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Nice example to demonstrate how dependent LCY operations are on a very small number of LCY-capable aircraft and a few airlines with an ACMI-style of operation when it comes to third-party operations.
To the best of my knowledge, there is not a single RJ85 available on the market and only two or three ex THY RJ100 (which, IIRC, are not in the best shape). And while Star Alliance or Skyteam have a number of airlines under their umbrella with sizeable fleets of Avro RJs / BAe 146 that can be shifted if urgently needed, oneworld has nothing comparable at its disposal. Will be interesting to see how BACF will cope.
To the best of my knowledge, there is not a single RJ85 available on the market and only two or three ex THY RJ100 (which, IIRC, are not in the best shape). And while Star Alliance or Skyteam have a number of airlines under their umbrella with sizeable fleets of Avro RJs / BAe 146 that can be shifted if urgently needed, oneworld has nothing comparable at its disposal. Will be interesting to see how BACF will cope.
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It's got a impact on our ops. Cxd flights, Titan called in, and a re-shuffle of the program. For DEC only, a few rotations are cancelled.
Other rotations cancelled on selected days only. Emphasis is to only cancel flights that have low pre-booking numbers and to minimise the impact during the christmas period on our customers.
Sad to hear our Flightline colleagues lose their job just before christmas.
Other rotations cancelled on selected days only. Emphasis is to only cancel flights that have low pre-booking numbers and to minimise the impact during the christmas period on our customers.
Sad to hear our Flightline colleagues lose their job just before christmas.
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Errr... don't know where you got that info from since G-FLTB was flown out of EDI on the evening of the 3rd (Wednesday)! I flew it! 
As of 1430hrs today, G-FLTB was 'staying put' in EDI. Had been towed from the SE Pier am and parked over by the cargo ramp. BAA were insisting it stayed till further notice...
2 cancellations AM out of EDI due to 'Operational Reasons'... aka Administration procedures taking place to wind up Flight Line...
2 cancellations AM out of EDI due to 'Operational Reasons'... aka Administration procedures taking place to wind up Flight Line...
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Thanks for that... I think I may have something to move onto fairly quickly but I sadly suspect that a number of my former colleagues will not be so lucky!
Thanks for that... I think I may have something to move onto fairly quickly but I sadly suspect that a number of my former colleagues will not be so lucky!
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... On the evening of the 3rd - you quite probably DID fly FLTB out of EDI, but I can assure you that as of 1430hrs (afternoon of the 3rd) the BAA were not letting it go. Must have been serious negotiations behind the scenes....
... On the evening of the 3rd - you quite probably DID fly FLTB out of EDI, but I can assure you that as of 1430hrs (afternoon of the 3rd) the BAA were not letting it go. Must have been serious negotiations behind the scenes....
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In fact the negotiations were not as major as one would think. Finding the correct people to speak to was the main problem but once they were tracked down, then the ball started to roll fairly quickly! 
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Tomorrow perhaps?
Maybe happyslapper has the 'inside track'??
Announcement should come by end of first week of December acc to company. If not, they'll let us know.
Maybe happyslapper has the 'inside track'??
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Well, things have changed a little bit since they said it was gonna be end of this week. (demise of Flightline)
They are currently working on the schedueles for JAN 09 to minimise the disruption to our passengers. Our roster publication has been delayed by at least two days in order to get all the planning sorted.
Personally, I don't see them make any announcement this year.
(The E170-190 would be a very nice x-mass present...
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They are currently working on the schedueles for JAN 09 to minimise the disruption to our passengers. Our roster publication has been delayed by at least two days in order to get all the planning sorted.
Personally, I don't see them make any announcement this year.
(The E170-190 would be a very nice x-mass present...
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It is sad about Flightline, but I would very surprised if this has any bearing upon a major commercial investment by British Airways for their wholly owned subsiduary at EDI and LCY. If the announcement, was rumored, to be announced, last week, or the week before, or indeed this week, the fact that Flightline has gone belly up, I would suggest has little to do with it and if Cityflyer are about to operate EMB 170's or 190's this decision would have been taken some time ago. I would have thought the last thing BACF would need right now, is to acquire more 146's or RJ's call them what you will they are much the same to travel in - they need modern, fuel effeicent aircraft, with passenger appeal...... perhaps,as Dutchbird says, it would be a nice Christmas present for all if BA were to announce their decision next week, to reinvest in the rumored 170's etc, and as I said in some previous posts, I really hope it happens for all those guys at Cityflyer. We live in interesting times - may the best for all occur.
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Just wondering is a RJ100/RJ85 also able to fly a Bae146-300 aicraft without having to be retrained.
If they wouldn't require retraining I am suprised that as a temporary measure they are not leasing in 146 aircraft. At present flybe have 8x 300 series, 5 x 200 series and 2 x 100 series doing nothing at the moment in Exeter. 3 of which are ex BACON aircraft. (G-OINV, G-MANS, G-GNTZ) all of which I believe still have the BA style seating.
If they wouldn't require retraining I am suprised that as a temporary measure they are not leasing in 146 aircraft. At present flybe have 8x 300 series, 5 x 200 series and 2 x 100 series doing nothing at the moment in Exeter. 3 of which are ex BACON aircraft. (G-OINV, G-MANS, G-GNTZ) all of which I believe still have the BA style seating.
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One 100 and 2 200 types with less seating. Maybe they may well wait and see what the New Year brings. If loads carry on downwards there will be no need for more a/c.
Thats not right it is more likely to be 2 x 300 and 1 x 200?
Thats not right it is more likely to be 2 x 300 and 1 x 200?
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