Flybe - 3 (Including the FlyBe/BACon merger)
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Here in Toronto Porter Airlines are expecting to make money with a Q400 when Air Canada used to only use a -100. The difference being that with the extra puff in those PW150s the Q400 can probably do a couple of more daily rotations compared to the BA -300s, or take on sectors currently operated by the 145 in similar flying time.
As the Qs accumulate at Flybe the benefits of a larger fleet in terms of crewing and engineering will become apparent. BACON's mixumgatherum fleet should have been slimmed down long since - now Flybe will swing the axe for them.
Maybe with their relationship with Embraer a swap of some existing 145s - maybe as corporate/military conversions - plus the BA options in exchange for more 190s or 195s could happen?
Here in Toronto Porter Airlines are expecting to make money with a Q400 when Air Canada used to only use a -100. The difference being that with the extra puff in those PW150s the Q400 can probably do a couple of more daily rotations compared to the BA -300s, or take on sectors currently operated by the 145 in similar flying time.
As the Qs accumulate at Flybe the benefits of a larger fleet in terms of crewing and engineering will become apparent. BACON's mixumgatherum fleet should have been slimmed down long since - now Flybe will swing the axe for them.
Maybe with their relationship with Embraer a swap of some existing 145s - maybe as corporate/military conversions - plus the BA options in exchange for more 190s or 195s could happen?
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Well either I'm cracking up and have started seing things or Flybe have spotted their accident and deleted Cardiff from the press release?
If anybody else saw this then plese let me know I'm not loosing it!
MB
If anybody else saw this then plese let me know I'm not loosing it!
MB
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"Latest news from Fraggle Rock is not to expect to have a job wef 24th March. Flybe will only take a limited amount of people from here, which will entail significant loss of income and large amounts of redundnacies."
Skiddy
First of all best wishes to all of you in your search for employment.
Surely, there will still be work after March as the 145's and 146's are still going to be flying after then unless Flybe is going to drop a lot of routes. Plus where are the RJ100's going to maintained.
No one that I have asked seems to know how much the Government has invested in the facility but surely BACON/FLYBE cannot walk away without some cost
Skiddy
First of all best wishes to all of you in your search for employment.
Surely, there will still be work after March as the 145's and 146's are still going to be flying after then unless Flybe is going to drop a lot of routes. Plus where are the RJ100's going to maintained.
No one that I have asked seems to know how much the Government has invested in the facility but surely BACON/FLYBE cannot walk away without some cost
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Flybe Fleet allocation
Probably an even more pointless post from me than usual, if that can be possible 
but I have just checked one Monday in May and the N/S are
as follows: -
BHD - 6 (BHX, GLA, LBA, LGW, MAN & SOU)
BHX - 5 (GLA, EDI, ABZ, BHD & GCI)
EDI - 3 (BHD, BHX & SOU)
Exeter - 6 (from 14/5/07) - ALC, EDI, GCI, AGP (14/5), MAN & CDG
GLA - 3 (BHX, MAN, SOU)
GCI - 2 (SOU, LGW)
Jersey - 2 (SOU, LGW)
MAN - 1 (GLA)
NWI - 2 (EDI & MAN)
SOU - 9 (AMS, DUB, DUS, EDI, GLA, LBA, AGP, MAN & NCL)
Total 39
Per Jethros 42 (11 146's, 26 DH4's & 5 195's)
However assuming that 3 of the 195's replace G-JEAY, M & K then it will 39 but the DH4 deliveries only go to January on the list, which could mean another 4 by May (at one month if possible of course).
Just to prove how easy it could be to eliminate some of the BACON aircraft - new route duplication at BHX for night-stopping aircraft -
Hamburg, Aberdeen, Glasgow & Edinburgh and then the EDI-BHX
and GLA-BHX. Potentially six aircraft gone although they have
promised 10 a day BHX - GLA & EDI, which would require more aircraft.
Pete
but I have just checked one Monday in May and the N/S areas follows: -
BHD - 6 (BHX, GLA, LBA, LGW, MAN & SOU)
BHX - 5 (GLA, EDI, ABZ, BHD & GCI)
EDI - 3 (BHD, BHX & SOU)
Exeter - 6 (from 14/5/07) - ALC, EDI, GCI, AGP (14/5), MAN & CDG
GLA - 3 (BHX, MAN, SOU)
GCI - 2 (SOU, LGW)
Jersey - 2 (SOU, LGW)
MAN - 1 (GLA)
NWI - 2 (EDI & MAN)
SOU - 9 (AMS, DUB, DUS, EDI, GLA, LBA, AGP, MAN & NCL)
Total 39
Per Jethros 42 (11 146's, 26 DH4's & 5 195's)
However assuming that 3 of the 195's replace G-JEAY, M & K then it will 39 but the DH4 deliveries only go to January on the list, which could mean another 4 by May (at one month if possible of course).
Just to prove how easy it could be to eliminate some of the BACON aircraft - new route duplication at BHX for night-stopping aircraft -
Hamburg, Aberdeen, Glasgow & Edinburgh and then the EDI-BHX
and GLA-BHX. Potentially six aircraft gone although they have
promised 10 a day BHX - GLA & EDI, which would require more aircraft.
Pete
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The 146 fleet will be maintained/sold by FLYbe, the 145 fleet will be maintained/Handed back by FLYbe....
FLYbe will maintain the RJ fleet, come on if you had a 15% stake in the venture......
The manx government are a two bit joke who will have no influence over what happens at the end of this fiasco.
The hangar on the rock has been hanging on by it's teeth for a few years, the work can be done cheaper and more efficiently elsewhere.....
Having seen several bases being the sacrifice for the IOM, the game is finally up.
The 146 fleet will be maintained/sold by FLYbe, the 145 fleet will be maintained/Handed back by FLYbe....
FLYbe will maintain the RJ fleet, come on if you had a 15% stake in the venture......
The manx government are a two bit joke who will have no influence over what happens at the end of this fiasco.
The hangar on the rock has been hanging on by it's teeth for a few years, the work can be done cheaper and more efficiently elsewhere.....
Having seen several bases being the sacrifice for the IOM, the game is finally up.
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I for one am deeply saddened by the way it's turned out for the ground staff at the IOM. I think too much emphasis has bee nplaced in this thread on the 145 as an airframe, rather than the way BACON operate it. With crews touring all over the place and taxis moving 145 crews all over the country, surely that is why the costs for operating the fleet are so high.
When the Ex-BAR routes were taken on, this is when all this touring began, and the costs of this must have contributed to the eventual downfall. It doesn't change the current situation, where the hangar will be wound down as Exeter takes on work. Even the BA Connect logo is falling off the hangar roof now!
CheekyVisual got it about spot on I suspect.Had a Manx/BRAL and Brymon merger occurred, under BRAL or a mix of management, it may well have worked and eventually gobbled up FLybe, but we'll never know. The BAR millstone, and Parachuted in management saw fit to create the situation we have today.
There is a strong possibility of the Dash 8 Q300s being grounded and disposed of very quickly in the new year and the crews re-trained on the Q400 ASAP, or indeed put on EMB145 courses to fill the crew shortages there. Rumour control said we would get a 145 based on the Isle of Man to replace that Dash, and there's no shortage of LHS crew to come home and crew it!
I just hope everyone gets a fresh start and happy future when the dust settles. Best of luck to everyone. As for those working for Manx Regional, the current BACON crews are pulling for you, we will let Flybe know what we think of the opposition and how much we want to stay with Manx Regional! Good luck everyone.
When the Ex-BAR routes were taken on, this is when all this touring began, and the costs of this must have contributed to the eventual downfall. It doesn't change the current situation, where the hangar will be wound down as Exeter takes on work. Even the BA Connect logo is falling off the hangar roof now!
CheekyVisual got it about spot on I suspect.Had a Manx/BRAL and Brymon merger occurred, under BRAL or a mix of management, it may well have worked and eventually gobbled up FLybe, but we'll never know. The BAR millstone, and Parachuted in management saw fit to create the situation we have today.
There is a strong possibility of the Dash 8 Q300s being grounded and disposed of very quickly in the new year and the crews re-trained on the Q400 ASAP, or indeed put on EMB145 courses to fill the crew shortages there. Rumour control said we would get a 145 based on the Isle of Man to replace that Dash, and there's no shortage of LHS crew to come home and crew it!
I just hope everyone gets a fresh start and happy future when the dust settles. Best of luck to everyone. As for those working for Manx Regional, the current BACON crews are pulling for you, we will let Flybe know what we think of the opposition and how much we want to stay with Manx Regional! Good luck everyone.
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Quote - Rumour control said we would get a 145 based on the Isle of Man to replace that Dash, and there's no shortage of LHS crew to come home and crew it! - End Quote
AFO - are you mad? The whole point of the takeover is for a company that makes money to continue to do so and that won't happen flogging a Barbie Jet to and from Manchester.
And as you appear to be based on the IOM, what if anything have the the untouched few been told about what they can look forward to now the real world has arrived with a bang?
AFO - are you mad? The whole point of the takeover is for a company that makes money to continue to do so and that won't happen flogging a Barbie Jet to and from Manchester.
And as you appear to be based on the IOM, what if anything have the the untouched few been told about what they can look forward to now the real world has arrived with a bang?
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Does anybody know if there are to be any new routes from LGW or increased frequencies to any of the current services
And what are the possibilities of IOM and INV being transfered to the South Terminal instead of the North ?
And what are the possibilities of IOM and INV being transfered to the South Terminal instead of the North ?
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Does anybody know whether British Airways' 15% stake in flybe may have any benefits for customers, or whether this is simply a way of BA being able to maintain some say in the regions before making a quick buck on the stock market? It seems that flybe will be taking over things like lounges, so are flybe considering offering Executive Club benefits to keep ex-BA passengers loyal, or are they hoping they will switch to the Skyteam-weighted flybe frequent flyer offering.
Also, the closure of BA Connect seems to offer interesting times ahead for handling agents in the regions. Can we assume that the "new" flybe will be handled by existing agents, or if there is a planned massive tender? I know BA are particularly keen on Swissport & Servisair, whilst flybe seem to use Swissport or aviance.
Also, the closure of BA Connect seems to offer interesting times ahead for handling agents in the regions. Can we assume that the "new" flybe will be handled by existing agents, or if there is a planned massive tender? I know BA are particularly keen on Swissport & Servisair, whilst flybe seem to use Swissport or aviance.
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(and no flight redemptions on any carrier other than flyBE). I don't see any Skyteam link.And as for your question "are flyBE considering Exec Club benefits to keep ex-BA passengers loyal?" I have to ask: loyal versus what? taking the train or the ferry? The fact that BA Connect offered (some) Exec Club benefits didn't save them, so why should flyBE increase its costs in one fell swoop by paying BA for Exec Club miles on all its routes, including the ones where it doesn't face any significant competition?
(Yes, I know that flyBE competes with other LCCs on some of its routes, but it seems to manage fairly well, and increasing costs across the whole network for a marginal benefit on a few routes doesn't make any sense to me.)
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Obviously Cyrano the benefits of incorporating Executive Club into the new 15%-owned-by-BA flybe, is that a number of customers who have remained loyal to the airline despite continually deteriorating benefits would continue to do so. flybe would no longer have the overheads of running "Passport to Freedom", rather their customers could take part in an internationally recognised frequent flyer programme. Indeed, flybe is no longer involved with Air France or Flying Blue, sorry for having facts out of date. It seems with flybe competing with other modes of transport or with other low-cost airlines on a lot of routes, it makes sense to have some distinguishing features even if it does slightly bump up costs.
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I see on the CWL thread and Flybe.Com that flights from CWL are due to start next summer. I assume the initial BHD service is going to use BHD equipment, however, does anyone in the know think that there is a possibility of a CWL crew base being set up in the foreseable future. As a ex-pat CWL person about to be drafted into flybe the possibility of a CWL base would make the prospect more agreeable.
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Well, if FlyBe want to improve one thing ... they can start with BA on-line check in. Normally reasonable but tonight was a classic.
First off, my Exec CLub preference states WINDOW, so I am pre-allocated an AISLE.
I then go to select one of the dozen seats that I could cheerfully sit in and find that the browser will not allow me to click on any of them. I reckon that it might be my Firefox 2.0 browser (althought that should not make any difference, some sites are stupid about these things). So I back out from on-line check in, load IE and start again.
This also means that I have to repeat the stupid business of checking a box to say that I have the permission to check in all the members of my party - even though I am travelling alone. This means that the twits who approved the final release did not have the software check if the person is a sole traveller and so puts them to more trouble.
I then discover that I am already 'Checked In' and that I can now print my boarding pass if I want to. Gosh, how clever of the website to check me in when I had not told it to. Must be some super-special code those boys have.
There is no facilty to change the seat allocation and so I am left change this at the terminal. Yes, it is a teeny-tiny thing but if you cannot get the basics right, then you have got nothing right and, if there are no window seats left on the flight my trip will be greatly diminished in pleasure.
So, three mistakes:
First off, my Exec CLub preference states WINDOW, so I am pre-allocated an AISLE.
I then go to select one of the dozen seats that I could cheerfully sit in and find that the browser will not allow me to click on any of them. I reckon that it might be my Firefox 2.0 browser (althought that should not make any difference, some sites are stupid about these things). So I back out from on-line check in, load IE and start again.
This also means that I have to repeat the stupid business of checking a box to say that I have the permission to check in all the members of my party - even though I am travelling alone. This means that the twits who approved the final release did not have the software check if the person is a sole traveller and so puts them to more trouble.
I then discover that I am already 'Checked In' and that I can now print my boarding pass if I want to. Gosh, how clever of the website to check me in when I had not told it to. Must be some super-special code those boys have.
There is no facilty to change the seat allocation and so I am left change this at the terminal. Yes, it is a teeny-tiny thing but if you cannot get the basics right, then you have got nothing right and, if there are no window seats left on the flight my trip will be greatly diminished in pleasure.
So, three mistakes:
- Long stated seat preference ignored
- Required to tick boxes that have no relevance
- Software failed to carry out my request which will give more work for the staff at LGW on the day.
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Flybe have online check in, its called Q-buster or something like that, works in a very similar way to BA if I remember correctly, am not sure if you can change your allocated seat though.
You can also pick your seat at the time of booking at a cost of £5 per sector. I always thought that this was a bit cheeky, but now EZY & FR are charging you upto £7.50 for the priviledge of being one of the first on the aircraft (or the bus to the aircraft in some cases) this is actually really good value for money!
You can also pick your seat at the time of booking at a cost of £5 per sector. I always thought that this was a bit cheeky, but now EZY & FR are charging you upto £7.50 for the priviledge of being one of the first on the aircraft (or the bus to the aircraft in some cases) this is actually really good value for money!
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Dont worry though T5 will save everyone....O it would be even better if all the flights could fit into T5!!! Sell your shares now its a sinking ship and wonka is going to go down with it, crews balloted for strike action over christmas
due to the errosion of terms and conditions, pilots threatening to go out as well. This time i hope the unions stand up to Wonka and dont roll over and have there bellies tickled like Lingus ones did. 
