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I know that the topography challenges the potential installation of a Cat 3 ILS but surely if Leeds Bradford can do it so could Cork.
I think there is easily a financial justification for it considering the amount of disruption it causes every year.
I think there is easily a financial justification for it considering the amount of disruption it causes every year.
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IAA (reasonably) wouldn't invest unless they could see a return on their investment through higher terminal navigation charges - but the terminal nav charge is regulated by CAR and is the same for Dublin, Cork and Shannon.
DAA might decide to invest in the equipment in order to improve reliability - but would it then be acceptable for them to put up landing charges at Cork to pay for this?
Plus - and others will know much more about this than me - Cat 3 ILS at the airport is only useful if the aircraft is equipped for it and the crew are trained and current.
Who do you believe ?
From Cork website -
Vilnius Ryanair FR8867 23/09 15:30 Cancelled
Shannon Airport website-
Vilnius Ryanair FR8867 23/09 15:50 Landed 16:17
Ryanair website -
FR 8867 Vilnius - Cork 15:30 DELAY
ground handling delay eta 15:45
Yours a Totally confused !!!!!
Vilnius Ryanair FR8867 23/09 15:30 Cancelled
Shannon Airport website-
Vilnius Ryanair FR8867 23/09 15:50 Landed 16:17
Ryanair website -
FR 8867 Vilnius - Cork 15:30 DELAY
ground handling delay eta 15:45
Yours a Totally confused !!!!!
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Just to let you all know the Tower has told us 1200Z tomorrow
before conditions fully improve, RVR's (400) now acceptable at RVR minimum.
Update now to:
FR 8867 Vilnius - Cork 15:30 DIVERTED
diverted to shannon airport due to low visibility at cork airport. passengers to be coached to cork airport. eta 16:30
before conditions fully improve, RVR's (400) now acceptable at RVR minimum.
FR 8867 Vilnius - Cork 15:30 DELAY
ground handling delay eta 15:45
ground handling delay eta 15:45
FR 8867 Vilnius - Cork 15:30 DIVERTED
diverted to shannon airport due to low visibility at cork airport. passengers to be coached to cork airport. eta 16:30
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An EI A321 did some test CAT 3 approaches some years ago,not sure what the outcome was. At the time there was considerable speculation about its introduction. Thankfully days like today are very rare at Cork in recent years.
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An EI A321 did some test CAT 3 approaches some years ago,not sure what the outcome was. At the time there was considerable speculation about its introduction. Thankfully days like today are very rare at Cork in recent years.
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Possibly Jack, it's about 5 years ago now. It was definitely some sort of test for CAT 3. I remember the Irish Examiner doing a story on it at the time and special markers were placed on the runway for it.
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I believe it was because they did not know how long they would be waiting and there was a fear the weather would not improve, they'd not be able to get their based staff and aircraft back in position to operate the flights in the morning.
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Ryanair operating several Cork flights from Shannon tomorrow even though Cork's weather has improved tonight. Rather strange move.
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Forgot to say EI723 (LHR) will land at 0115, so 5 Aer Lingus aircraft overnighting hopefully before one positions back to Dublin tomorrow morning. EI3807 (EDI) now grounded in EDI due to crew being out of hours, so the Regional operation tomorrow looks to be disrupted already.
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Logistically difficult for passengers to make their own way to Shannon.What happens when they arrive back in Cork and their car is in Shannon? Perhaps they have no car in the first place. There are no early morning trains or buses between the two airports. Forecasting the RVR and even the weather at Cork Airport can be notoriously difficult. In my opinion Aerlingus and Aer Arann were right to take their chances on the RVR staying above CAT 2.
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I think it is a disgrace at what is happening at cork today all because of an anti cork IAA gives his views on the weather, how in the name of GOD do these people get these jobs this is not the first time this has happened sadly it is not the last the first FR this AM was oped by a STN crew maybe the weatherman should keep his mouth shut in future and reduce the divertions
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maybe the weatherman should keep his mouth shut in future and reduce the divertions
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I agree with you cloudier, and I'd even take it step further and say that along with the IAA, the government, Al Qaeda, eta, Count Dracula and the Wicked Witch of the West, Mother Nature has now got into bed with that crowd in Shannon, all in a devious attempt to screw Cork Airport over.
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I don't have any idea of the costs involved to upgrade Cork to Cat 3 status, i can only use the example of Leeds Bradford as an example of a similar airport, of similar size, which also has topography issues surrounding it.
Leeds 2.9M pax Cork 2.3m
Similar mix of airlines serving with Cat 3 equipped aircraft. EI,FR V Jet2,FR.
Both have a history of fog related disruptions on a large scale.
So all i'm saying is that surely the business case for Cork would be similar to Leeds, based on the similar volume of passengers.
Leeds 2.9M pax Cork 2.3m
Similar mix of airlines serving with Cat 3 equipped aircraft. EI,FR V Jet2,FR.
Both have a history of fog related disruptions on a large scale.
So all i'm saying is that surely the business case for Cork would be similar to Leeds, based on the similar volume of passengers.
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If CAT 3 was put in and the runway then got extended, would all the cost have to be incurred again? I realize that equipment might be reusable, but I understand a lot of the expense is in the amount of man hours required for the calibration.
If that expense was incurred again, would it make any sense to go ahead when the possibility of a runway extension is still open?
If that expense was incurred again, would it make any sense to go ahead when the possibility of a runway extension is still open?