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Old 18th May 2007, 17:19
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Hi all is this true that LCY is closed from Saturday lunchtime until Sunday afternoon?

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Yes it is shut then. Which means no lates for us on Saturdays or earlies on Sundays!
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VLM's 146 ops

Does anyone have any feedback on the 146-300 that VLM has been operating? It's certainly raised a few eyebrows but as I understand it this is only an evaluation? Any chance we'll see anymore of the type going to VLM?

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Hi all is this true that LCY is closed from Saturday lunchtime until Sunday afternoon?
With most of the aiports passengers being business pax & Sat afternoon/Sun morning isn't normally the time these people travel. I understand it was agreed that LCY would close 'to give the neighbours some peace & quiet on a weekend' & I understand this is one of the reasons no helicopters are allowed in.

The airport does "open" one Saturday afternoon a year & this is for the annual LCY Funday which I believe is the only time single engine aircraft are permitted to use London City Airport (I know they've had a Spitfire in during this event before) but all aircraft are invited & I think LCY ATC iS downgraded.

On the subject of single engine aircraft using LCY, does the ban come from the CAA or is it something the airport decided?

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Originally Posted by George Tower
Does anyone have any feedback on the 146-300 that VLM has been operating? It's certainly raised a few eyebrows but as I understand it this is only an evaluation? Any chance we'll see anymore of the type going to VLM?
The 146 only seems to take a decent load on it's first and last flights of the day. I can't speak for every flight but it has departed with as few as 19 pax on board.
It gets to RTM in only 10 mins less than the F50 but uses 3 times as much fuel to do so. I can't see it lasting and I think VLM would be better off with something like a Dash 8 Q400.
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Old 20th May 2007, 17:54
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Originally Posted by OpsSix
The 146 only seems to take a decent load on it's first and last flights of the day.
True of most VLM routes
It gets to RTM in only 10 mins less than the F50 but uses 3 times as much fuel to do so.
It does of course carry twice as many pax if full. And in fact with the weight restrictions that affect F50 ops at LCY it could be carrying 3 times as many ! And maybe their bags don't have to be offloaded/left behind either.
I can't see it lasting and I think VLM would be better off with something like a Dash 8 Q400
Of course the same applies to BA, Cityjet, Swiss, et al, all of whom are quite happy with their 146 ops. Fuel cost isn't everything.
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Old 21st May 2007, 08:21
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True of most VLM routes

Not neccesarily, some of the late morning/early afternoon flights are often busy.

It does of course carry twice as many pax if full. And in fact with the weight restrictions that affect F50 ops at LCY it could be carrying 3 times as many ! And maybe their bags don't have to be offloaded/left behind either.

If full, but it is rare that it does go full. The weight restrictions limit us to around 44 on most occasions but the 146 only has 92 seats.
Having spoken to my colleagues, none of us have ever offloaded bags due to weight restrictions.

Fuel cost isn't everything.

It is when there are ony 19 pax on the flight.
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Old 21st May 2007, 08:46
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The two Avro RJ85s that Swiss has off-loaded to Malmoe Aviation apparently will end up with subsidiary Transwede for LCY operations on behalf of SAS. With three routes being served by SAS (CPH, ARN, OSL), it means we will see some replacement of RJ70 / Q400 services (and a slight increase in capacity on the Scandinavian routes). I would expect to see the RJ85 on CPH and ARN, making the RJ70 available for OSL, but I have not checked.
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Old 21st May 2007, 17:53
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So many BAE 146/RJ'S now serve LCY I wonder if there will be more visiting than the good old Fokker 50's on a daily basis....

Why is there a pas limit on the F50, is it simply underpowered or just due to the obstacle clearance at city?
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Old 21st May 2007, 18:05
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Originally Posted by MikeStanton
So many BAE 146/RJ'S now serve LCY I wonder if there will be more visiting than the good old Fokker 50's on a daily basis....
73 BAe146/RJ arrivals compared to 52 F50, so already well ahead. Only 33 "others" for a total of 158 schedules.

Why is there a pax limit on the F50, is it simply underpowered or just due to the obstacle clearance at city?
Combination of the two.
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The airport does "open" one Saturday afternoon a year & this is for the annual LCY Funday which I believe is the only time single engine aircraft are permitted to use London City Airport (I know they've had a Spitfire in during this event before) but all aircraft are invited & I think LCY ATC iS downgraded.


7th July I believe this year. A great event. Well worth a visit. Free to get in but they do expect you to spend some money which all goes to the local childrens hospice 'Richard House' which looks after terminally ill children. The flying display is awesome but it's a great community event. I will be trying to get there for about the 10th time in a row!
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Old 23rd May 2007, 08:25
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ATC is downgraded to A/G only on Funday (I think I asked a while ago WHY it was downgraded). So there are several calls to "City Tower" who have to be corrected to "City Radio".

TG, I think it's about 10 for me as well.
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Old 28th May 2007, 07:48
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Records?

Came back through LCY on Friday and it was teaming with passengers - and this was mid afternoon! Recon it must have been a good day for them passenger wise. Guess some of the routes like Nice & Rome are good holiday break cities.
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Old 28th May 2007, 11:18
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LCY is starting to creak at busy times. Delays for start, delays for Taxi, delays for departure.
Hats off to ATC, they have arrivals and departures down to a fine art, don`t think they could squeeze anything else in.
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Old 28th May 2007, 15:35
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'LCY is starting to creak at busy times. Delays for start, delays for Taxi, delays for departure.
Hats off to ATC, they have arrivals and departures down to a fine art, don`t think they could squeeze anything else in.'

Still a damn site better than LHR!!! (In my humble view and experience)
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Rumours that VLM and Darwin have made it known that the LPL / BRN-LUG routes will go. Any confirmation ?
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Old 29th May 2007, 10:18
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Originally Posted by virginblue
Rumours that VLM and Darwin have made it known that the LPL / BRN-LUG routes will go. Any confirmation ?
Confirmations:
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Old 1st Jun 2007, 13:34
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I note that Berlin has been added to the cities in the route survey section of LCY's website. If it happens, it would be the 4th try after Conti-Flug, Eurowings and Augsburg Airways. Maybe Cityjet or British Airways this time? Exeter has been dropped from the list, surveyed at the moment are HEL, VIE, BCN and BER.
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Old 2nd Jun 2007, 20:19
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Lufthansa will replace Cirrus Airlines and its DHC8-100 on the HAM route with effect winter schedule with a Contactair ATR42-500. That means Contactair ATRs on the routes to DUS, HAM, NUE and STR.
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 17:53
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One for the ATC folk maybe :

When arriving on 10 from the north, for years we would come over LAM, then round to downwind overhead Stratford and left base onto 10. Pretty much a reciprocal of a 28 departure.

In recent times a new route seems to apply, over LAM, down to Dartford, downwind over SE London and right base overhead Westminster.

Probably adding 5 or maybe 10 minutes to arrival time. Any reason for the change ? Wasn't one of the reasons behind the enlarged CTA was to allow the old route to continue ? Is it done this way to allow flights to be held at Alkin, even though this may not actually be required ?
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