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Originally Posted by BAladdy
Just wondering is a RJ100/RJ85 also able to fly a Bae146-300 aicraft without having to be retrained.
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Stored at Exeter
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You are a bit out of date on the stored 146 situation at Exeter.
2 x 100's were scrapped years ago and the ex BA one is in the Philippines.
Of the three srs 200's still present, G-GNTZ is engineless and there are only 6 x 300's still stored, of which only one is ex BA ( G-OINV ).
You are a bit out of date on the stored 146 situation at Exeter.
2 x 100's were scrapped years ago and the ex BA one is in the Philippines.
Of the three srs 200's still present, G-GNTZ is engineless and there are only 6 x 300's still stored, of which only one is ex BA ( G-OINV ).
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I read in The Times today, that both Airbus and Boeing are expecting 2009 to be a "very, very bad year" for aircraft manufacturers! As airlines have absolutely NO appetite for new aircraft orders.
Whilst I applaud the optimism of those at BACF, I can't help wondering if their management are fully in touch with reality?
Let's face it. They do have a track record of incompetence and failure!!
Things ARE beginning to look much worse for 2009!
Whilst I applaud the optimism of those at BACF, I can't help wondering if their management are fully in touch with reality?
Let's face it. They do have a track record of incompetence and failure!!
Things ARE beginning to look much worse for 2009!
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I think what Tandem is saying is if they could not get it right in the good times when airlines were prospering, there is little optimism for 2009 given their track record. I hope he is proved wrong, but fear he may well be correct.
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I actually think BACF will do ok. It's a niche operation, which I have no doubt has made good money in the 'good times'. Certainly good enough to have given the workers a better payrise!
I was merely reflecting on the 'credentials' of those at the top.
How I meant to end, was by saying:
Things ARE beginning to look much worse for the economy in 2009!
Which I can only assume would make it very difficult to justify significant capital expenditure. Even given what I said in the first line.
BACF will do fine, whatever they fly next year. Though investment will be required at some stage.
I was merely reflecting on the 'credentials' of those at the top.
How I meant to end, was by saying:
Things ARE beginning to look much worse for the economy in 2009!
Which I can only assume would make it very difficult to justify significant capital expenditure. Even given what I said in the first line.
BACF will do fine, whatever they fly next year. Though investment will be required at some stage.
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Well I would not know too much about those at the top regarding major investment at BACF, at the end of the day, its all about what BA wish to do with their wholly owned subsidury, for it is they who hold the purse strings, as I have said before, it would be a bold investment, given the current economy of the UK and the world for that matter ( Gordon Brown has saved the world ha ! so all will be fine ), should BA decide to do so would be fantastic news for all at BACF.
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Timetable Changes Jan-Feb
Just noticed BACF have brought out a revised timetable from 05JAN09 guessing due to them being two aircraft down. The changes are as follows
Warsaw
Route withdrawn from 05Jan
Edinburgh
Frequency to drop to 7 x per weekday. Southbound flights now depart EDI
Mon-Thu at 06:30, 07:20, 08:10, 09:05, 16:00, 18:25 & 19:10
Friday at 06:30, 07:20, 09:05, 11:35, 16:00, 18:25 & 19:10
Saturday at 08:00 (No Change)
Sunday at 11:50, 14:50, 16:35 & 19:10
Northbound flights now depart LCY
Mon-Thu at 07:00, 08:55, 10:15, 16:20, 17:00, 18:05 & 20:45
Friday at 07:00, 08:55, 13:45, 16:20, 17:00, 18:05 & 20:45
Saturday at 09:15, 09:55 & 11:40 (No Change)
Sunday at 17:00,18:00 & 19:20
Barcelona
Flights to BCN will operate Thu, Fri & Sun only
Nice
BA8747/8 are withdrawn. BA8745/6 will operate between 3-5 x weekly departing at various times
Amsterdam
Flights to AMS remain 4 x daily with 08:10 departure changed to 08:40. Sunday timetable also changed with flight ex AMS landing at LCY 12:45 and LCY/AMS leaving at the later time of 19:25.
Zurich
Changes from 5 to 4 x daily. BA8761/2 withdrawn Mon-Fri. From ZRH the other 4 services will depart at there current departure times. From LCY on a Mon-Fri BA8763 will change from a 09:25 departure to 08:05 and BA8765 will change from a 11:55 departure to a 12:05. BA8767/9 and weekend flights remain unchanged.
Glasgow
No Changes
Frankfurt
No Changes
Madrid
No Changes
Lyon
No Changes
Geneva
No Changes
Dublin
No Changes.
I think that the info above is fairly accurate. However I am sure there may be a few days where flights are canx etc due to loads.
Suprised to see WAW pulled all together. However I know loads aint been good. Would have thought AMS would have been for some kind of cut as loads aint all that great. BCN & NCE no real suprise as these routes are more popular in the summer. Noticed the loads on the GVA and LYS aren't great. I think if BACF had announced the route earlier LYS inparticular would be busier. As most people book there xmas travel from late August.
Does anyone know when BACF will announce their Summer 09 timetable?? and will we see any new routes ex LCY next summer. They could make a bit of money operating to places such as AGP/FAO in the summer if they advertised well.
Warsaw
Route withdrawn from 05Jan
Edinburgh
Frequency to drop to 7 x per weekday. Southbound flights now depart EDI
Mon-Thu at 06:30, 07:20, 08:10, 09:05, 16:00, 18:25 & 19:10
Friday at 06:30, 07:20, 09:05, 11:35, 16:00, 18:25 & 19:10
Saturday at 08:00 (No Change)
Sunday at 11:50, 14:50, 16:35 & 19:10
Northbound flights now depart LCY
Mon-Thu at 07:00, 08:55, 10:15, 16:20, 17:00, 18:05 & 20:45
Friday at 07:00, 08:55, 13:45, 16:20, 17:00, 18:05 & 20:45
Saturday at 09:15, 09:55 & 11:40 (No Change)
Sunday at 17:00,18:00 & 19:20
Barcelona
Flights to BCN will operate Thu, Fri & Sun only
Nice
BA8747/8 are withdrawn. BA8745/6 will operate between 3-5 x weekly departing at various times
Amsterdam
Flights to AMS remain 4 x daily with 08:10 departure changed to 08:40. Sunday timetable also changed with flight ex AMS landing at LCY 12:45 and LCY/AMS leaving at the later time of 19:25.
Zurich
Changes from 5 to 4 x daily. BA8761/2 withdrawn Mon-Fri. From ZRH the other 4 services will depart at there current departure times. From LCY on a Mon-Fri BA8763 will change from a 09:25 departure to 08:05 and BA8765 will change from a 11:55 departure to a 12:05. BA8767/9 and weekend flights remain unchanged.
Glasgow
No Changes
Frankfurt
No Changes
Madrid
No Changes
Lyon
No Changes
Geneva
No Changes
Dublin
No Changes.
I think that the info above is fairly accurate. However I am sure there may be a few days where flights are canx etc due to loads.
Suprised to see WAW pulled all together. However I know loads aint been good. Would have thought AMS would have been for some kind of cut as loads aint all that great. BCN & NCE no real suprise as these routes are more popular in the summer. Noticed the loads on the GVA and LYS aren't great. I think if BACF had announced the route earlier LYS inparticular would be busier. As most people book there xmas travel from late August.
Does anyone know when BACF will announce their Summer 09 timetable?? and will we see any new routes ex LCY next summer. They could make a bit of money operating to places such as AGP/FAO in the summer if they advertised well.
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EI Codeshare DUB/LCY
BACF and EI are to enter into a codeshare agreement on BACF's LCY/DUB route. The agreement starts from 24 DEC 08
Hopefully with EI codesharing this will see an increase in pax originating from Ireland. I also wonder how if at all this will affect the loads on WX/AF services to DUB.
Hopefully with EI codesharing this will see an increase in pax originating from Ireland. I also wonder how if at all this will affect the loads on WX/AF services to DUB.
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To add a touch on the FLybe EXT stock of 146's. Don't forget some of the Flyer lads have the 146 on their licence and time a plenty on G-OINV, G-MANS and G-GNTZ too.
However, G-OINV and G-MANS don't have steep approach fitted, and G-GNTZ doesn't have any engines right now, so no help there then.
So much for a quick fix.
The "Difference course" is only a couple of days anyway, and easily done if needed. Just remember the spoilers don't come out until you pull the stick of shame and you need to fly the nose down yourself first! The rest is pretty straight forward!
However, G-OINV and G-MANS don't have steep approach fitted, and G-GNTZ doesn't have any engines right now, so no help there then.
So much for a quick fix.
The "Difference course" is only a couple of days anyway, and easily done if needed. Just remember the spoilers don't come out until you pull the stick of shame and you need to fly the nose down yourself first! The rest is pretty straight forward!
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LCY - is the perfect place for standby travel. I have flown as SLF on the LCY DUB a few times of late, and the loads are really weak. Really surprised that this route has survived the schedule cuts, unless BA see it as a loss leader in a fight to get AF out of London.
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The cuts in the scheduel are until 29 March. Lately the WAW is doing really well with the odd offload due to weight restrictions out of LCY. But your down one aircraft for about 7 hours a day when operating the WAW.
AMS and DUB are doing well seeing they've only been running for 6-9 months. And BAladdy, you're dead right about the need for advertising/promotion.
AMS and DUB are doing well seeing they've only been running for 6-9 months. And BAladdy, you're dead right about the need for advertising/promotion.
Christmas comes early?
From Flight:
BA orders 11 Embraer regional jets for CityFlyer
By Nicholas Ionides
British Airways (BA) has ordered 11 Embraer regional jets for use by its BA CityFlyer subsidiary. Embraer says in a statement that the deal comprises six E-170s and five E-190SRs on firm order, plus options for three more E-190SRs.
The first 76-seat E-170 is due for delivery in the second half of 2009. Deliveries of the larger, 98-seat E-190SRs will start later, says Embraer.
BA had been evaluating replacements for some time for its Avro RJ100s and RJ85s that are operated by its CityFlyer unit. The new Embraer aircraft will be operated out of London City Airport.
By Nicholas Ionides
British Airways (BA) has ordered 11 Embraer regional jets for use by its BA CityFlyer subsidiary. Embraer says in a statement that the deal comprises six E-170s and five E-190SRs on firm order, plus options for three more E-190SRs.
The first 76-seat E-170 is due for delivery in the second half of 2009. Deliveries of the larger, 98-seat E-190SRs will start later, says Embraer.
BA had been evaluating replacements for some time for its Avro RJ100s and RJ85s that are operated by its CityFlyer unit. The new Embraer aircraft will be operated out of London City Airport.
