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In my own circle of friends and colleagues, the price gouging by Aer Lingus on the Cork routes coupled with the proximity of Dublin is making Cork very unappealing. More often than not, it's close to half the price to head to Dublin and take Lufthansa or BA to European destinations. Cork badly needs a non-EI connection to a major hub. I live less than 10 mins from Cork Airport, but for my last 10 trips to European destinations, it has been over 200 euros cheaper to head to Dublin, taking into account costs for petrol/parking etc. in Dublin. On a recent trip via LHR, EI were looking for 740 euros for the ORK/LHR leg, while I could drive to Dublin and get DUB/LHR for 180 euros with BA. Not even Ryanair go that far with gouging.
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DAA again anticipating growth at Cork in 2014 just like they anticipated growth for 2013!
All we know so far is that Aerlingus will have less seats for Quarter 1 than in 2013 and the same number of seats for Quarter 2 and 3. There will be far less seats to Poland and Lithuania from 1st January to 16th May.
No airline has as yet put any additional flights into their booking engines for 2014 apart from Ryanair.
Unless the DAA know something I don't know 2014 looks like being a similar year to 2013/2/11 coming in somewhere between 2.2m and 2.4m.
All we know so far is that Aerlingus will have less seats for Quarter 1 than in 2013 and the same number of seats for Quarter 2 and 3. There will be far less seats to Poland and Lithuania from 1st January to 16th May.
No airline has as yet put any additional flights into their booking engines for 2014 apart from Ryanair.
Unless the DAA know something I don't know 2014 looks like being a similar year to 2013/2/11 coming in somewhere between 2.2m and 2.4m.
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Anyone know what is going on the site between the airport and the business park?
I know there was a previous planning permission request for a coach park there (Tried to insert the link here, but it fails - planning number is 115247 on Planning Enquiry). Is that going to go ahead?
I always felt that a portion of the long-term car park by the old terminal would be more appropriate for a coach park. It avoids the steep climb and the route is mostly out of the rain.
I also notice from that planning request that it includes for the possibility of charging for the set down area...
I know there was a previous planning permission request for a coach park there (Tried to insert the link here, but it fails - planning number is 115247 on Planning Enquiry). Is that going to go ahead?
I always felt that a portion of the long-term car park by the old terminal would be more appropriate for a coach park. It avoids the steep climb and the route is mostly out of the rain.
I also notice from that planning request that it includes for the possibility of charging for the set down area...
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I know there was a previous planning permission request for a coach park there
Re the planning request, that was years back, almost certainly pushed back for years.
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Ryanair Shannon announcement
Wonder what Ryanair will bring to Cork now that they have added 8 routes out of Shannon. Would like to see a German route Berlin to be honest but anyone have any ideas what could be on the table for Cork?
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Expect reaction from Aer Lingus re Ryanair growth at Shannon (which have targeted most of Aer Lingus routes' ex-Cork.) I'd give it until October next year for Ryanair's new routes to Berlin, Munich and Nice they won't work from Shannon, Ryanair struggle to compete on the Nice route from Dublin against Aer Lingus operating just 2x weekly, Memmingen won't win German tourists from Munich MUC which is a clear attempt to encroach on that profitable route in Cork. To be honest if this is the kind of growth were going to get from Ryanair which seeks to class it as new growth when really its a massive attempt to flood the market with unsustainable seat volumes, then in that case Cork does not need it. Aer Lingus have faced this before and Ryanair failed, don't except Aer Lingus to roll over and lose a profitable market for them in the South.
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I guess Ryanair will throw a spratt to Cork just to keep the government happy - it would be a laugh after all these years if Cork got that Bremen route in the end after it appeared in the booking engine in error a few years ago!
Ryanair are said to be in negotiations with Cork and Knock as well so let us sit and wait to see what happens next - the thing is they cant really target any snn or Dublin destinations unlike what they can do with Cork routes for snn.
It is a partial opportunity now to see what the Cork crowd are made of to see if they deliver for Cork Airport in their talks with Ryanair.
Ryanair are said to be in negotiations with Cork and Knock as well so let us sit and wait to see what happens next - the thing is they cant really target any snn or Dublin destinations unlike what they can do with Cork routes for snn.
It is a partial opportunity now to see what the Cork crowd are made of to see if they deliver for Cork Airport in their talks with Ryanair.
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Im not sure if the air travel tax is charged on inbound flights, or just the outbound?
Either way I'm not sure that €3/6 is going to make such a difference that 300,000 extra seats can be filled. Are passengers really that price sensitive. Or is is €3 extra in the pocket of FR on every seat they sell ex Ireland? Essentially an extra €1 million annually for each based aircraft.
The routes ex SNN appear mainly to cater for Diaspora to Eastern Europe and Sun Seekers, very little inbound tourist potential outside the Munich, Berlin and maybe Paris routes.
Either way I'm not sure that €3/6 is going to make such a difference that 300,000 extra seats can be filled. Are passengers really that price sensitive. Or is is €3 extra in the pocket of FR on every seat they sell ex Ireland? Essentially an extra €1 million annually for each based aircraft.
The routes ex SNN appear mainly to cater for Diaspora to Eastern Europe and Sun Seekers, very little inbound tourist potential outside the Munich, Berlin and maybe Paris routes.
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With Ryanair launching Shannon-Faro, I can't see Aer Lingus staying on the route. I dont' think it will make much difference to Cork anyway.
The main concerns for Cork from their Shannon announcement are Munich and Nice.
Paris can take the extra volume. Prices are ridiculous from Cork anyway; it co-existed with the route from Shannon previously. Probably it will make an increase in frequency less likely.
The main concerns for Cork from their Shannon announcement are Munich and Nice.
Paris can take the extra volume. Prices are ridiculous from Cork anyway; it co-existed with the route from Shannon previously. Probably it will make an increase in frequency less likely.
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Cloudier is correct. After the Faro to Shannon sector the Cork based cabin crewed have been sent home by taxi to Cork and presumably at the end of the day the Shannon based crew returned home by surface transport from Cork too!
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Yep Cloudier is correct.
It did not, thus why it was dropped as It began to have an effect on the ORK-CDG service. However BVA will have zero effect, people flying to Paris actually want to be flying there and Charles de Gaulle and Orly are the choices. Rather than the town of Beauvais or Vatry, how Ryanair is allowed to name these places as secondary Paris airports is hilarious, quite like describing Memmingen as ''Munich West'' which is about 1hrs 40mins to Burgstraße the same journey from Franz Josef Strauss is 30mins. From Beauvais you face a nearly 2hr drive to Rue du Temple, the same journey from Charles de Gaulle is 30mins and I've done both.
it co-existed with the route from Shannon previously.
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When I see some of the new Shannon routes, I'm guessing it could be part of joint Shannon/Cork strategy from Ryanair. I feel they have already decided the new routes from both Shannon and Cork. So if particular "dead certs" were missing from the Shannon announcement, they're probably planned for Cork. In the same line of thought, Cork will not be getting Berlin or Memmingem for example.
Interesting times
Interesting times
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MOL said today that Cork is getting very little/if any new routes because of the high DAA charges on the #GrillMOL hour on their Tweeter page
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It did not, thus why it was dropped as It began to have an effect on the ORK-CDG service. However BVA will have zero effect, people flying to Paris actually want to be flying there and Charles de Gaulle and Orly are the choices. Rather than the town of Beauvais or Vatry, how Ryanair is allowed to name these places as secondary Paris airports is hilarious, quite like describing Memmingen as ''Munich West'' which is about 1hrs 40mins to Burgstraße the same journey from Franz Josef Strauss is 30mins. From Beauvais you face a nearly 2hr drive to Rue du Temple, the same journey from Charles de Gaulle is 30mins and I've done both.
Agree, but it's no worse than MME calling itself Durham and "Robin Hood" for DSA.
No different from BOH becoming "London West" (it's only a matter of time at this FR base).
London-Oxford Airport (OXF), London-Manston Airport (MSE) and London-Ashford Airport (LYS) or Lydd to you and me, are also pushing it.
We all know there's only one airport in London: it's the one that does not have another geographical location in the name after the "London" and before the "Airport".
It gets the old BS-meter into overdrive!
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Looking forward to hearing the new routes being announced for Cork.
Personally, it would be great to see an increase in the London Gatwick route to double daily and new Ryanair destinations to
London Luton,
Paris
Marseille
Berlin
Hamburg
Rome
Madrid
a summer route to Greece and a winter route to Morocco.
Personally, it would be great to see an increase in the London Gatwick route to double daily and new Ryanair destinations to
London Luton,
Paris
Marseille
Berlin
Hamburg
Rome
Madrid
a summer route to Greece and a winter route to Morocco.