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ViriginBlue; What DUS route? The last time we went to DUS it was direct from EDI and everything we do is now through LCY. If you mean from LCY then no idea but I doubt it
I must admit that I do not know whether the route was not started before for commercial reasons or due to a lack of suitable slots at DUS. Given the traditional slot issues at DUS I would suspect the latter.
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I`m sure the F50 could do LCY - DUS, but why would you want be sat on a 20year old turboprop for 1h30 when you could be on a brand new EJET and be there in less than an hour!. 
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The route has always been served by an ATR42 turboprop, first by EAE, later by Lufthansa. So not much change if a Fokker 50 would take over (VLM used to serve nearby MGL (or "Düsseldorf Express" as it was called) from LCY for many years.
Cityjet's applications started before the VLM take-over which explains why they always specified the RJ85 in their applicatiions. If they are awarded slots, they can, of course, use any aircraft type they want.
Cityjet's applications started before the VLM take-over which explains why they always specified the RJ85 in their applicatiions. If they are awarded slots, they can, of course, use any aircraft type they want.
Possibly because on such a route a $1m 50-seat turboprop stands a little more chance of breaking even than a brand new $35m 70-seat jet. And thus the route might well survive long enough for you to be able to use it again.
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removing tongue from cheek on what i still believe is the cityflyer forum!
Dus has always been hard to keep consistent volume. Even on the established routes BA had from BHX and MAN the aircraft was always changing from 110 seat RJ to 50 seat EMB 145. A new route from city would benefit from a small aircraft with lots of rotations to build up the route.
If cityflyer starts it will be a nice brand new $35M 76 seat jet, or even a nice 97 seat one!
Dus has always been hard to keep consistent volume. Even on the established routes BA had from BHX and MAN the aircraft was always changing from 110 seat RJ to 50 seat EMB 145. A new route from city would benefit from a small aircraft with lots of rotations to build up the route.
If cityflyer starts it will be a nice brand new $35M 76 seat jet, or even a nice 97 seat one!
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Dus would be a good addition to the BACF route network. As would STR and possibly HAM.
On other news and sorry if it has already been discussed but I read in the BACF staff communication, the flyer, BACF are to delay the delivery of the last E190 to Novemeber rather than the previously planned delivery date of June.
In a quote from the flyer "It is important to stress that this delay will not impact on people’s jobs as the Company will carry the staff surplus through this five month period. It is also important to advise that this aircraft delay will not impact on our current route network, the 11th aircraft will bring growth from our planned Summer 2010 operation".
I wonder if this means winter 10/11 will see more ski routes and maybe more winter city break destinations such as WAW, PRG, BUD and MUC.
On other news and sorry if it has already been discussed but I read in the BACF staff communication, the flyer, BACF are to delay the delivery of the last E190 to Novemeber rather than the previously planned delivery date of June.
In a quote from the flyer "It is important to stress that this delay will not impact on people’s jobs as the Company will carry the staff surplus through this five month period. It is also important to advise that this aircraft delay will not impact on our current route network, the 11th aircraft will bring growth from our planned Summer 2010 operation".
I wonder if this means winter 10/11 will see more ski routes and maybe more winter city break destinations such as WAW, PRG, BUD and MUC.
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Besides the EDI flights to CAG expect GLA-ALC and GLA-PMI as well for the summer season. Those are still unofficial. Maybe someone can have a look into the scheduele for these GLA charters?
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One slight concern here from my Waterworld enclave! Have we not done all this before at least twice under various names and it has all ended up in tears? I just hope that this will not be the same conclusion once more. Can you convince me that the EMB is robust enough to fulfill LOCO weekend work? Expect to see other carriers with larger aircraft covering these routes as well!
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I think the Emb is in a class of its own, Due to its size it fits into a niche market. I think that's why the 170 has been popular in gaining ad hock charter work as no other aircraft fits into its size and performance envelope. If we are doing the CAG charters form Edi according to Sardatur website the flights will be configured J class. Hardly loco work. Due to its size i think we will do well. sometimes you do not need a 130 - 150 seat 737 or airbus. We will be able to pick up all the extra or unusual work when a large aircraft will not do.
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HZ123 Yes we have done most of this before and yes it mainly has ended in tears! However the tears before were due,mainly, to a combination of technical problems with the aircraft and crew levels. The tech problems had a knock on effect on the crew levels due to hours. The Embraer so far is proving very reliable indeed and we are told we have enough crew!! Also if the charters are done from EDI and GLA crews don't need to be positioned around thus saving more hours. Like yourself not all of us are convinced but we will have the spare aircraft capacity at the weekends so we might as well give it a go. If it works it makes money.
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A. Some good news;
Extra frequency added to new London City routes. (PMI,IBZ and EDI)
British Airways is to increase peak season frequency on its new services to Majorca and Ibiza, less than a month after announcing the launch of the new routes from London City Airport. The new services to the Balearic Islands direct from the Docklands take off in May 2010.
But the destinations are proving so popular that British Airways is now planning to increase the schedule from three to five flights a week to Palma and from three to four flights a week to Ibiza during July and August.
Passengers who book on ba.com before January 26 can also take advantage of the BA sale, with one way all-inclusive fares from £61.
Travelling direct from London City on the brand new Embraer 190 aircraft, passengers can be on the beach in the Balearics in less than three hours.
It’s the first time British Airways has operated leisure only flights from London City but there is a growing demand for flights to the sun, particularly with customers looking for short breaks.
The initial three-times-a-week service will operate on Friday, Sunday and Monday, offering an ideal schedule for passengers looking for a weekend or longer break. The extra Majorca flights will operate on Tuesdays and Thursdays and the extra Ibiza flights on Wednesdays.
Luke Hayhoe, commercial manager for BA CityFlyer, said: “We are delighted with the response from passengers and our forward bookings demonstrate their commitment to these new leisure routes. It was always our intention to increase the frequency if the demand was there, now less than a month after announcing the new routes we can fulfil that promise.”
British Airways is also increasing frequency to Edinburgh from London City, with seven flights a day from capital to capital from March 29.
B. Some less good news;
LCY - AMS down to 3 daily flights during the summer. Most propably to accomodate some of the above mentioned.
C. Other news; (E190 ops)
G-LCYJ Embraer EMB 190 SR On order. Due 07 Mar 10 - Due I/S 15 Mar 09.
G-LCYK Embraer EMB 190 SR On order. Due 11 Apr 10
etc..
Extra frequency added to new London City routes. (PMI,IBZ and EDI)
British Airways is to increase peak season frequency on its new services to Majorca and Ibiza, less than a month after announcing the launch of the new routes from London City Airport. The new services to the Balearic Islands direct from the Docklands take off in May 2010.
But the destinations are proving so popular that British Airways is now planning to increase the schedule from three to five flights a week to Palma and from three to four flights a week to Ibiza during July and August.
Passengers who book on ba.com before January 26 can also take advantage of the BA sale, with one way all-inclusive fares from £61.
Travelling direct from London City on the brand new Embraer 190 aircraft, passengers can be on the beach in the Balearics in less than three hours.
It’s the first time British Airways has operated leisure only flights from London City but there is a growing demand for flights to the sun, particularly with customers looking for short breaks.
The initial three-times-a-week service will operate on Friday, Sunday and Monday, offering an ideal schedule for passengers looking for a weekend or longer break. The extra Majorca flights will operate on Tuesdays and Thursdays and the extra Ibiza flights on Wednesdays.
Luke Hayhoe, commercial manager for BA CityFlyer, said: “We are delighted with the response from passengers and our forward bookings demonstrate their commitment to these new leisure routes. It was always our intention to increase the frequency if the demand was there, now less than a month after announcing the new routes we can fulfil that promise.”
British Airways is also increasing frequency to Edinburgh from London City, with seven flights a day from capital to capital from March 29.
B. Some less good news;
LCY - AMS down to 3 daily flights during the summer. Most propably to accomodate some of the above mentioned.
C. Other news; (E190 ops)
G-LCYJ Embraer EMB 190 SR On order. Due 07 Mar 10 - Due I/S 15 Mar 09.
G-LCYK Embraer EMB 190 SR On order. Due 11 Apr 10
etc..
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Looks like LCY/FRA being reduced in frequency from 4 to 3 daily. BA8737/8738 removed from timetable.
Very suprised to see there is no increase in frequency for the BCN and NCE services.
Does anyone know if the current timetable in the system is the finalised one or are more changes expected?.
Very suprised to see there is no increase in frequency for the BCN and NCE services.
Does anyone know if the current timetable in the system is the finalised one or are more changes expected?.
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Again, the late FRA could well free up one aircraft to do a PMI or IBZ. (1600 till 2000z) And if that aircraft is a LCY nightstopper then you'll have an aircraft available from 1500z till LCY closure at 2230z.
The last E190 that is now due in OCT IIRC was there for expansion. So maybe once this aircraft is available the AMS/FRA will return. I suspect the cxd AMS to be the 8453/8454.
If above is correct then they are putting a lot of weight into these PMI/IBZ's!
The last E190 that is now due in OCT IIRC was there for expansion. So maybe once this aircraft is available the AMS/FRA will return. I suspect the cxd AMS to be the 8453/8454.
If above is correct then they are putting a lot of weight into these PMI/IBZ's!
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See the Inland revenue have decided how much tax the crew should pay on FDP got the letter this morning, only 45 pence will be tax free the rest will be taxed at your usual rate!!
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It's been rather quiet in this thread but here's the first picture of the first of five Embraer E190SR, G-LCYJ, in SJK!
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