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The only way the 318 will have parking space is if they fill in the dock to the left of stand 1. This is on the airports expansion plans but time scale is a bit sketchy!
Who knows, a parallel taxiway might be in the equation too?
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The proposed 5 additional stands A318-sized will provide at least a new hold to the east of Charlie (so presumably it will be Delta), at the east end of the apron extension, so at least time taken for backtracking will be reduced. However a full length parallel taxiway is not part of the plan.
Remember the current stands were actually sized for Dash-7s !
It will be a big job as presumably there will need to be a terminal building extension to the east as well, the current departure lounge is too small at peak times, the security is getting stretched, and there is nowhere currently for airline business lounges which a number of operators at LCY feel is a missing item for their premium pax there.
Remember the current stands were actually sized for Dash-7s !
It will be a big job as presumably there will need to be a terminal building extension to the east as well, the current departure lounge is too small at peak times, the security is getting stretched, and there is nowhere currently for airline business lounges which a number of operators at LCY feel is a missing item for their premium pax there.
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Nose-in parking.
That will add to the turnround time (and presumably costs) compared to the present arrangements. How many more gates, if any, will it make available in the current area ? Presumably there would have to be significant alterations to the terminal building if the gate spacing is changed.
It will also make access to aircraft rear doors more convoluted for the pax.
That will add to the turnround time (and presumably costs) compared to the present arrangements. How many more gates, if any, will it make available in the current area ? Presumably there would have to be significant alterations to the terminal building if the gate spacing is changed.
It will also make access to aircraft rear doors more convoluted for the pax.
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I am surprised that the unused space between the gate area and the DLR station is not used for an extension of retail space, for dedicated airline lounges and an enlarged waiting area. Should be possible without too much investment and the space is available. I know that there are plans for such an extension at a later stage, but given the unbearable situation airside at peak times, they really should fast track this before the background of additional flights by BA Cityflyer and Cityjet.
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Hope VLM stay as they are and not taking over by BA
Plus dont the VLM CEO own Denim Air and Rekkof? Maybe if VLM did get taking over by BA he replace VLM with Denim Air?
Here is what there plains are for LCY.
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Plus dont the VLM CEO own Denim Air and Rekkof? Maybe if VLM did get taking over by BA he replace VLM with Denim Air? Here is what there plains are for LCY.
All the Best
James
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BA are just in the throes of dumping all their commuter-style propeller aircraft operations through their various franchises. It will take a couple of years at least therefore before their Grand Old Duke Of York style "Now we buy them for £100m, now we sell them for £1" attitude to smaller aircraft operations cycles round again and Willie's successor has the brainwave of buying up smaller airlines like VLM to operate under the BA name.
Just in case you think I am being unduly cynical I can remember BA transferring their local services to smaller airlines in the 1960s, then building up their local services again in the 1970s, then dumping them all around 1982 when all the BA Viscounts were withdrawn, then building it all up again. Then in the 1980s they disposed of their smaller routes at Gatwick, many to the independent City Flyer, which at the end of the process they then purchased. And currently .......
Meanwhile back to today at LCY we are at the start date (Mon 26 March) of the greatly expanded Air France operation at London City with no hard information on what's going on. Has anyone booked on the "new services" ? Are they starting "later" ? Is just Belfast starting on Monday (with no publicity it seems they will doubtless have minimal loads) ?
Just in case you think I am being unduly cynical I can remember BA transferring their local services to smaller airlines in the 1960s, then building up their local services again in the 1970s, then dumping them all around 1982 when all the BA Viscounts were withdrawn, then building it all up again. Then in the 1980s they disposed of their smaller routes at Gatwick, many to the independent City Flyer, which at the end of the process they then purchased. And currently .......
Meanwhile back to today at LCY we are at the start date (Mon 26 March) of the greatly expanded Air France operation at London City with no hard information on what's going on. Has anyone booked on the "new services" ? Are they starting "later" ? Is just Belfast starting on Monday (with no publicity it seems they will doubtless have minimal loads) ?
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Any chance that the Flightline 146 flying for VLM to RTM is a former AirUK machine, that would be ironic, as I seem to remember those birds flying the LCY route, many moons ago...
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Flying out of LCY on Friday, I noted a SAS Q400 at the biz apron. Such a long beast squeezed into a corner of the tiny apron was a pretty unsual sight. As there was another Q400 on the ground, I suppose it was tech ?
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Flying out of LCY on Friday, I noted a SAS Q400 at the biz apron. Such a long beast squeezed into a corner of the tiny apron was a pretty unsual sight. As there was another Q400 on the ground, I suppose it was tech ? Yesterday 04:11
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WHBM its all about the slots!! BA dont require Fokker 50s and turbo prop operations. What they do require, if they are serious at LCY is more peak time slots, thats what they need, and VLM have them. So are we gonna see how serious Willy is about LCY? I know he has stated that BACF has to show a 10% profit but will he speculate to accumilate?
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Originally Posted by WHBM
Meanwhile back to today at LCY we are at the start date (Mon 26 March) of the greatly expanded Air France operation at London City with no hard information on what's going on. Has anyone booked on the "new services" ? Are they starting "later" ? Is just Belfast starting on Monday (with no publicity it seems they will doubtless have minimal loads) ?
And Milan... well, watch this space. Meanwhile the AF "forward bookings are for wimps" advertising/publicity machine is revving up but yes, there will certainly be very light loads at first.
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BHD
It is not available to book on the Scotairways website and when attempting to book through Expedia it comes up as an AF route.
Bit strange, I would have thought that Scotairways would have liked to have marketed it themselves as well to increase awareness and their cut.
What was the loads like on it today? Unless they have launched it for someone I can't see the loads being that impressive as it hasn't been advertised much to be honest
Bit strange, I would have thought that Scotairways would have liked to have marketed it themselves as well to increase awareness and their cut.
What was the loads like on it today? Unless they have launched it for someone I can't see the loads being that impressive as it hasn't been advertised much to be honest
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Well I came through BHD (BMI to/from Heathrow) last Wednesday 21 March and with 4 days to go there was no sign anywhere there of the new service.
Even the London City website has the flights (AF 5150-55 series) shown on its arrival/departure pages with blank for a destination ! Look at it today, you will see, this is the third day like this. What a bizarre, lack of publicity approach.
Even the London City website has the flights (AF 5150-55 series) shown on its arrival/departure pages with blank for a destination ! Look at it today, you will see, this is the third day like this. What a bizarre, lack of publicity approach.
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A recent newspaper article reported that D328s would only be used on BHD until September when they would be replaced by RJ85s - if this is the plan,it would explain why flights can't be booked via Scot Airways own website - they will only be operating for Cityjet on this route for a few months.
BTW, the last flight yesterday into BHD had a total of 4 pax - not very promising!
BTW, the last flight yesterday into BHD had a total of 4 pax - not very promising!