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I think it's 2 aircraft all week with a 3rd on Fri - Sun. It's certainly for first to base an aircraft at an airport for only some days of the week.
I wonder what it will do from Mon-Thu? Perhaps it will be a different aircraft every weekend where it flies out empty and get's maintained, where another will operate the next weekend and then that will fly out empty and go to a maintainance base, then another aircraft for the next weekend, flies out and gets maintained and so on...
I wonder what it will do from Mon-Thu? Perhaps it will be a different aircraft every weekend where it flies out empty and get's maintained, where another will operate the next weekend and then that will fly out empty and go to a maintainance base, then another aircraft for the next weekend, flies out and gets maintained and so on...
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I think it's 2 aircraft all week with a 3rd on Fri - Sun. It's certainly for first to base an aircraft at an airport for only some days of the week.
This is actually baffling, reducing flights which have higher frequencies in June and July during the peak travel month of the year? No doubt due to Ryanair demanding lower fee's and throwing their toys out of the pram as per usual.
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What ever happened to the 5th LHR which was to compensate for the loss of Aerlingus' Gatwick service this summer. No growth from Aerlingus since 2006. I'm not a great fan of Ryanair but they have gone from 3 to 23 destinations from Cork since the recession began and are paying full charges on most of them.
I know they've muscled in on some existing routes but who else would have started Fuerteventura, Pisa, Betgamo, La Rochelle, Bordeaux and Carcassone from Cork?
I know they've muscled in on some existing routes but who else would have started Fuerteventura, Pisa, Betgamo, La Rochelle, Bordeaux and Carcassone from Cork?
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What ever happened to the 5th LHR which was to compensate for the loss of Aerlingus' Gatwick service this summer.
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This is actually baffling, reducing flights which have higher frequencies in June and July during the peak travel month of the year? No doubt due to Ryanair demanding lower fee's and throwing their toys out of the pram as per usual.
Busiest month is June, reduction in July - very large amount of traffic is to sun spots of Eastern Europe in June. Reduces in July and turns more to inbound markets. All reduces in August/September. Most people get out in June/July and return more gradually during July/August/September. FR are unlike Aer Lingus who can maintain a constent schedule and profit at the same time.
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With Jet2.com launching services to New York(Newark) towards the end of this year from East Midlands, Leeds Bradford, Newcastle, Manchester and Glasgow, would not the CAA not approach them and entice them to offer some of the services via Cork?
Knock managed to do this with some other UK carrier several years ago..just a thought.
Knock managed to do this with some other UK carrier several years ago..just a thought.
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I think those Jet2 flights are basically scheduled charters, mostly sold through Jet2 holidays. I think the aircraft even stay in New York for the duration of the stay.
LHR certainly had a 5th daily summer rotation for a number of years, think it used to be a W pattern from DUB. I guess that slot is being used for BHD or SNN services these days. ORK seems to be in a difficult place at the moment for EI. On one had there are opportunities for additional flights and routes here and there, such as a 5th daily LHR, increasing frequency to Paris, possibly taking over some BHX and MAN routations by mainline, or frequency increases at Regional. The problem is that both the Regional and Mainline fleets are pretty stretched at the moment and there is no large-scale order of new aircraft. the VS contract takes care of the new mainline arrivals and the new Regional fleet is backfilling mainline out of DUB and replacing older units. It would seem a mixture of commercial and strategic reasons are conspiring agains expansion at ORK for the present time.
LHR certainly had a 5th daily summer rotation for a number of years, think it used to be a W pattern from DUB. I guess that slot is being used for BHD or SNN services these days. ORK seems to be in a difficult place at the moment for EI. On one had there are opportunities for additional flights and routes here and there, such as a 5th daily LHR, increasing frequency to Paris, possibly taking over some BHX and MAN routations by mainline, or frequency increases at Regional. The problem is that both the Regional and Mainline fleets are pretty stretched at the moment and there is no large-scale order of new aircraft. the VS contract takes care of the new mainline arrivals and the new Regional fleet is backfilling mainline out of DUB and replacing older units. It would seem a mixture of commercial and strategic reasons are conspiring agains expansion at ORK for the present time.
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Traffic at Cork slightly down for January and February. On what basis is Cork predicting growth in 2013? All of the major carriers have less capacity than in 2012 with the exception of Ryanair and their extra European routes. Wizz have withdrawn from 3 routes since January.
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Often thought Turkish airlines would be a great candidate for Cork. 737`s operated into Dublin always have great loads, a massive hub in Istanbul with connections to China, Japan, India, South East Asia, Middle East, former Soviet Union countries, Africa and in itself, one of Europe`s largest economies and one of the few actually growing well!
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Turkish has been mentioned on here now a few times. Apparently, a few years ago TK put Cork under the microscope but nothing came of it at the time. However, you can always return to the well and my understanding is that a contengent of the Cork Airport gang were recently at a Turkey tourism fare in Dublin. As against that Turkish are about to increase their service to Dublin from daiy to about eleven or twelve a week once the summer schedule begins so that will have made it somewhat harder for Cork in the Istanbul department. No harm in plugging away at it though for next year if the increased Dublin services do well.
What is of far more concern is news that BA biz type passnegers are being offered very significant price reductions if passengers begin their long haul travel from Dublin through Heathrow as against Cork and for that matter, presumably, Shannon as well. There are so many empty seats on many of the BA Heathrow Dublin flights that if you compare fares with Cork on the Aer Lingus/British Airways codeshare as against Dublin originating BA long haul flights the saving ex Dublin are very substantial. One example quoted was a biz class fare from Dublin to Australia was more than Euro 1,000 cheaper than a Cork originating flight on the BA codeshare.
I prefer not to use coarse language on this forum as there is enough of it in daily life but with the above comparison in mind Cork Airport is bolloxed!
Game over, nearly. It is all very discouraging.
At least snn will have their core North Atlantic long haul assured in the months ahead with the Aer Lingus 757 deal. I am mentioning snn not from an envying point of view but it must give some kind of reassurance.
Hope in the future of Cork Airport - what hope?
What is of far more concern is news that BA biz type passnegers are being offered very significant price reductions if passengers begin their long haul travel from Dublin through Heathrow as against Cork and for that matter, presumably, Shannon as well. There are so many empty seats on many of the BA Heathrow Dublin flights that if you compare fares with Cork on the Aer Lingus/British Airways codeshare as against Dublin originating BA long haul flights the saving ex Dublin are very substantial. One example quoted was a biz class fare from Dublin to Australia was more than Euro 1,000 cheaper than a Cork originating flight on the BA codeshare.
I prefer not to use coarse language on this forum as there is enough of it in daily life but with the above comparison in mind Cork Airport is bolloxed!
Game over, nearly. It is all very discouraging.
At least snn will have their core North Atlantic long haul assured in the months ahead with the Aer Lingus 757 deal. I am mentioning snn not from an envying point of view but it must give some kind of reassurance.
Hope in the future of Cork Airport - what hope?
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It's the same in economy, though I'm not sure on who's side the problem is. Is it EI jacking up BA codeshare prices or the other way around. Just did one this weekend return, 100 cheaper to book 2 flights individually than as one through codeshare. BA out of Cork is very hefty for shorthaul, though longhaul is more reasonable.
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Probably represents EI charging hefty sums for the connection. In fairness the LHR flights are always busy with people just going to London, although of availability is that tight maybe they should consider putting the A321 back on the route instead of the fifth daily, if they can't get the slots.