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Aer Lingus and bmi baby will be delighted at this state of affairs - the loads and more importantly the yields are now bound to improve on the routes to and from Cork to Birmingham. As for the Ryanair Dublin route there are ads on local radio these days promoting Euro 16 fares from Irish Rail on some services between Cork's Kent Station and Dublin's Heuston Station. This must be capable in time of putting even more pressure on what FR yield's will be on the Dublin route.
What of Glasgow? Will we see RE return to a twice daily to Edinburgh or is there a glorious opportunity for EI to go to Glasgow four days a week? Seems a sitter to me with at least fairly minimum risk and at four a week EI would at least have some chance of maximising the yield. Another way to get FR going on PIK again would be to announce that easyJet were in talks about doing Glasgow themselves!
What is exactly 20% of the Cork charges - it cant be that much anyway, can it? I was full sure there was a good chance of maybe a new route from Ryanair today, maybe to Bratislava or to Prague or even a seasonal ski route to challenge EI's upcoming seasonal route to Geneva. How disappointed I was!
Today's news does not say a lot about either the CAA or Ryanair's ideas about Cork? It seems there is hardly much of a relationship between the two parties? It looks like Cork will have a long list of departed routes by year's end. Very sad - you would wonder if there is any sense of pride left up at Cork Airport?
What of Glasgow? Will we see RE return to a twice daily to Edinburgh or is there a glorious opportunity for EI to go to Glasgow four days a week? Seems a sitter to me with at least fairly minimum risk and at four a week EI would at least have some chance of maximising the yield. Another way to get FR going on PIK again would be to announce that easyJet were in talks about doing Glasgow themselves!
What is exactly 20% of the Cork charges - it cant be that much anyway, can it? I was full sure there was a good chance of maybe a new route from Ryanair today, maybe to Bratislava or to Prague or even a seasonal ski route to challenge EI's upcoming seasonal route to Geneva. How disappointed I was!
Today's news does not say a lot about either the CAA or Ryanair's ideas about Cork? It seems there is hardly much of a relationship between the two parties? It looks like Cork will have a long list of departed routes by year's end. Very sad - you would wonder if there is any sense of pride left up at Cork Airport?
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It is a sad day to see such high volume routes go, as it will have a big impact on the figures for 2009, but a good day for WW and EI. I wonder if we might see EI re-introduce a few services to BHX?
On the other hand, FR made a big song and dance about 'expensive' ORK when they took 4 LPL flights to KIR. They came back with their tail between their legs. If there is money to be made on these routes then FR will be back. ORK have to be careful to keep EI on side too and I think the CAA have seen where cosying up to FR has left SNN, of course they are also tied by EU regulations RE: subsidies. There is also a danger that if FR get an abnormal/once off discount that EI, WW, RE, etc will all demand them too. ORK has enough debt to worry about without cutting already razor-tin margins even closer.
AFAIK in Y1 a route gets 50% off, and Y2 is 40% off, etc for five years. If margins are really so thin on PIK and EMA then FR are probably better off putting the aircraft elsewhere.
On the other hand, FR made a big song and dance about 'expensive' ORK when they took 4 LPL flights to KIR. They came back with their tail between their legs. If there is money to be made on these routes then FR will be back. ORK have to be careful to keep EI on side too and I think the CAA have seen where cosying up to FR has left SNN, of course they are also tied by EU regulations RE: subsidies. There is also a danger that if FR get an abnormal/once off discount that EI, WW, RE, etc will all demand them too. ORK has enough debt to worry about without cutting already razor-tin margins even closer.
AFAIK in Y1 a route gets 50% off, and Y2 is 40% off, etc for five years. If margins are really so thin on PIK and EMA then FR are probably better off putting the aircraft elsewhere.
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The discounts are
Year 1 - 100%
Year 2 - 80%
Year 3 - 60%
Year 4 - 40%
Year 5 - 20%
http://www.corkairport.com/business/ORKRSS2008.pdf
With slightly different discounting structure applying to resumed routes.
http://www.corkairport.com/business/Resumed_RSS.pdf
Got to admit I love the Easyjet suggestion. The look on O'Leary's face would be priceless.
Year 1 - 100%
Year 2 - 80%
Year 3 - 60%
Year 4 - 40%
Year 5 - 20%
http://www.corkairport.com/business/ORKRSS2008.pdf
With slightly different discounting structure applying to resumed routes.
http://www.corkairport.com/business/Resumed_RSS.pdf
Got to admit I love the Easyjet suggestion. The look on O'Leary's face would be priceless.
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The CAA should give any new operator an immediate 80% discount to operate Glasgow.
East Midlands is probably not as critical as WW and EI have plenty of capacity.
Fare play to Pat Keohane and his team for not allowing Ryanair to bully them.
East Midlands is probably not as critical as WW and EI have plenty of capacity.
Fare play to Pat Keohane and his team for not allowing Ryanair to bully them.
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Penalty clauses would be madness especially in the case of Ryanair, they would refuse to pay them and as a levering tool would decide to cut back on other routes. The airport would suffer long term, lets hope that Aer Arann are not wiped out by FR as if this happens Fr would cut Dublin back to 3 a day and the airport would find it impossible to attract another carrier to the route...
The airport authority are right to stand firm with Ryanair. Cork will grow and some other airline will fill any void. I would love to see Easyjet come back to Cork. Glasgow would be a preferred choice over Prestwick for travelling public. will we see Bmibaby move the Glasgow/Knock route twice weekly to Cork??? Thin for the winter me thinks??????
The airport authority are right to stand firm with Ryanair. Cork will grow and some other airline will fill any void. I would love to see Easyjet come back to Cork. Glasgow would be a preferred choice over Prestwick for travelling public. will we see Bmibaby move the Glasgow/Knock route twice weekly to Cork??? Thin for the winter me thinks??????
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I think SNN proves you get screwed by FR no matter what deal you make. How long are Irish airports going to put up with MOL's lies about "increased charges" and simply stop offering rebates to his airline - or if that is legally difficult a provision barring FR from harming the airport's reputation by describing contracted increments as "increases" when his airline signed a deal accepting them in advance.
I think SNN proves you get screwed by FR no matter what deal you make. How long are Irish airports going to put up with MOL's lies about "increased charges" and simply stop offering rebates to his airline - or if that is legally difficult a provision barring FR from harming the airport's reputation by describing contracted increments as "increases" when his airline signed a deal accepting them in advance.
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Dance with the devil (FR), and you get burned..............
Just ask Shannon...................
Once they stop moaning about the loss "of our Heathrow slots"....
What did they expect......
Aer Lingus to pay top dollar, while FRy paid 1 Euro per head?
Shannon has but a few years left as an independent airport, because of the revenue shortfalls associated with getting the ryans in....
It'll go bust, but who will buy it when it does?
Ducksie and his friends?
For a pittance?
Cork would do well to learn from the "burning" experience that Shannon i about to endure.........
Keep 'em(ryans) out, I say, or monopoly conditions will again return to Irish airspace!
For the first time, I find myself praising the CAA team
Just ask Shannon...................
Once they stop moaning about the loss "of our Heathrow slots"....
What did they expect......
Aer Lingus to pay top dollar, while FRy paid 1 Euro per head?
Shannon has but a few years left as an independent airport, because of the revenue shortfalls associated with getting the ryans in....
It'll go bust, but who will buy it when it does?
Ducksie and his friends?
For a pittance?
Cork would do well to learn from the "burning" experience that Shannon i about to endure.........
Keep 'em(ryans) out, I say, or monopoly conditions will again return to Irish airspace!
For the first time, I find myself praising the CAA team
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peacock.. I really hope that management at CAA read this thread. Aer Arann and Aer Lingus would surely assist CAA in picking up the slack if MOL start cutting back on services.... Lets hope that they stick to there guns.
My memory goes back to the big row with Knock airport all those years ago when the airport started a development fee and FR said they were pulling out and then the airport said no problem off you go we have another airline to come in and rescue the situation. In a second FR retreated and towed the line!
CAA take note!
My memory goes back to the big row with Knock airport all those years ago when the airport started a development fee and FR said they were pulling out and then the airport said no problem off you go we have another airline to come in and rescue the situation. In a second FR retreated and towed the line!
CAA take note!
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Ryanair ‘charges customers €15 fantasy fees’ : East Midlands Airport News Stories
I wondered how long it would take for this to come up
I wondered how long it would take for this to come up
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Michael Cawley was full of ol' fantasy talk on the Morning Ireland radio show last week - that was until he was found out by the Irish Times's business editor, Ciaran Hancock. I know a lot of the pilot fraternity give out about journos on this site but Mr Hancock did a lot of good with his article in last Friday's Irish Times when it was made quite, quite clear that Ryanair knew very well what deal they were getting into with Cork and the Prestwick and East Midlands routes.
I am not really in a position to listen in to local radio in the morning time but the airport, FR, Prestwick and East Midlands was continuing to be well covered on Cork's 96FM for a while this morning. At one point there was even talk about the setting up of an action group to agitate for the restoration of the routes, in particular, the Prestwick route by the families of frequent fliers on the route.
That is one thing that Ryanair, O'Leary, and that disappointment of a Corkman, Mr Cawley, dont get is that the Cork Airport Authority counts for absolutely nothing - it is Ryanair's own passengers between Prestwick and East Midlands to Cork are the people whom are being left down and insulted by Ryanair's nasty sharp practice in Cork last week. The geniuses working for the Cork Airport Authority will still get their big fat pay cheques every month no matter what even if there were to be few routes left in Cork.
It is Ryanair's own Cork bound passengers that are being so rudely shafted, no one else.
Incidentally, the news from last week from Cork made it to the main news page of a principal Czech language aviation site right up on the start of the home page. Cork making news right in the middle of Central Europe!
I am not really in a position to listen in to local radio in the morning time but the airport, FR, Prestwick and East Midlands was continuing to be well covered on Cork's 96FM for a while this morning. At one point there was even talk about the setting up of an action group to agitate for the restoration of the routes, in particular, the Prestwick route by the families of frequent fliers on the route.
That is one thing that Ryanair, O'Leary, and that disappointment of a Corkman, Mr Cawley, dont get is that the Cork Airport Authority counts for absolutely nothing - it is Ryanair's own passengers between Prestwick and East Midlands to Cork are the people whom are being left down and insulted by Ryanair's nasty sharp practice in Cork last week. The geniuses working for the Cork Airport Authority will still get their big fat pay cheques every month no matter what even if there were to be few routes left in Cork.
It is Ryanair's own Cork bound passengers that are being so rudely shafted, no one else.
Incidentally, the news from last week from Cork made it to the main news page of a principal Czech language aviation site right up on the start of the home page. Cork making news right in the middle of Central Europe!
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My suggestion to you is that you pose your very good question to the bloke that resigned somewhat unexpectedly up at Cork a few months ago. Of course, that might bring the Fifth Amendment into play? 
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What I cannot understand is that some people are saying that there is connections to Cork from BHX with bmibaby and aer lingus, but the point being, that the Ryanair flight always had enough people on, and from what ive heard before the flights from birmingham werent doing too badly most of the time, the only reason the route for ryanair didnt become profitable anymore is because there bill went from 100% to 80% so had lost 20%, it doesnt mean to say the route would still be profitable with another airline, but this is the contract FR started with these two routes in October 2007. Really EMA does need a Cork route, Aer Arran or something, but Cork airport will loose a lot of passengers, so I am sure they are wishing upon airlines to get a new EMA route out there, if not, then they really dont care about there routes or amount of passengers and growth at there airport.
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Really EMA does need a Cork route, Aer Arran or something
So indeed, this leaves Aer Arann, but.... I'm not holding my breath
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As with a number of you, I too would prefer Easyjet to Ryanair any day. Since the CAA can't favour one over the other directly, due to competition rules, surely they could ban an airline for bringing the airport into disrepute ? Ban Ryanair for let's say....5 years 
, which would allow all the other airlines to grow and hopefully it would see the return of Easyjet to Cork as well as others.
It isn't that we are getting much from Ryanair anyway, and Easyjet could do the same runs.
, which would allow all the other airlines to grow and hopefully it would see the return of Easyjet to Cork as well as others. It isn't that we are getting much from Ryanair anyway, and Easyjet could do the same runs.
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The pressure on Ryanair continues today in Cork. The Lord Mayor of Cork, Councillor Brian Bermingham, had a two hour meeting with Mr Pat Kehonane, CEO of Cork Airport Authority yesterday. Today, the Lord Mayor has called on Ryanair to reinstate the Prestwick and East Midlands routes as he was left in little doubt about what kind of deal was struck between Cork and Ryanair on the two routes.
The Lord Mayor's involvement in the case is significant as it gives an air of solemn weight and blessing to the controversey. Whether it will do any good in the long term is debatable but in Cork it will be somewhat embarassing for Ryanair to have no less than Cork's First Citizen putting it up to them.
Interesting idea there you have, Aisle2c, about bringing the airport into disrepute. Must find a corner for some quiet consideration.
The Lord Mayor's involvement in the case is significant as it gives an air of solemn weight and blessing to the controversey. Whether it will do any good in the long term is debatable but in Cork it will be somewhat embarassing for Ryanair to have no less than Cork's First Citizen putting it up to them.
Interesting idea there you have, Aisle2c, about bringing the airport into disrepute. Must find a corner for some quiet consideration.
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Yeah, I know it would be the irony of ironies 
but it just might offer a way of getting rid of Ryanair. No LC airline is going to come near Cork while Ryanair continue to act as attack hounds against everyone else. Considering the government had to bail Ryanair out when Aer Lingus tried to drive them out (as they did with Avair), it is particularly sick to see Ryanair doing the same now.
but it just might offer a way of getting rid of Ryanair. No LC airline is going to come near Cork while Ryanair continue to act as attack hounds against everyone else. Considering the government had to bail Ryanair out when Aer Lingus tried to drive them out (as they did with Avair), it is particularly sick to see Ryanair doing the same now.