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Cork's green shoots of recovery in the shape of today's re-inaugural of the bmi baby service from East Midlands to Cork
Next route launch at Cork, if I'm not mistaken, is Wizz Air's Wroclaw route just in time for Paddy's weekend
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Aer Arann Cork/Belfast Intl Saturday...
does anyone know what the flight tomorrow morning is for to Belfast International? It is a charter, judging by the flight number. Surprised me that Aer Arann didnt use the city as they do for there usual Cork Belfast service.
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Green shoots at ORK
The gloss has been taken off BMI Baby's Green Shoot by their decision to pull ORK MAN. The rate of decrease in traffic at ORK has declined sharply in recent months but it'll be difficult to get back to growth in the short term.
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I thought I might have gotten a rise out of someone on the Belfast forum, if even only for stating that Belfast was in Ireland, but nothing.
Well maybe you guys will have something to say about this.
Well maybe you guys will have something to say about this.
Belfast City to be 3rd biggest airport in Ireland?
Belfast City was 5th biggest airport in Ireland in 2008.
Rank Airport .................... Passengers
1 ....Dublin ..................... 23,500,000
2 ....Belfast International .. 5,262,354
3 ....Cork ....................... 3,250,000
4 ....Shannon ................. 3,100,000
5 ....Belfast City ............. 2,570,742
6 ....Knock ....................... 630,170
7 ....Derry ........................ 439,033
8 ....Kerry ........................ 420,000
9 ....Galway ...................... 270,000
10 ..Waterford .................. 144,000
11 ..Donegal ....................... 65,537
12 ..Sligo ........................... 44,500†
† Latest available figures are for 2007 (How do you format a table on this forum?)
However Ryanair are virtually pulling the plug on Shannon next Easter if there is no resolution of their dispute leaving only 2 daily flights (about 200,000 pax p.a., down from 1.8 million) which will reduce Shannon to about 1.5 million pax.
O?Leary plays his ace in Shannon costs wrangle | The Post
Cork are predicted to loss 500,000 passengers this year due to the recession reducing ORK to 2.75 million.
Irish Examiner - 2009/04/25: ‘No re-negotiation’ of Cork Airport’s €113m debt
Belfast City however has been bucking the trend with an 8.3% increase (well in August at least). If this increase was reflected on the annual figures then Belfast City would carry some 2.78 million passengers this year.
If the cuts at Shannon go ahead that could therefore mean that in 2010 Belfast City would be the 3rd biggest airport in Ireland.
Belfast City was 5th biggest airport in Ireland in 2008.
Rank Airport .................... Passengers
1 ....Dublin ..................... 23,500,000
2 ....Belfast International .. 5,262,354
3 ....Cork ....................... 3,250,000
4 ....Shannon ................. 3,100,000
5 ....Belfast City ............. 2,570,742
6 ....Knock ....................... 630,170
7 ....Derry ........................ 439,033
8 ....Kerry ........................ 420,000
9 ....Galway ...................... 270,000
10 ..Waterford .................. 144,000
11 ..Donegal ....................... 65,537
12 ..Sligo ........................... 44,500†
† Latest available figures are for 2007 (How do you format a table on this forum?)
However Ryanair are virtually pulling the plug on Shannon next Easter if there is no resolution of their dispute leaving only 2 daily flights (about 200,000 pax p.a., down from 1.8 million) which will reduce Shannon to about 1.5 million pax.
O?Leary plays his ace in Shannon costs wrangle | The Post
Cork are predicted to loss 500,000 passengers this year due to the recession reducing ORK to 2.75 million.
Irish Examiner - 2009/04/25: ‘No re-negotiation’ of Cork Airport’s €113m debt
Belfast City however has been bucking the trend with an 8.3% increase (well in August at least). If this increase was reflected on the annual figures then Belfast City would carry some 2.78 million passengers this year.
If the cuts at Shannon go ahead that could therefore mean that in 2010 Belfast City would be the 3rd biggest airport in Ireland.
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It's a huge stretch to say an 8% increase in August can be taken as a proxy for the whole year. You could have had a new route starting this August and one falling away last August 08 which would inflate that number.
Regarding Belfast and Ireland, to avoid unproductive and pointless arguing, let's rephrase your (provocative) statement to "Belfast City to be 3rd biggest (by passenger numbers) on the island of Ireland".
Regarding Belfast and Ireland, to avoid unproductive and pointless arguing, let's rephrase your (provocative) statement to "Belfast City to be 3rd biggest (by passenger numbers) on the island of Ireland".
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.... let's rephrase your (provocative) statement to "Belfast City to be 3rd biggest (by passenger numbers) on the island of Ireland".
I take your point about extrapolating August's increase as not necessarily being a valid approach, but I didn't have any other figures to go on. However new figures released this morning show a 12.5% increase in November, so something is happening at that airport. It is definitely bucking the trend.
Personally I'm from Derry and so am more interested in LDY but I just noticed BHD was about to supplant Cork and Shannon. If Ryanair pull the plug on Shannon then all is lost, but Cork is not so dependent on a single operator and so the future is not as bleak. Indeed Belfast City is capped by the planning authorities at 4 million passengers per annum so Cork could regain its title so long as the passenger cap is not overturned which is what BHD is currently trying to achieve.
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Angry Rebel, it's the bleedin obvious. Belfast is part of Ireland but it's also part of the UK, like Cork was up until 88 years ago..
There's no chance that Belfast City airport will surpass Cork in 2010. It's too far behind in pax numbers. Cork's new terminal is far superior and of course it has a longer runway to facilitate traffic, (though it should be extended
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The Republic's economy though at a low, has technically pulled out of recession in the last quarter, whilst Britain is still in recession. The Northern Ireland economy is a hybrid dependent on both the British and Irish economies as it is far too small to cope on its own.
There's no chance that Belfast City airport will surpass Cork in 2010. It's too far behind in pax numbers. Cork's new terminal is far superior and of course it has a longer runway to facilitate traffic, (though it should be extended
) The Republic's economy though at a low, has technically pulled out of recession in the last quarter, whilst Britain is still in recession. The Northern Ireland economy is a hybrid dependent on both the British and Irish economies as it is far too small to cope on its own.
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Personally, Belfast = Ireland... Not Northern Ireland and not UK. That's me personally. Those who make maps and run the authorities may beg to differ.
Keep up the good work Amelia Earhart!
Keep up the good work Amelia Earhart!
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I know it is a case of the same ol' story - heard one today that Cork got pretty close to hosting a visit by one of the BA A318s yesterday when the minima or LVPs were not quite right at snn.
Ah, well, we were nearly there again!
Thirty years later and still feeling sore over a nearly visit of a Catalina ach sin sceal eile!
Bond Helicopters have new equipment at Cork now in the shape of a Eurcopter EC-135. There was a discussion about the likelihood of this on the Rotary Forum in recent months.
Guess it is a pretty okay Cork Christmas present in the circumstances and sooner or later one of those A318s will also make an appearance.
That is the one thing about Cork - there is always hope!
Ah, well, we were nearly there again!
Thirty years later and still feeling sore over a nearly visit of a Catalina ach sin sceal eile!
Bond Helicopters have new equipment at Cork now in the shape of a Eurcopter EC-135. There was a discussion about the likelihood of this on the Rotary Forum in recent months.
Guess it is a pretty okay Cork Christmas present in the circumstances and sooner or later one of those A318s will also make an appearance.
That is the one thing about Cork - there is always hope!
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Christ. 
I was trying to remove political debate so that the core question could be debated. I don't care what people feel personally (eg comment by flying_highover) about the politics of the North etc. It's important, obviously, but it's not relevant to this thread.
Agree with sentiment of CCR that Belfasts growth is to a large extent out of its own hands. I'd add that about 60% of the economy is driven by the public sector, which is pretty stable, and won't drive passenger numbers by much. Argument that we are out of recession is an extremely technical one and open to challenge on a number of fronts...don't believe we'll see underlying (ie excluding impact of new routes) passenger growth in ORK, SNN or DUB until late next year.
I was trying to remove political debate so that the core question could be debated. I don't care what people feel personally (eg comment by flying_highover) about the politics of the North etc. It's important, obviously, but it's not relevant to this thread.Agree with sentiment of CCR that Belfasts growth is to a large extent out of its own hands. I'd add that about 60% of the economy is driven by the public sector, which is pretty stable, and won't drive passenger numbers by much. Argument that we are out of recession is an extremely technical one and open to challenge on a number of fronts...don't believe we'll see underlying (ie excluding impact of new routes) passenger growth in ORK, SNN or DUB until late next year.
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One of the last of the great Cork Airport characters - may poor ol' Gerry rest in peace. I will raise a glass to him tonight. Hope he gets a good send off - guess he would like that!
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Cork suffered some cancellations today as Ryanair cancelled the Cork flight to Gatwick and the Liverpool flight to Cork due to the icy/snowy weather in the UK. To make up for it Cork has received no less than five Ryanair diversions during the afternoon - four, presumably, from Dublin being closed and the fifth diversion has been a first for Cork, a diversion from no less a place than Knock, Co Mayo when the Bristol to Knock flight landed around 5 pm with a grand total of thirty eight passengers aboard. The Knock flight must have flown abeam snn on the way down to Cork - it is a wonder they did not try to grab it flying by but then again they grabbed plenty of diversions from the Aer Lingus flights to Dublin.
Thirty eight. Made no money on that one!
A pal of our's was sitting aboard an Aer Lingus A320 for some hours at Dublin this afternoon before the flight was cancelled. Chaos all around by all accounts at Dublin with pax being now asked to leave the airport in the last half hour or so!
Hard to beat Dublin. Fleece with you with charges and when it does not suit tell you to get lost. Ireland of the welcomes, the island of saints and scholars! Yerrah, yeah!
Geniuses.
Cork is wide open though - divert to Cork for your weather and medical diversions - acute hospitals about three miles away.
That's one for the marketing department to work on for 2010!
Thirty eight. Made no money on that one!
A pal of our's was sitting aboard an Aer Lingus A320 for some hours at Dublin this afternoon before the flight was cancelled. Chaos all around by all accounts at Dublin with pax being now asked to leave the airport in the last half hour or so!
Hard to beat Dublin. Fleece with you with charges and when it does not suit tell you to get lost. Ireland of the welcomes, the island of saints and scholars! Yerrah, yeah!
Geniuses.
Cork is wide open though - divert to Cork for your weather and medical diversions - acute hospitals about three miles away.
That's one for the marketing department to work on for 2010!