DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 4
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I see the airport are bragging that the Dublin route is approaching 1 million passengers - surely it shouldn't have taken 11+ years to reach such a milestone? It's a shame the press don't pick up on little details like that.
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ive been watching the fortunes (or misfortunes) of teesside airport and i have been wondering with GSM almost gone and not alot of hope for the future what do you think would be the feasability of a carrier with maybe smaller aircraft or a new start up operating?
If a established carrier what aircraft and routes do you think would work well?
If new carrier again what aircraft and routes?
Thanks Jamie
If a established carrier what aircraft and routes do you think would work well?
If new carrier again what aircraft and routes?
Thanks Jamie
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There's no way Flyglobespan are going to come back next summer and I don't know why they keep denying it when the press keep asking them. They have no plans to base an aircraft here otherwise they would have released next summer's flights by now. The other bases have been on sale for about 2 months now so they obviously aren't coming back to DTV!
As for a new carrier taking over, I seriously doubt it - especially at the moment. The question of who would come has no answer ... Jet2 are at NCL, as are Easy and Flybe, therefore who does that leave ...
Ryanair won't base here - there just isn't the scope for 189 people to enough destinations sadly. Thomas Cook are at NCL and LBA, Thomson(fly) obviously want away too.
It seems the perfect aircraft size is hard to find, I would suggest the Embraer 190 like Flybe have would be perfect, but who operates them in Europe? Only Flybe, KLM and Flybaboo that I know of? None of those 3 are going to base here so I don't know. The economics of an MME base are not that bad, it's just that elsewhere the economics are better (much better, in some cases).
As for MME closing, I don't see it at the moment, do Peel have some sort of masterplan to run the place down to get the least amount of traffic while they upgrade the airfield with the full length parallel taxiway and all the other stuff?
At the moment they're putting in new approach lighting at the 23 and 05 end, new yellow masts have gone in in the last few weeks, photo is available on the local DTV spotting site. Presumably they will replace the old lighting columns at both ends. Good to see things coming on!
As for a new carrier taking over, I seriously doubt it - especially at the moment. The question of who would come has no answer ... Jet2 are at NCL, as are Easy and Flybe, therefore who does that leave ...
Ryanair won't base here - there just isn't the scope for 189 people to enough destinations sadly. Thomas Cook are at NCL and LBA, Thomson(fly) obviously want away too.It seems the perfect aircraft size is hard to find, I would suggest the Embraer 190 like Flybe have would be perfect, but who operates them in Europe? Only Flybe, KLM and Flybaboo that I know of? None of those 3 are going to base here so I don't know. The economics of an MME base are not that bad, it's just that elsewhere the economics are better (much better, in some cases).
As for MME closing, I don't see it at the moment, do Peel have some sort of masterplan to run the place down to get the least amount of traffic while they upgrade the airfield with the full length parallel taxiway and all the other stuff?
At the moment they're putting in new approach lighting at the 23 and 05 end, new yellow masts have gone in in the last few weeks, photo is available on the local DTV spotting site. Presumably they will replace the old lighting columns at both ends. Good to see things coming on!
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Another setback
I gather that the met people are soon to remove both Humberside & MME from ATIS broadcasts, i gather Coventry may go on the broadcast all to do with commercial movements?
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I am beginning to agree that is does look unlikely that GSM are going to come back next summer, but I don't understand why? From what I hear they have had a pretty successful summer from MME with very healthy loads and yield, even to Alicante up against Ryanair. (isn't it the GSM business model that if it does not make a profit it doesn't go and I don't think there has been any schedule changes from MME this summer). So has the management told GSM that they have done a deal with someone like Ryanair and that is why GSM have stopped flying from here now?
Otherwise it is going to be one of the quietest summers for a long time at MME next year, and it just means flights from other airports are going to be just that little bit fuller.
Otherwise it is going to be one of the quietest summers for a long time at MME next year, and it just means flights from other airports are going to be just that little bit fuller.
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Originally Posted by Facelookbovvered
I gather that the met people are soon to remove both Humberside & MME from ATIS broadcasts, i gather Coventry may go on the broadcast all to do with commercial movements?
Is this documented anywhere?
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It would appear that GSM see the immediate future in dry leasing to other national type airlines whose names often end in Stan. If any aircraft are left over then they will put them to work on their at the moment empty short and medium haul routes. I am sure that by the end of the year they will be sorted on which routes they can cover with available aircraft.
As for any other locos moving in I think it is pie in the sky (pardon the pun) at the moment.
The business model must be ABTA supported airlines and the only two in the UK of any note are TUI and Thomas Cook. Let them fly free and support any losses through commercial enterprises on the site.
It is well known that the onsite spend is 10 times higher for holiday flights per person than commuter and business passengers.
As for any other locos moving in I think it is pie in the sky (pardon the pun) at the moment.
The business model must be ABTA supported airlines and the only two in the UK of any note are TUI and Thomas Cook. Let them fly free and support any losses through commercial enterprises on the site.
It is well known that the onsite spend is 10 times higher for holiday flights per person than commuter and business passengers.
I gather that the met people are soon to remove both Humberside & MME from ATIS broadcasts, i gather Coventry may go on the broadcast all to do with commercial movements?
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Just had a mail from DTV airport re news of a boost to KLM services from now to March with the use of a 103 seater (assume they mean the F100) on the first and last flight of the day to AMS. (Bit late on that arent they as its been like this for a while now?) - on that mail it listed a number of popular routes DTV passengers connect onto once in AMS including in Europe: Zurich and Oslo. On the same mail Eastern had an announcment about passengers connecting in ABZ onto their new Oslo services to be launched in Jan 09........would it not therefore be a good indication to the airport to seek out an operator to go Oslo direct....and down the line Zurich also?
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I'm really enjoying this thread (when I can be bothered to read it). Talk about routes, ATIS removal, operators etc. is pure folly. Operators generally only plan a few months ahead. If they get the the yield they are looking for they might even expand. It is the job of an airport's marketing department to come up with the numbers and maybe to provide an incentive to expand. Also, the more experience and airline gets at surviving complete economic cycles, the better their guesses are for the future. They'll use their advance booking statistics to make a decison with the aid of some straight forward maths. At the end of the day, they will not stick around unless they are making money.
As for the ATIS, the system is bought and paid for - why throw it out? It can only cost a few quid a year to run.
The only pointless thing at MME is the Aviation Prevention Department. 14 feet per shift, chav like manners and an IQ well under 100. If they were any more stupid they'd have to be watered twice a day. Are you more secure because of their presence? Not on your life!
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As for the ATIS, the system is bought and paid for - why throw it out? It can only cost a few quid a year to run.
The only pointless thing at MME is the Aviation Prevention Department. 14 feet per shift, chav like manners and an IQ well under 100. If they were any more stupid they'd have to be watered twice a day. Are you more secure because of their presence? Not on your life!
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Ryanair if you sleep with the Devil
Maybe Globespan will paint Bye Bye Ryanair on one off their aircraft, with a Eurpoean wide slump coming Ryanair's squidillion of cash will be getting burnt up faster than starlings in Rome
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RYR have recently started ALC from LBA, so I suspect that has something to do with it. Given Jet2 operate there too usually with a 757 I'm surprised it's not the LBA route they're pulling for the winter.
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Ryanair pulling ALC for winter
The spokesman in the local paper tonight didn't seem unduly concerned about Ryanair pulling the ALC route.
He put a positive spin on the news by saying that lots of routes were being pulled from lots of airports.
Nothing about all of the new routes that they keep hinting at from spurious conferences they keep attending. At least their expenses are with Peel and not the taxpayer.
It could be worse..they could tell the truth.
Amsterdam , Aberdeen , Heathrow ,Dublin and the occasional Alicante for the forseeable future. Not much to keep an airport going. It is becoming like a racecourse only opening 20 days a year and surviving on car boot sales the rest of the time.
He put a positive spin on the news by saying that lots of routes were being pulled from lots of airports.
Nothing about all of the new routes that they keep hinting at from spurious conferences they keep attending. At least their expenses are with Peel and not the taxpayer.
It could be worse..they could tell the truth.
Amsterdam , Aberdeen , Heathrow ,Dublin and the occasional Alicante for the forseeable future. Not much to keep an airport going. It is becoming like a racecourse only opening 20 days a year and surviving on car boot sales the rest of the time.
Some interesting quotes:
" A spokesman for Durham Tees Valley Airport said: “Obviously we are disappointed that Ryanair have decided to withdraw the Alicante service from mid-December for the rest of the winter schedule but, of course, all airlines are currently reviewing their operations in the light of very difficult conditions facing the industry and the economy as a whole. Indeed Ryanair made clear some time ago that it would be significantly reducing its operations this winter.” "
" Andrew McGill, 40, and his partner Sharon Luck, both from Park End, Middlesbrough, have been left looking for a new flight to Alicante after Ryanair cancelled the flights....
...“I booked Ryanair because they seemed to be the best bet. I had no idea they would cancel the flights,” said Mr McGill. "
Perhaps Mr Gill had mis-interpreted these earlier statements:
" Ashley Casey, Ryanair Sales and Marketing Executive said “This is a fantastic milestone for Durham Tees Valley Airport. The success of our Dublin route shows the demand for low cost flights in the region and with the continued success of our Alicante service the airport is in a strong position.” "
" Ashley Casey, Dublin-based sales and marketing executive for Ryanair said “There has been a lot of speculation and reports about a number of airlines reducing frequencies or pulling out of Durham Tees Valley Airport. We have no intention of reducing our flights from the airport. We remain fully committed to DTVA. We consistently review our schedules, but with the three routes from DTVA all of them are operating quite well and that bodes well for the future. Advanced bookings look very positive and we are not anticipating any drop in these.” Ms Casey said the routes to Alicante, Barcelona Girona and Dublin enjoyed “very high load factors”,
" A spokesman for Durham Tees Valley Airport said: “Obviously we are disappointed that Ryanair have decided to withdraw the Alicante service from mid-December for the rest of the winter schedule but, of course, all airlines are currently reviewing their operations in the light of very difficult conditions facing the industry and the economy as a whole. Indeed Ryanair made clear some time ago that it would be significantly reducing its operations this winter.” "
" Andrew McGill, 40, and his partner Sharon Luck, both from Park End, Middlesbrough, have been left looking for a new flight to Alicante after Ryanair cancelled the flights....
...“I booked Ryanair because they seemed to be the best bet. I had no idea they would cancel the flights,” said Mr McGill. "
Perhaps Mr Gill had mis-interpreted these earlier statements:
" Ashley Casey, Ryanair Sales and Marketing Executive said “This is a fantastic milestone for Durham Tees Valley Airport. The success of our Dublin route shows the demand for low cost flights in the region and with the continued success of our Alicante service the airport is in a strong position.” "
" Ashley Casey, Dublin-based sales and marketing executive for Ryanair said “There has been a lot of speculation and reports about a number of airlines reducing frequencies or pulling out of Durham Tees Valley Airport. We have no intention of reducing our flights from the airport. We remain fully committed to DTVA. We consistently review our schedules, but with the three routes from DTVA all of them are operating quite well and that bodes well for the future. Advanced bookings look very positive and we are not anticipating any drop in these.” Ms Casey said the routes to Alicante, Barcelona Girona and Dublin enjoyed “very high load factors”,
Car boot sales, now that would make a bit of money at the current car park fees and there is plenty of spare spaces.
Anyone fly with Cleveland flying school on here? Are the cessna's behaveing now they are outside? They will soon start to smell of damp and all the screws will start to rust in. Then all those saved hangar fees will go down the pan in increased maintenace costs.
Anyone fly with Cleveland flying school on here? Are the cessna's behaveing now they are outside? They will soon start to smell of damp and all the screws will start to rust in. Then all those saved hangar fees will go down the pan in increased maintenace costs.