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Paxing All Over The World
Well, IF FlyBe were to pull out of LGW, that would be AFTER they have taken on the BACON routes (which they have not yet started), so I think this is being slighty previous (even by PPRuNe standards!).
Let us not forget my other regular route that Flybe are due to take on, LGW~IOM which is currently four daily rotations (three I think at weekends) and even if weekdays are reduced to three, it is still the prime route to the Island. Since STN is being cut back (other thread) and LTN just cut (other thread), the LGW should
remain viable.
Shall we wait to see what FlyBe do? The one certainty is that BA will be cutting back at LGW and are making their bets on the extra slots from the 3rd blacktop at LHR to give them the slots they need to complete Fortress Five.
Let us not forget my other regular route that Flybe are due to take on, LGW~IOM which is currently four daily rotations (three I think at weekends) and even if weekdays are reduced to three, it is still the prime route to the Island. Since STN is being cut back (other thread) and LTN just cut (other thread), the LGW should
remain viable.Shall we wait to see what FlyBe do? The one certainty is that BA will be cutting back at LGW and are making their bets on the extra slots from the 3rd blacktop at LHR to give them the slots they need to complete Fortress Five.
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I can't see Flybe stopping the INV routes to be honest, I travel on the current BAcon service at least once a month - often on the middle of the day sector and even that is fairly full. And if its a Q400 instead of a 146 the load factor will be higher.
I'd imagine that Flybe would make a packet on this route with their baggage charges and i'd be surprised if the INV sectors don't sell more food & drink than any other, on my trip last week I sat in the middle of the plane and it took the FA's nearly 30 mins to get to me and they weren't dawdling
I'd imagine that Flybe would make a packet on this route with their baggage charges and i'd be surprised if the INV sectors don't sell more food & drink than any other, on my trip last week I sat in the middle of the plane and it took the FA's nearly 30 mins to get to me and they weren't dawdling
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BE on JER-LGW
Hell would freeze over before BE pulled of JER-LGW. A mooted JER-LHR is Bishops way of hitting back at Flybe for accquiring BA Connect and ending his hopes of creating an elegant exit for his lossmaking conglomerate. Flybe flies mainly P2P traffic and the connections issue will hit BA harder.
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Disgusted by FlyBe - Cancelled Route
I am now a really grumpy EX-FlyBe pax who used to like the way they treated me, with resonable fares and generally pretty nice people to interface with.
Well - the phone calls to my home this aftenoon which cancelled my Mums flight and my wife and kids flight to join me in Alicante were delivered in a terrible manner, in a matter of fact way. (its all in the small print apparantly) by someone who had absolutely NO care and compassion for the mayhem they were causing.
So - FlyBe dont want my business any more. They will no longer fly to Spain from BHX. This is effective from Jan 2007. Due to "operational reasons"
My Feb half term flights are invalid. Cancelled.
I have two choices - I can have my money back or drive 218 miles to Exeter.
They have treated me with contempt - they will not assist me with any compensation so that I can book with the more expensive BMI flight. I HAVE to travel on that day so I will HAVE to pay out. If I had booked with BMI on the same time day it would have only cost £15 more, now its £50. I stayed with FlyBe because I am a fairly loyal customer (10 rtn flights from BHX to ALC in the last 12 months) and I wanted to try the E195.
Surely they knew when I booked the flights less than 25 days ago that they were going to suspend the route
I guess there will be some "tough luck" comments from this forum, but its the sensation that I just dont matter to FlyBe because I am PAX.
They are doing what they can get away with, because they can (they even quoted EU law at me) and because I ticked a box on a web page.
They have the "right" to change a schedule, as it says in the small print, but to use that clause to cancel flights and break our contract seems a abuse of the system without proper recompense
Havent they heard of goodwill ? (daft question)
Grrrrrrr
Well - the phone calls to my home this aftenoon which cancelled my Mums flight and my wife and kids flight to join me in Alicante were delivered in a terrible manner, in a matter of fact way. (its all in the small print apparantly) by someone who had absolutely NO care and compassion for the mayhem they were causing.
So - FlyBe dont want my business any more. They will no longer fly to Spain from BHX. This is effective from Jan 2007. Due to "operational reasons"
My Feb half term flights are invalid. Cancelled.
I have two choices - I can have my money back or drive 218 miles to Exeter.
They have treated me with contempt - they will not assist me with any compensation so that I can book with the more expensive BMI flight. I HAVE to travel on that day so I will HAVE to pay out. If I had booked with BMI on the same time day it would have only cost £15 more, now its £50. I stayed with FlyBe because I am a fairly loyal customer (10 rtn flights from BHX to ALC in the last 12 months) and I wanted to try the E195.
Surely they knew when I booked the flights less than 25 days ago that they were going to suspend the route
I guess there will be some "tough luck" comments from this forum, but its the sensation that I just dont matter to FlyBe because I am PAX.
They are doing what they can get away with, because they can (they even quoted EU law at me) and because I ticked a box on a web page.
They have the "right" to change a schedule, as it says in the small print, but to use that clause to cancel flights and break our contract seems a abuse of the system without proper recompense
Havent they heard of goodwill ? (daft question)
Grrrrrrr
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The big question in a lot of the threads that have been going around show there is a lot of problems that need sorting out and time is running out
Untill the winter is over, has Flybe really taken over B.A.Connect??
Until the Bacon is nice and crisp then we might all know where we stand????
There are a lot of passengers out there that are not happy for a number of reason one of them is for cancelling flights only a few days after they are booked.
The very big question is Can Flybe handle all what they have taken on YES or NO????
Untill the winter is over, has Flybe really taken over B.A.Connect??
Until the Bacon is nice and crisp then we might all know where we stand????
There are a lot of passengers out there that are not happy for a number of reason one of them is for cancelling flights only a few days after they are booked.
The very big question is Can Flybe handle all what they have taken on YES or NO????
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It is regrettable when any airline opts to cease operation on a route that is planned and I think it's fair to say that there will always be those who suffer. The aquisition of BAConnect may well have thrown up some issues that no one on here is privy too, and this could be the route cause of the cancellation.
CVTDog - yes you could have booked with BMI but it wasn't so long ago that their customers at Teeside suffered a similar fate when they withdrew services. Clearly i'm not aware of the correspondance between yourself and Flybe but maybe they were simply giving you all the facts so that you know what can/cannot be expected of them post any cancellation. Had they just sent you notice of the cancellation then it could be argued that they weren't providing enough reason behind the decision. I think by quoting EU Law they were simply advising you your rights.....I see nothing wrong with this.
I guess there will be some "tough luck" comments from this forum, but its the sensation that I just dont matter to FlyBe because I am PAX.
So - FlyBe dont want my business any more. They will no longer fly to Spain from BHX
BHXALC was good for a while but with Flybe, BMIBaby and Monarch all offering scheduled services and with the charter airlines also in for a piece of the pie I imagine that Flybe can make better use of their resource elsewhere rather than fighting it out for 'bucket and spade trade'. I'm sure plenty of BHX travellers would much rather see new destinations such as Split and Dubrovnik launched rather than have 3 aircraft from 3 different airlines all head off to ALC within an hour of each other.
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Bucket and Spade Trade ?
Sorry - I have a home in ALC and I dont see myself as a "bucket and spade" pax as I spend about 14 weeks a year in Alicante - Santa Pola. You would be suprised how many people on the flight are not bucket and spade, going to Benidorm for example.
(BTW - there will be more bucket and spades going to the former Yugoslavia)
They pulled out because they didnt want to "compete" with WW and MON and they wanted to switch their resources elsewhere.
In any case - the point of my thread is that they did not treat the cancellation process with any kind of dignity, respect and customer care. Thats the real issue - what other business deal would YOU enter into, pay the full asking price and then the seller say - nah, dont want to sell you that now !
Imagine entering into a contract to buy a car and the dealer (after you had agreed the price and delivery date) changing his mind and selling to a higher paying customer.
Others may see a difference (because its a airline), but I dont !
(BTW - there will be more bucket and spades going to the former Yugoslavia)
They pulled out because they didnt want to "compete" with WW and MON and they wanted to switch their resources elsewhere.
In any case - the point of my thread is that they did not treat the cancellation process with any kind of dignity, respect and customer care. Thats the real issue - what other business deal would YOU enter into, pay the full asking price and then the seller say - nah, dont want to sell you that now !
Imagine entering into a contract to buy a car and the dealer (after you had agreed the price and delivery date) changing his mind and selling to a higher paying customer.
Others may see a difference (because its a airline), but I dont !
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The 10 Avro RJ100's
jethros.i12.com states in the BA Connect fleet lisings that the 10 Avro RJ 100's will become BA Cityflyer, effective 1st JAN 2007. These aircraft will be kept by BA for LCY operation
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CVTDog
What exactly is your problem as you have already stated you have other airlines that can take your business and get you to your destination, think of the poor people up at teeside that lost out when Bmibaby pulled the entire base without another airline operating the routes that were lost. Those poor folks had no option but to cancel their entire plans.
You have had to suffer some minor inconvenience and additional cost with having to book with the alternative carrier.
What exactly is your problem as you have already stated you have other airlines that can take your business and get you to your destination, think of the poor people up at teeside that lost out when Bmibaby pulled the entire base without another airline operating the routes that were lost. Those poor folks had no option but to cancel their entire plans.
You have had to suffer some minor inconvenience and additional cost with having to book with the alternative carrier.
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I don't buy moving all to T5. It's not THAT big and even Virgin operate a spilt London operation with the Beach Brigade at Gatwick. The North Terminal experience is very pleasant after all, good luck to all at LGW. The telling thing will be a big order for the A319 though I expect that LHR will get the new ones with LGW getting the old LHR and BHX machines......
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Flybe pulling out of the Spanish market from BHX is very good news for both bmibaby and Monarch, as it allows both airlines to strengthen their position in this market - not so good for the average customer who has seen their (admittedly unsustainable) choice of airline to AGP or ALC decline over the last two years. I wonder whether we will see any increase in frequency from ZB or WW because of flybe's departure, or if this is a temporary move from flybe and the routes will return once the dust has settled from the BACON merger?
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Bhx/alc & Agp
CVTDog
Sorry to hear about your flight, I would not be surprised if this is to cater for the BACON Barcelona or Madrid.
If the deal is concluded there will be no RJ100's in BHX from January and I would imagine the 195 will be directed to one of the other or even both as BCN only operates Mon, Wed, Fri and Sunday.
It could do Madrid Tue & Thu with possibly a 145 or even one
of their 146's filling in the rest of the days.
BHX is going to take a major hit in January pax wise if this goes through, pity Baby couldn't have jumped in earlier.
Pete
Sorry to hear about your flight, I would not be surprised if this is to cater for the BACON Barcelona or Madrid.
If the deal is concluded there will be no RJ100's in BHX from January and I would imagine the 195 will be directed to one of the other or even both as BCN only operates Mon, Wed, Fri and Sunday.
It could do Madrid Tue & Thu with possibly a 145 or even one
of their 146's filling in the rest of the days.
BHX is going to take a major hit in January pax wise if this goes through, pity Baby couldn't have jumped in earlier.
Pete
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Only time will tell I guess.
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BHX Jan Pax
Sorry I was not very clear with my last post. I was not just referring to
AGP and ALC but the loss of 9 RJ100 flights a day, some completely
and some to the 145.
However I am not sure how many GLA & EDI's they will run in January
if the deal goes ahead but I am sure the early morning outbounds that BA operate as RJ100 flights will go completely, which is a sizable loss on its own. The two RJ100's also due out at 17.30 will probably also go, then there arethe two DUS RJ100's which will be 145's & another CDG down to a 145.
Okay in January they are not full and it is possible that the majority will be accommodated on other airlines but it could be tight.
Alicante is daily by Baby and 3 a week by Monarch, again it will be tight if the pax can be accommodated and they certainly won't be in February unless either of these airlines add rotations.
Pete
AGP and ALC but the loss of 9 RJ100 flights a day, some completely
and some to the 145.
However I am not sure how many GLA & EDI's they will run in January
if the deal goes ahead but I am sure the early morning outbounds that BA operate as RJ100 flights will go completely, which is a sizable loss on its own. The two RJ100's also due out at 17.30 will probably also go, then there arethe two DUS RJ100's which will be 145's & another CDG down to a 145.
Okay in January they are not full and it is possible that the majority will be accommodated on other airlines but it could be tight.
Alicante is daily by Baby and 3 a week by Monarch, again it will be tight if the pax can be accommodated and they certainly won't be in February unless either of these airlines add rotations.
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Please confirm if I am right on this but don`t a lot of the GLA/EDI flights by BAcon to BHX then go onwards to somewhere else in Europe which give BHX quite a high number of transit pax whom I presume clear customs at BHX
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