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Well, they hold their own AOC, so both companies obviously have filed slot requests at FRA for identical times. Whoever gets the slots first will be the official carriers on the route, me thinks.
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AF are suspending LCY-MAD according to http://airlineroute.*************/ from 24th november.
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Cityflyer are reportedly trying to get their mits on two RJ85's for use to MAD & an Italian destination. Due to the runway limitations at LCY, the RJ100 is apparently too large for the route
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BA Cityflyer have actually done the deal on these RJ85s :
"BA CityFlyer announced the acquisition of two Avro RJ85 regional jets for Spring 2008. The airline has signed leases for the two aircraft with BAE Systems Regional Aircraft, to replace the two oldest RJ100s in the BA CityFlyer fleet of 10 aircraft. The new, lighter aircraft will be able to carry more passengers on longer routes from London City Airport."
http://www.bashares.com/phoenix.zhtm...9&p=IROL-index
"BA CityFlyer announced the acquisition of two Avro RJ85 regional jets for Spring 2008. The airline has signed leases for the two aircraft with BAE Systems Regional Aircraft, to replace the two oldest RJ100s in the BA CityFlyer fleet of 10 aircraft. The new, lighter aircraft will be able to carry more passengers on longer routes from London City Airport."
http://www.bashares.com/phoenix.zhtm...9&p=IROL-index
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Looks like Austrian have done a bit of work on how to be quieter. Have they been practicing over at Gloucester ?
We don't train at Gloucester. Some crews got steep approach training at Zeltweg AB (LOXZ) and most get their training on the line. Currently it's instructors only. We also operate to Altenrhein-St.Gallen (LSZR) which has a runway of almost the same size with a 4 degree ILS that is very slightly offset and has a minimum of 210ft RA. The ramp there is even smaller but there's no other airline traffic; it has more of the "Swiss pasture" feeling with sheep grazing on the safety strips.
The Fokker 70 has a dedicated "steep approach" button that will reprogram the flight guidance as well as GPWS and disable autoland
Main gear strut pressure is also reduced.Landing mass restrictions for dry/wet are not limiting for the VIE flight. More than idle reverse would only be required for slippery runway or in case of abnormal ops.
BTW, anyone care to vent their feelings about the "touchdown zone compliance monitoring".
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I've heard that there is a permenant film crew hidden in a fake letter box filming all aircraft landing. Anyone floating past he TD end markers by even 1m are reported to Ken Livingstone the Mayor of London and are then fined!
PS. saw one of your landings in a strong crosswind with gust and it was nicely done, I was a bit nervous beforehand to say the least! Nice flying!
PS. saw one of your landings in a strong crosswind with gust and it was nicely done, I was a bit nervous beforehand to say the least! Nice flying!
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To whoever manages the Passenger Information System at LCY :
Went over there last night to meet a business colleague arriving on the 1910 arrival from Dublin.
Teletext and LCY website both said it was arriving 20 minutes early at 1850. Surprising, as they had got away from Dublin 5 minutes late, so went to some effort to get over there earlier than expected. Info screens in terminal also said it was "Expected 1850".
Well I should have known better than expecting a 55-minute transit from Dublin landing into LCY in the evening rush, shouldn't I ? 1850 came and went. So did 1900, 1910 and 1920. Other landings were put up. It was still "Expected 1850" 30 minutes after the event.
Then suddenly it was "landed 1915". Followed just a few minutes later by being completely cleared from the board, well before the pax had emerged.
Who updates this ? The handling agent or airport staff ? I have complained before about clearing relevant data far too soon while leaving all the rest of the arrivals for the whole day on there for hours ahead. Come on folks, you can do better than this.
Maybe we can have a new message "Expected to be heading between ALKIN and SPEAR going in the wrong direction at 1850".
Went over there last night to meet a business colleague arriving on the 1910 arrival from Dublin.
Teletext and LCY website both said it was arriving 20 minutes early at 1850. Surprising, as they had got away from Dublin 5 minutes late, so went to some effort to get over there earlier than expected. Info screens in terminal also said it was "Expected 1850".
Well I should have known better than expecting a 55-minute transit from Dublin landing into LCY in the evening rush, shouldn't I ? 1850 came and went. So did 1900, 1910 and 1920. Other landings were put up. It was still "Expected 1850" 30 minutes after the event.
Then suddenly it was "landed 1915". Followed just a few minutes later by being completely cleared from the board, well before the pax had emerged.
Who updates this ? The handling agent or airport staff ? I have complained before about clearing relevant data far too soon while leaving all the rest of the arrivals for the whole day on there for hours ahead. Come on folks, you can do better than this.
Maybe we can have a new message "Expected to be heading between ALKIN and SPEAR going in the wrong direction at 1850".
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I was on a VLM flight also due to arrive about 18.50 last night, and already delayed an hour due to ATC restrictions, and arriving in the London area we were put in a hold for about 30 mins as the captain told us LCY was closed due to a 'fire alert'. I guess there was a bit of confusion as to which flight was arriving when around that time as they sorted the arrivals out so that might explain the problems with the arrivals board, had to wait a few minutes for a stand to become available as well, but that seems to be usual for that time of the evening.
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Third carrier on AMS-LCY. Particularly VLM will be delighted....
So no LCY-DUS for the time being.
British Airways is launching new shorthaul routes London City from March 30, 2008.
BA Cityflyer, the airline's wholly owned subsidiary which operates from London City airport, is to launch four new routes next summer to Amsterdam, Barcelona, Nice and Warsaw.
Robert Boyle, British Airways' commercial director, said: "BA Cityflyer's operation at London City airport continues to go from strength to strength and from next summer will operate to nine destinations in the UK and Europe."
Flights from London City to Milan Malpensa will be suspended.
London City - Amsterdam Four per day from May 2008
London City - Barcelona Daily from May 2008
London City - Nice Daily from March 30, 2008
London City - Warsaw Daily from May 2008
BA Cityflyer, the airline's wholly owned subsidiary which operates from London City airport, is to launch four new routes next summer to Amsterdam, Barcelona, Nice and Warsaw.
Robert Boyle, British Airways' commercial director, said: "BA Cityflyer's operation at London City airport continues to go from strength to strength and from next summer will operate to nine destinations in the UK and Europe."
Flights from London City to Milan Malpensa will be suspended.
London City - Amsterdam Four per day from May 2008
London City - Barcelona Daily from May 2008
London City - Nice Daily from March 30, 2008
London City - Warsaw Daily from May 2008
So no LCY-DUS for the time being.
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Surprised to see that VLM is down to 9 flights. Weren't they doing 12-14 flights a day a while ago with KLM only offering 5 or 6? Seems as if KLM is catching up after they were initially slaughtered by VLM on the route.
All in all, I am under the impression as if VLM is facing hard times on their LCY routes.
BRU and to some extent ANR will suffer from the Eurostar, AMS is under pressure because of KLM and now BA. MAN has been reduced over the past years mainly due to the railways, LPL has disappeared completely. JER is only a skeleton service.
All in all, I am under the impression as if VLM is facing hard times on their LCY routes.
BRU and to some extent ANR will suffer from the Eurostar, AMS is under pressure because of KLM and now BA. MAN has been reduced over the past years mainly due to the railways, LPL has disappeared completely. JER is only a skeleton service.
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Regarding BA what's being cut as they still only have 10 aircraft? Surely more than just Malpensa. Is Warsaw really a London City route with high yield business traffic?
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From what I gather, BACF has currently only 8 aircraft allocated, with two each overnighting at LCY, EDI and GLA plus one each at FRA and MAD.
MAD and BCN probably will be served with one of the new Avro RJ85s. I guess NCE will simply replace MXP as an off-peak flight. LCY-AMS probably can be done by one aircraft (probably AMS-based), and there is sufficient off-peak capacity to squeeze in WAW.
This would mean 9 aircaft allocated next summer plus one spare without the need to cut anything back.
MAD and BCN probably will be served with one of the new Avro RJ85s. I guess NCE will simply replace MXP as an off-peak flight. LCY-AMS probably can be done by one aircraft (probably AMS-based), and there is sufficient off-peak capacity to squeeze in WAW.
This would mean 9 aircaft allocated next summer plus one spare without the need to cut anything back.
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Yes, BA have been beaten by Air One operating at "proper" business times (and to a proper business airport in Milan).
Regarding VLM, it is right they seem to be stagnating at LCY and cutting off-peak flights on all routes - even their flagship Rotterdam operation has nothing between 11am and 4pm now.
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And yet I read in the latest AMS network newsletter:
That's a lot of capacity on AMS!
Virginblue - you seem to be right about 8 BA aircraft being allocated (but they don't fly MUC, so by my count it's 2 overnighting in EDI, 2 in GLA, 2 in LCY, 1 in MAD and 1 in ZRH) but if they go to 9 allocated aircraft they're cutting their standby cover in half - and they haven't exactly been immune to tech delays so far, have they?
VLM Airlines will increase the number of flights on Amsterdam – London City
again from 10 to 12 flights per weekday as from 4 February 2008. In total there
will be 4 Fokker 50 aircraft flying the route on behalf of VLM Airlines.
again from 10 to 12 flights per weekday as from 4 February 2008. In total there
will be 4 Fokker 50 aircraft flying the route on behalf of VLM Airlines.
Virginblue - you seem to be right about 8 BA aircraft being allocated (but they don't fly MUC, so by my count it's 2 overnighting in EDI, 2 in GLA, 2 in LCY, 1 in MAD and 1 in ZRH) but if they go to 9 allocated aircraft they're cutting their standby cover in half - and they haven't exactly been immune to tech delays so far, have they?
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I mixed up MUC and MAD, of course.
I also understand that ZRH will be night-stopper from the summer. So it will be 2 at GLA and EDI each and one each at MAD, ZRH, FRA and LCY (and presumably AMS). Tight, of course, but on the other hand with a fleet of just ten aircraft two spare aircraft will seriously hurt your earnings.
By the way, where do they keep the spare aircraft if they are not undergoing maintenance?
I also understand that ZRH will be night-stopper from the summer. So it will be 2 at GLA and EDI each and one each at MAD, ZRH, FRA and LCY (and presumably AMS). Tight, of course, but on the other hand with a fleet of just ten aircraft two spare aircraft will seriously hurt your earnings.
By the way, where do they keep the spare aircraft if they are not undergoing maintenance?
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Hmm, good question.
Aren't movement caps usually calculated per flight season? If so, there may be some movements left for the summer season. Or they have bought some slots from, hmmm, Euromanx?
Aren't movement caps usually calculated per flight season? If so, there may be some movements left for the summer season. Or they have bought some slots from, hmmm, Euromanx?