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Well, as for Zurich there is plenty of precedent from Cork. Around 20 years ago Aer Lingus did Cork - Zurich scheduled! In some ways I feel a potential Zurich service might work more easily with a Swiss carrier if the fares were sensibly priced with such aircraft as the Swiss RJ and A319 or Helvetic Fokker 100s that are probably the right size. Yes, yes, I know and acknowlege the yield issue etc but I just cant see 174 seaters going to Zurich from Cork at any time in the future winter or summer. As it happens I was, coincidentally, on the EI344/5 DUB-ZUR very recently. The outbound flight from Dublin had about 140 pax on the Thursday and the returning flight on the May Bank Holiday Sunday had just 85 pax. Swiss also run a flight to Dublin but their fares are through the roof!
A year round Cork-Zurich? Not so sure about that but three months in summer and three months in winter, perhaps, yes. Whether such an arrangement would qualify for new route incentives is a question I am unable to answer but it would seem doubtful?
My opinion on Zurich as a place to visit. Let me put it this way - I would love to learn German and go live there asap! I think that it is a place that suits Cork people. All those hills and windy roads, the river, lake and beautiful countryside all around. What Cork might be like on a grand scale with a superbly working infrastructure and public transport service with plenty to see and do.
If I had the means I would go there again tomorrow!
From a dispassionate point of view and if Cork has a chance of a ski type route for the winter it might kind of depend on how close ski stations etc are to the arriving airport? Between GVA, ZUR, SZG and INN which has the ski stations closest at hand? Dont see LYS or Turin in the running eventhough I would like Lyon myself but that is a private joke!
A year round Cork-Zurich? Not so sure about that but three months in summer and three months in winter, perhaps, yes. Whether such an arrangement would qualify for new route incentives is a question I am unable to answer but it would seem doubtful?
My opinion on Zurich as a place to visit. Let me put it this way - I would love to learn German and go live there asap! I think that it is a place that suits Cork people. All those hills and windy roads, the river, lake and beautiful countryside all around. What Cork might be like on a grand scale with a superbly working infrastructure and public transport service with plenty to see and do.
If I had the means I would go there again tomorrow!
From a dispassionate point of view and if Cork has a chance of a ski type route for the winter it might kind of depend on how close ski stations etc are to the arriving airport? Between GVA, ZUR, SZG and INN which has the ski stations closest at hand? Dont see LYS or Turin in the running eventhough I would like Lyon myself but that is a private joke!
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Only negative on Geneva is that they have closed the BFS-GVA route although they would not have competition from Cork. Zurich is a beautiful City but the Cork masses seem to prefer bucket and shovel destinations and stag friendly cities like Prague and Barcelona.
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Whatever you do, dont keep it to yourself!!?
However, there have been so, so many false starts at Cork on an North Atlantic route surely the utmost extreme caution must be observed on this matter.
There has been an awful of disappointment and at times bitterness on the topic of possible US flights from Cork down the years and we must also remember it was just a few weeks ago that Cork's marketing manager, Mr Cullinane, advised in the Irish Examiner newspaper that there were about another three more years to go before Cork could secure a US flight so let us take any speculation that is out there with large grains of salt.
When the aeroplane is up off the runway at Cork and heading in the direction of 15 West then and only then is the time to believe in a Cork - US flight!
However, there have been so, so many false starts at Cork on an North Atlantic route surely the utmost extreme caution must be observed on this matter.
There has been an awful of disappointment and at times bitterness on the topic of possible US flights from Cork down the years and we must also remember it was just a few weeks ago that Cork's marketing manager, Mr Cullinane, advised in the Irish Examiner newspaper that there were about another three more years to go before Cork could secure a US flight so let us take any speculation that is out there with large grains of salt.
When the aeroplane is up off the runway at Cork and heading in the direction of 15 West then and only then is the time to believe in a Cork - US flight!
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I have to agree with TTT here. Large dose of slat, but a cautious welcome if it is true. I suppose we could see a summer 2009 launch, but with the US economy the way it is travel would almost all be originating in the ORK area, and Im not sure how much premium traffic a US carrier could steal from the likes of BA or KL over AMS (ex possibly CO or DL).
Interesting that you should mention ZRH, I think the numbers of traveller between the two cities on a monthly basis would surprise a lot of people. High demand in J as well, which makes sense if you consider the pahrma heavy harbour area and pharma interests in Switzerland.
Maybe if LX ever get their E-jets we might see a service!
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Interesting that you should mention ZRH, I think the numbers of traveller between the two cities on a monthly basis would surprise a lot of people. High demand in J as well, which makes sense if you consider the pahrma heavy harbour area and pharma interests in Switzerland.
Maybe if LX ever get their E-jets we might see a service!
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Cork US flights
It should be noted that the previous attempts to launch Cork US flts were adhoc charter flights with no brand name carrier. These charters might have worked in the 1970's but were always up against it in the deregulated environment of this decade
In hindsight it would probably have been better if these initiatives were not undertaken as if people now react to a new service in a sceptical cynical manner, it might not get advance bookings.
In hindsight it would probably have been better if these initiatives were not undertaken as if people now react to a new service in a sceptical cynical manner, it might not get advance bookings.
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From the Irish Examiner website. This is absolutely shocking:
17 May 2008
Aer Lingus passengers vent anger after being left stranded
By Sean O’Riordan and Claire O’Sullivan
FURIOUS passengers have criticised Aer Lingus after they were stranded in Berlin for more than 24 hours.
The Berlin-Cork flight was cancelled at 9pm on Thursday after an air traffic control computer broke down in Maastricht, Netherlands.
Many of the plane’s 117 passengers on the flight were forced to sleep on floors at the Berlin airport terminal on Thursday night.
Some also couldn’t get flights out of Germany yesterday and were forced to wait for the scheduled flight to Cork later today.
Gavin Webb from Charleville, Co Cork, claimed that Aer Lingus hadn’t contacted any of them and the little knowledge they gained about their predicament came from airport staff.
“They shouldn’t be called Aer Lingus, they should be called Aer Leave Us,” he said.
“Some people were able to get a Ryanair flight out, which they had to pay for. But the rest of us were left stranded and Aer Lingus didn’t put on a replacement plane,” he said.
An Aer Lingus spokeswoman denied this and said that all passengers had been offered flight refunds or else replacement flights to Dublin and London.
“The reason that the passengers weren’t put up for the night is because air traffic control failure like that is deemed an extraordinary circumstance. Airlines across Europe were affected by it, not just us. A great many of the passengers on the Berlin-Cork flight chose to fly into Dublin last night instead,” said the spokeswoman.
Gavin Webb’s wife, Maureen, described Aer Lingus’s treatment of passengers as appalling.
“It is disgusting. They couldn’t give two hoots about the people here. The computer was only down for three hours and since then, other planes were flying in and out of here. We’re told we won’t get out now until 9.20pm [tonight],” she said.
The Webbs had to sleep at the airport on Thursday night, but fortunately last night they were taken in by a German woman who didn’t even know them.
“She was very kind. She said she didn’t want to see us sleeping on the floor. Other German people did the same and took in some passengers,” said Ms Webb.
Aer Lingus passengers vent anger after being left stranded
By Sean O’Riordan and Claire O’Sullivan
FURIOUS passengers have criticised Aer Lingus after they were stranded in Berlin for more than 24 hours.
The Berlin-Cork flight was cancelled at 9pm on Thursday after an air traffic control computer broke down in Maastricht, Netherlands.
Many of the plane’s 117 passengers on the flight were forced to sleep on floors at the Berlin airport terminal on Thursday night.
Some also couldn’t get flights out of Germany yesterday and were forced to wait for the scheduled flight to Cork later today.
Gavin Webb from Charleville, Co Cork, claimed that Aer Lingus hadn’t contacted any of them and the little knowledge they gained about their predicament came from airport staff.
“They shouldn’t be called Aer Lingus, they should be called Aer Leave Us,” he said.
“Some people were able to get a Ryanair flight out, which they had to pay for. But the rest of us were left stranded and Aer Lingus didn’t put on a replacement plane,” he said.
An Aer Lingus spokeswoman denied this and said that all passengers had been offered flight refunds or else replacement flights to Dublin and London.
“The reason that the passengers weren’t put up for the night is because air traffic control failure like that is deemed an extraordinary circumstance. Airlines across Europe were affected by it, not just us. A great many of the passengers on the Berlin-Cork flight chose to fly into Dublin last night instead,” said the spokeswoman.
Gavin Webb’s wife, Maureen, described Aer Lingus’s treatment of passengers as appalling.
“It is disgusting. They couldn’t give two hoots about the people here. The computer was only down for three hours and since then, other planes were flying in and out of here. We’re told we won’t get out now until 9.20pm [tonight],” she said.
The Webbs had to sleep at the airport on Thursday night, but fortunately last night they were taken in by a German woman who didn’t even know them.
“She was very kind. She said she didn’t want to see us sleeping on the floor. Other German people did the same and took in some passengers,” said Ms Webb.
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MAN and BHX are both loaded for the EI winter time-table. MAN sees a extra flight on a Thursday, the aircraft goes to ACE on Tues and Sat. BHX sees its Saturday flight culled to make way for TFS. JER does not stick around for the Winter nor do ALC or FAO. Hopefully we will see JER back next year and a new route will also be launched in the coming weeks.
LHR is 4x daily, as usual for the winter, this time with 321s throughout.
LHR is 4x daily, as usual for the winter, this time with 321s throughout.
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Berlin Cancellation
Was one of the passengers on the cancelled Thursday flight.
Aer Lingus' handling agent in schonefeld had no information for passengers. They would not book overnight stays in nearby hotels as they stated they had no authorisation to do so from Aer Lingus. The agents handed out a telephone no and told passengers to contact Aer Lingus directly. Not one passenger we spoke to was able to get through. That night all passengers had to fend for themselves in making travel and accommodation arrangements.
In contrast, two easyjet flights were also cancelled. Every passenger with this airline was given an accommodation voucher for the same hotel in which Aer Lingus passengers had to pay. Clearly, easyjet did not deem the event 'an extraordinary circumstance' and looked after their passengers accordingly.
By the time passengers were able to contact Aer Lingus the Dublin flight was full and a number of passengers were told the only available flight was the ORK flight on Sat.
The following morning, the Aer Lingus handling agent still had no further information.
The failure to keep passengers informed of the incident and their refusal to authorise their handling agent to accomodate passengers was disgraceful.
Aer Lingus' handling agent in schonefeld had no information for passengers. They would not book overnight stays in nearby hotels as they stated they had no authorisation to do so from Aer Lingus. The agents handed out a telephone no and told passengers to contact Aer Lingus directly. Not one passenger we spoke to was able to get through. That night all passengers had to fend for themselves in making travel and accommodation arrangements.
In contrast, two easyjet flights were also cancelled. Every passenger with this airline was given an accommodation voucher for the same hotel in which Aer Lingus passengers had to pay. Clearly, easyjet did not deem the event 'an extraordinary circumstance' and looked after their passengers accordingly.
By the time passengers were able to contact Aer Lingus the Dublin flight was full and a number of passengers were told the only available flight was the ORK flight on Sat.
The following morning, the Aer Lingus handling agent still had no further information.
The failure to keep passengers informed of the incident and their refusal to authorise their handling agent to accomodate passengers was disgraceful.
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I'd expect this of Ryanair but I'd have thought Aer Lingus would be better than this. Conduct like this is only going to drive people away from Aer Lingus and onto the new Shannon-Berlin flight instead. Could they not have routed the Thursday night flight from Prague back via Berlin? or put an A321 on the Friday Dublin flight to provide extra capacity?
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Breaking news
Starting July 10th, Wizz air will introduce a new service from Cork:
WARSAW
Flights will be Thursday and Sunday (early morning).
WARSAW
Flights will be Thursday and Sunday (early morning).
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Thats brilliant news. The times are fairly good by Wizzair standards leaving Cork at 8.15AM on Thursdays and 9.15AM on Sundays. We'll finally be able to see the purple livery during daytime. Credit to the CAA for getting the route back relatively quickly. It should hopefully do very well considering they'll be the only service from Munster to Warsaw. This should hopefully stop Tom the Tenor moaning about the loss of the route.
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Starting July 13th, Wizz air will introduce a new service from Cork:
WARSAW
WARSAW
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Warsaw? Been done, done that and wore the tee-shirt! 
There's no fool like an old fool! 
Great that Warsaw is being restored by Wizz. A good save by the CAA and so well done from me!
The week in Faro by the mighty team from Cork at the routes conference might have done some good and that they came home with something more than just a good tan!
Only right that Warsaw is restored so sos beag anois and then back to business and redouble the effort to haul Budapest back into Cork's charge!
There's no fool like an old fool! Great that Warsaw is being restored by Wizz. A good save by the CAA and so well done from me!
The week in Faro by the mighty team from Cork at the routes conference might have done some good and that they came home with something more than just a good tan!
Only right that Warsaw is restored so sos beag anois and then back to business and redouble the effort to haul Budapest back into Cork's charge!
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Well if the Wizz Air team were any way good at negotiating they'll for sure be introducing Warsaw in conjunction the Cork Airport Route Support Scheme (RSS), despite the fact that the RSS is for routes that haven't been operated from Cork in more that 12 months (not the case here), and that RSS routes must be at least 3 weekly (not the case here).
It's great news though, coz Shannon could have snatched it away if they got to Wizz first, and here's hoping the route will prosper
Surely many Poles from Limerick to Listowel to Mallow to Clonmel to Dungarvan (you get the picture) will rejoice at news of this new route.
It's great news though, coz Shannon could have snatched it away if they got to Wizz first, and here's hoping the route will prosper
Surely many Poles from Limerick to Listowel to Mallow to Clonmel to Dungarvan (you get the picture) will rejoice at news of this new route.
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It's great news though, coz Shannon could have snatched it away if they got to Wizz first, and here's hoping the route will prosper
Have central wings pulled out of Ireland completely now? Or are they still hanging on at SNN and DUB?
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Have central wings pulled out of Ireland completely now? Or are they still hanging on at SNN and DUB?
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Wizz have also a bit of presence in Belfast from Poland. Whether Belfast may be considered by some folk to be an Irish destination or not may be open to interpetation! 