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LAN, Mexicana, Frontier and TAROM - none of the very likely to operate into LCY. However, the airport is, as far as I understand, mainly focusing A318 Elite operators.
As far as its size is concerned, it is 140cm shorter than the Q400 and 45cm longer than the RJ100, so the limiting factor probably is wingspan rather than length. Wingspan is 34.09m and thus 5.5m more than the Q400 and almost 8m more than the RJ100.
As far as its size is concerned, it is 140cm shorter than the Q400 and 45cm longer than the RJ100, so the limiting factor probably is wingspan rather than length. Wingspan is 34.09m and thus 5.5m more than the Q400 and almost 8m more than the RJ100.
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Forgot to mention that in addition to the A318, the E170 has also gained certification for LCY, which is probably more improtant given the number of European airlines operating the E-Jets.
http://www.abtn.co.uk/Jets_Gain_London_City_Approval
Article mentions that the E190 will gain certification for LCY towards the end of 2008 and Embraer hopes to replace the BAe 146/Avro RJ as the jetliner of choice for LCY operators.
http://www.abtn.co.uk/Jets_Gain_London_City_Approval
Article mentions that the E190 will gain certification for LCY towards the end of 2008 and Embraer hopes to replace the BAe 146/Avro RJ as the jetliner of choice for LCY operators.
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Came back into LCY last night about 20.00, not the busiest time.
Vectored all round the South-East, then sat on the ground for 10 minutes, obstructed getting onto stand by queue of aircraft held awaiting taxi, then held in aircraft for 5-10 minutes because one on an adjacent stand had engines running, then once out, despite being against the main terminal we needed to be bussed to arrivals. It took said bus another 10 minutes for it to get going the 100m to the terminal door.
Is my favourite airport starting to "lose it" regarding its efficiency and convenience ?
Vectored all round the South-East, then sat on the ground for 10 minutes, obstructed getting onto stand by queue of aircraft held awaiting taxi, then held in aircraft for 5-10 minutes because one on an adjacent stand had engines running, then once out, despite being against the main terminal we needed to be bussed to arrivals. It took said bus another 10 minutes for it to get going the 100m to the terminal door.
Is my favourite airport starting to "lose it" regarding its efficiency and convenience ?
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Vectored all round the South-East
You say "not the busiest time" yet were vectored ectra miles, delayed whilst the queue of outbounds went etc etc.
Clearly a fairly busy time!!!?!?!!?
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Originally Posted by Fried_Chicken
BCI are regular visitors to Biggin Hill bur presumably these will have to be operated as private flights?
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According to this meeting dated January 7th 2007 (see para 5.01) they had stopped.http://www.bigginhillairport.com/BIG...esJan_07_1.pdf
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I seem to remember to have read somewhere that Lufthansa sells the morning flight from FRA into LCY more or less as "C-only". Is this true? If so, and as they are using an Eurowings BAe 146-300 in 3+3 seating, do they still keep the "no middle seat policy" (anything else would be quite unacceptable) ?
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I seem to remember to have read somewhere that Lufthansa sells the morning flight from FRA into LCY more or less as "C-only". Is this true? If so, and as they are using an Eurowings BAe 146-300 in 3+3 seating, do they still keep the "no middle seat policy" (anything else would be quite unacceptable) ?
And yes, the middle seats are empty.
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"Is my favourite airport starting to "lose it" regarding its efficiency and convenience ?"
I flew through on Friday and sailed through. It does depend on time of day and weather I have found. Did you notice fencing going up around the dock? The new work for the stands is my guess (unless anyone knows different?) The new stands should help delays. I also went through T1 at LHR the week before....don't get me started on the delays and problems there (there isa whole forum for this!)
I flew through on Friday and sailed through. It does depend on time of day and weather I have found. Did you notice fencing going up around the dock? The new work for the stands is my guess (unless anyone knows different?) The new stands should help delays. I also went through T1 at LHR the week before....don't get me started on the delays and problems there (there isa whole forum for this!)
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Vectored all round the South-East...
You'll simply follow the STAR to ALKIN (or maybe even LOGAN) then hold for 20 minutes (and remember = "no delay") before being brought off under radar + speed control to be vectored onto the ILS.
Bit like it happens at the four bigger London airports!
Both STN and LTN were once quiet backwaters but except on rare occasions, the 'dive in and land quickly' concept has long gone. It's the price you pay for popularity, punters, planes and business success I'm afraid...
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Just did London City - Dublin - London City on Air France. I was a bit surprised that they were Irish registered aircraft, and that although the route was 'operated by City Jet', the pilots and cabin crew were clearly French. (The in-flight catering, however, was not, but the hour-plus delays with no information were very Gallic...)
How does that work, then? Apologies if this has been asked before, but I couldn't find anything relevant with search
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How does that work, then? Apologies if this has been asked before, but I couldn't find anything relevant with search
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OK, CityJet are a Dublin-based operator who quite a few years ago started on Dublin-Paris among a few other routes, got into a codeshare with Air France, then got into a franchise operation with them, and finally got bought up so are now owned by AF.
Their main focus moved from Dublin to Paris, but this year they have also started a hub at London City. Largest point on the network is still Paris, followed by LCY, with Dublin coming in third. You can do this within the EC nowadays.
Like many European operators their flight crews come from a wide range of countries, but if you are going to base at Paris you are going to have plenty of French crew. Some aircraft are triangle routed CDG-LCY-DUB-CDG during the day so the crews could come from any of those points.
Believe it or not when CityJet first started on Dublin to London City in the early 1990s they were a franchise of Virgin and their early 146s were painted up in the Virgin red livery. That didn't last too long.
Their main focus moved from Dublin to Paris, but this year they have also started a hub at London City. Largest point on the network is still Paris, followed by LCY, with Dublin coming in third. You can do this within the EC nowadays.
Like many European operators their flight crews come from a wide range of countries, but if you are going to base at Paris you are going to have plenty of French crew. Some aircraft are triangle routed CDG-LCY-DUB-CDG during the day so the crews could come from any of those points.
Believe it or not when CityJet first started on Dublin to London City in the early 1990s they were a franchise of Virgin and their early 146s were painted up in the Virgin red livery. That didn't last too long.
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Both VLM and City Jet have filed an application with the German slot-coordinator for flights from Frankfurt to London City, City Jet with a FRA based BAe 146-200, VLM with a BAe 146-300. Before anyone gets excited, it looks rather unlikely that they will any useful slots at FRA. VLM looks for two weekdaily flights, City Jet for numerous flights (4 or 5 rotations).
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As far as its size is concerned, it is 140cm shorter than the Q400 and 45cm longer than the RJ100, so the limiting factor probably is wingspan rather than length. Wingspan is 34.09m and thus 5.5m more than the Q400 and almost 8m more than the RJ100.
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CityJet profits
CityJet profits rise as operations at London City Airport expand
02.07.07
CityJet, the Dublin-based airline owned by Air France-KLM, made a profit of €21.7 million last year, up by more than 25% higher than the previous year. Accounts just filed at the Irish Companies Registration Office show turnover at the airline grew by 18.5% to €242.1m in the year to end March 2006.
The airline, which runs services mainly out of Charles De Gaulle Airport in Paris, recently announced a huge expansion of its services that will see it operating more than 70 flights every day, with a particular focus on London City Airport.
The majority of its turnover is from flights originating in Europe. Turnover here was up from €155m in 2005 to €188m last year. Turnover from its Irish operations increased by €1.2m to €25.4m.
The company's recent focus on expansion from London City Airport appears to be paying off with turnover rising from €23.8m to €27.9m. CityJet has recently announced that it will be offering flights to Geneva, Madrid, Milan Linate, Nice and Zurich from London City.
Does anyone know how the bhd route is doing i have heard there has been a recent increase in passengers.
02.07.07
CityJet, the Dublin-based airline owned by Air France-KLM, made a profit of €21.7 million last year, up by more than 25% higher than the previous year. Accounts just filed at the Irish Companies Registration Office show turnover at the airline grew by 18.5% to €242.1m in the year to end March 2006.
The airline, which runs services mainly out of Charles De Gaulle Airport in Paris, recently announced a huge expansion of its services that will see it operating more than 70 flights every day, with a particular focus on London City Airport.
The majority of its turnover is from flights originating in Europe. Turnover here was up from €155m in 2005 to €188m last year. Turnover from its Irish operations increased by €1.2m to €25.4m.
The company's recent focus on expansion from London City Airport appears to be paying off with turnover rising from €23.8m to €27.9m. CityJet has recently announced that it will be offering flights to Geneva, Madrid, Milan Linate, Nice and Zurich from London City.
Does anyone know how the bhd route is doing i have heard there has been a recent increase in passengers.
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There are a number of ads around Belfast for the service, which is pleasing to see. Still no publicity I have seen at the London end.
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KLM already had one go at enhanced services from London City to The Netherlands and were seen off by VLM, had poor revenue and retrenched to their current schedule.
The reduction in KLM services from Heathrow is not "because of" Open Skies. It is because Amsterdam have chosen to sell some of their slots there to the SkyTeam airlines from the US who can now use them. Not quite the same thing.
I presume KLM can find a way to keep any money so obtained out of the hands of Air France - selling the family silver is one thing, having some new and suspect marriage partner able to get their hands on the proceeds is quite another !
The reduction in KLM services from Heathrow is not "because of" Open Skies. It is because Amsterdam have chosen to sell some of their slots there to the SkyTeam airlines from the US who can now use them. Not quite the same thing.
I presume KLM can find a way to keep any money so obtained out of the hands of Air France - selling the family silver is one thing, having some new and suspect marriage partner able to get their hands on the proceeds is quite another !