commercial dept of BACF really think there is a meaningful market within the LCY catchment area to make this work with 70 or 90 seats on offer? or does the commercial dept of Iberia have some potential influence.......
I see BACF as a business airline, carrying higher spending customers, in order to absorb their greater cost base, I am unconvinced that charters to Palma amd Ibiza, from LCY or GLA would be the solution, although there may be some spin off from the Olympics, but I guess that, is a one off.
I must say, though, the 170 looks really good in BA livery.
These routes you outline, are already well covered and have been for years, by the low cost operators from GLA and EDI, the London area and beyond, is overwhelmed with similar operators. Do the commercial dept of BACF really think there is a meaningful market within the LCY catchment area to make this work with 70 or 90 seats on offer? or does the commercial dept of Iberia have some potential influence.......
I see BACF as a business airline, carrying higher spending customers, in order to absorb their greater cost base, I am unconvinced that charters to Palma amd Ibiza, from LCY or GLA would be the solution, although there may be some spin off from the Olympics, but I guess that, is a one off.
I must say, though, the 170 looks really good in BA livery.
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Indeed, maybe ex EDI/GLA isn't such a good idea. But the ski charters did well a while back so why not summer charters. Either from LCY or EDI/GLA.
Remember that BCN is mostly a leisure destination from LCY and does well. I know it's stopped from OCT 24 but that's because it's seasonal. Leisure ex LCY seems to work. Why would you want an aircraft on the ground doing nothing when you could use it to fill the gaps between office hours and make some money.
Here's G-LCYE:
Copyright Rafael Nunes.
Remember that BCN is mostly a leisure destination from LCY and does well. I know it's stopped from OCT 24 but that's because it's seasonal. Leisure ex LCY seems to work. Why would you want an aircraft on the ground doing nothing when you could use it to fill the gaps between office hours and make some money.
Here's G-LCYE:
Copyright Rafael Nunes.
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The one next to 'YE' is an Augsburg Airways (LH regional) Embraer 195.
C/N19000310D-AEMFops as Lufthansa Regionalnot yet delivered
That's nbr 6 for them to be delivered.
CH-Aviation - Airline News, Fleet Lists & More
Lufthansa opted to expedite the replacement of 45 aircraft seating roughly 50pax (ATR and CRJ's) and replace them with these E195's. Less maintenance, standard fleet, efficient and more seats. No precise timefame given though.
FTD.de | Milliardensparprogramm: Lufthansa mustert kleine Flieger aus
C/N19000310D-AEMFops as Lufthansa Regionalnot yet delivered
That's nbr 6 for them to be delivered.
CH-Aviation - Airline News, Fleet Lists & More
Lufthansa opted to expedite the replacement of 45 aircraft seating roughly 50pax (ATR and CRJ's) and replace them with these E195's. Less maintenance, standard fleet, efficient and more seats. No precise timefame given though.
FTD.de | Milliardensparprogramm: Lufthansa mustert kleine Flieger aus
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DB - I agree with your comments, if BACF can get the business great, but there's a lot of competition out there, but I am not convinced, it is a winner, but perhaps worth a try rather than have the aircraft parked up doing nothing. In the big scheme of things, I guess it will all be decided by those at Waterside anyway.
Cool pic.
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More info regarding the upcoming deliveries;
c/n
00294 170STD G-LCYD BA CITYFLYER
00295 170STD JAPAN AIR LINES
00296 170STD G-LCYE BA CITYFLYER
00298 170STD G-LCYF BA CITYFLYER Expected delivery 31-10-2009
00300 170STD G-LCYG BA CITYFLYER
00302 170STD G-LCYH BA CITYFLYER
I couldn't find 'YI' on the shortlist just yet.
G-BZAX will leave the fleet at the end of this month. (SEP)
And regarding charters. The bottom line should be making money, right? And if there's money to be made it should at least be looked at seriously. As long as you don't disrupt the core business and p*** off your crew etc.
c/n
00294 170STD G-LCYD BA CITYFLYER
00295 170STD JAPAN AIR LINES
00296 170STD G-LCYE BA CITYFLYER
00298 170STD G-LCYF BA CITYFLYER Expected delivery 31-10-2009
00300 170STD G-LCYG BA CITYFLYER
00302 170STD G-LCYH BA CITYFLYER
I couldn't find 'YI' on the shortlist just yet.
G-BZAX will leave the fleet at the end of this month. (SEP)
And regarding charters. The bottom line should be making money, right? And if there's money to be made it should at least be looked at seriously. As long as you don't disrupt the core business and p*** off your crew etc.
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What Ho! Towser,
I am delighted to read your news, I was only questioning the viability of DB's suggestion.
We have both worked for the same company - and we both know only too well how it all works. I wish BACF all the very best with its charter operation, it is outwith their business model, but as the banks are stuffed for cash, moving their jobsworths up and down from EDI to LCY then, great idea, fill those seats with stag and hen parties doing charters to PMI, IBZ and PMI again or BCN - its a great way of making money and with onboard sales, the CC will be delighted with the commission.
I am delighted to read your news, I was only questioning the viability of DB's suggestion.
We have both worked for the same company - and we both know only too well how it all works. I wish BACF all the very best with its charter operation, it is outwith their business model, but as the banks are stuffed for cash, moving their jobsworths up and down from EDI to LCY then, great idea, fill those seats with stag and hen parties doing charters to PMI, IBZ and PMI again or BCN - its a great way of making money and with onboard sales, the CC will be delighted with the commission.
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The one next to 'YE' is an Augsburg Airways (LH regional) Embraer 195.
C/N19000310D-AEMFops as Lufthansa Regionalnot yet delivered
Cheers for the info, DB
C/N19000310D-AEMFops as Lufthansa Regionalnot yet delivered
Cheers for the info, DB
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Towser, further to my last post, I really ought to pay more attention... I seem to have overlooked your salient point... "you have spoken to those concerned and looking at charters in a big way, and on all sorts of possible routes" That's great, fantastic! now where have I heard that before? I must have missed have missed something over the last few years.
I do wish Barbiesboyfriend or Brainfade would pitch in, although I think he/she/it/volvodealer/ was banned for being non pc.
seeing as I am on a roll in the forum!
FF
I do wish Barbiesboyfriend or Brainfade would pitch in, although I think he/she/it/volvodealer/ was banned for being non pc.
seeing as I am on a roll in the forum!FF
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Flatspin. I too have heard these sort of things before and I too will wait and see what happens. However there does seem to be a different attitude than there has been in the past so who knows.