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OUt of curiousity, what BA routes out of Gatwick lose money?
I believe long haul turns a profit? So without telling too many tales, of the number of routes on short haul, how many are profitable?
Because if we don't know that, we don't know much and I suspect that even Wee Willie Wonka isn't that keen to gift easyJet that many more travellers.
I believe long haul turns a profit? So without telling too many tales, of the number of routes on short haul, how many are profitable?
Because if we don't know that, we don't know much and I suspect that even Wee Willie Wonka isn't that keen to gift easyJet that many more travellers.
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The Beach fleet (the lgw 777 flying holiday routes) makes a lot of money but that really is about it. BUT they will move back to the golden runways as soon as T5 opens and then its just the old EOG 737 operation. GB make some good money but rumour has it they MAY want out of the BA franchise to go long haul themselves (Heathrow Air is worried someone might prove long haul works away from terminal 4 !). Given the way WW has used the engineered demise of BA Connect to chop the whole BA regional workforce the demise of EOG might enable him to chop every member of ground staff at LGW as well ! Wasn't the EOG operation supposed to be converting to the BUS by now ? Strange how that's not happened isn't it. As soon as DE rides to their rescue the jigsaw will be complete !
As for giving a few pax to easy well over the last five years they've completely surrendered the entire UK except London and after all LGW is really Brighton isn't it, you know dirty regional flying. A few more won't make any difference at this point but old WW will be able to say he has carved costs to the bone. Everywhere except where it mattered ! It's as if BA never heard the one about eggs and baskets !
Doesn't matter how much EOG makes or loses they are next on the block. T5 is the bunker where BA management are convinced all will be well.
As for giving a few pax to easy well over the last five years they've completely surrendered the entire UK except London and after all LGW is really Brighton isn't it, you know dirty regional flying. A few more won't make any difference at this point but old WW will be able to say he has carved costs to the bone. Everywhere except where it mattered ! It's as if BA never heard the one about eggs and baskets !
Doesn't matter how much EOG makes or loses they are next on the block. T5 is the bunker where BA management are convinced all will be well.
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I noticed today looking at Flybe's website that they have increased their prices again, some by as much as £12 plus the luggage prices have increased. So much for a low fares airline, the prices and "charges" are becoming a joke.
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The long haul BA routes have to stay at LGW until the Bermuda 2 mess is sorted out, as for the short haul then its only a matter of time
which is a shame a LGW is much better than LHR to fly from.
which is a shame a LGW is much better than LHR to fly from.
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Will FlyBe's customer service improve any?
Can't say I have much experience of BACON service, but I hope they teach FlyBe a thing or two...
They have refused to reply to three e-mails I have sent to their customer services people...reinforcing my feelings on their previously shoddy service levels...not good at all...
They have refused to reply to three e-mails I have sent to their customer services people...reinforcing my feelings on their previously shoddy service levels...not good at all...
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Well we all know that when T5 opens it is not going to be bigger enough to cope with LHR routes as well as LGW so LGW is here to stay !
Watch this space to see what happens when it opens , best bet would be to demolish both LGW and LHR and build One Big airport in the middle with easy access from all areas like ams for example !
Watch this space to see what happens when it opens , best bet would be to demolish both LGW and LHR and build One Big airport in the middle with easy access from all areas like ams for example !
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Clearly there is a lot of delusion that LGW is going to be the last bastions of BA 
. It might not happen this coming year or the year after but they are coming, T5 will be the closing call.
Once T5 and the 2nd satellite is opened BA will no longer fly from any other airport in London either domestic, european or interantional. That is providing there is a BA as if the crews and pilots strike there will be a take over bid and Emirates will come a knocking.....
. It might not happen this coming year or the year after but they are coming, T5 will be the closing call.Once T5 and the 2nd satellite is opened BA will no longer fly from any other airport in London either domestic, european or interantional. That is providing there is a BA as if the crews and pilots strike there will be a take over bid and Emirates will come a knocking.....
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SOU Lounges
Moving the topic a bit - what will happen to the lounges at SOU when BE takeover BAcon?
Both have a lounge, neither much better than the other to be honest, given the fact Aviance deal with most of, if not all of the handling at SOU cou they be in the running to open a lounge there? Surely given the fairly poor facilities and the relatively quick landside to airside journey times this could be a monneyspinner for Aviance and a good boost in facilities for SOU
What are others thoughts on this?
Both have a lounge, neither much better than the other to be honest, given the fact Aviance deal with most of, if not all of the handling at SOU cou they be in the running to open a lounge there? Surely given the fairly poor facilities and the relatively quick landside to airside journey times this could be a monneyspinner for Aviance and a good boost in facilities for SOU
What are others thoughts on this?
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I don't buy moving all to T5. It's not THAT big and even Virgin operate a spilt London operation with the Beach Brigade at Gatwick. The North Terminal experience is very pleasant after all, good luck to all at LGW. The telling thing will be a big order for the A319 though I expect that LHR will get the new ones with LGW getting the old LHR and BHX machines......
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Ahhhh - that depends on how you count 'losing' and 'making' money? It depends upon a thousand management decisions as to what will be coutned towards the costs of the route and therefore affect it's ability to make money. If you had a few extra costs, then a route can become marginal, or even make a loss. A route may be very useful to many thousands of pax and make a small, steady profit - but that may not be enough for it to be classed as a profitable route.
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Whether T5 is big enough will depend upon how many routes BA is operating at the time ... Who says that they will operate all of the current destinations? I agree with Railgun.
I should state that I am not in the airline biz, just an observer and user of it. But I have worked in a very wide range of commercial enterprises.
Out of curiousity, what BA routes out of Gatwick lose money?
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Well we all know that when T5 opens it is not going to be bigger enough to cope with LHR routes as well as LGW so LGW is here to stay !
I should state that I am not in the airline biz, just an observer and user of it. But I have worked in a very wide range of commercial enterprises.
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Precisely. BA operate the more high-yielding routes through Heathrow for a reason, it's easier to maximise profits by having them link up there. Apart from being based in London, a lot of the BA ethic is about connecting North American business with emerging markets like Angola and India.
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Ultimately - and we're talking a good ten years down the road - the availability of a third runway and sixth terminal at LHR will allow BA to increase some of its s/h routes there, so I would expect that by then, BA will have a very limited presence at LGW. I'm assuming the whole O/S issue will be sorted out by then (not necessarily a foregone conclusion!).
What happens then at LGW, as far as Flybe is concerned; it only operates three LGW routes - GCI, JER and BHD. Will it expand into some old BA markets, or will U2 be moving quickly to take up most of this slack. And of course, one can't rule out FR taking full advantage of BA's departure.
What happens then at LGW, as far as Flybe is concerned; it only operates three LGW routes - GCI, JER and BHD. Will it expand into some old BA markets, or will U2 be moving quickly to take up most of this slack. And of course, one can't rule out FR taking full advantage of BA's departure.
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Flybe pulls off JER - LGW
Heard today that flybe are pulling the JER - LGW after bmi's announcement of JER - LHR which starts next summer. It might be that flybe pulls out of Gatwick completely and just concentrates on the regions. Interesting times.
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I'd have thought BA would be the most likely of the two to pull out, given that (a) BD will take some - if not most - of BA's Club traffic and (b) BA's future in LGW is probably not that secure; they'll probably blame BD for what they intended to do anyway. Not that one can have much sympathy; they could have avoided this if they had left JER with even two dailies to LHR.
If BE does abandon LGW, then there is another carrier that can fill that gap pretty easily ...
If BE does abandon LGW, then there is another carrier that can fill that gap pretty easily ...
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Well |Whispering Giant
You Quote that Hudson Bay is talking out of he,s backside, the bit about BMI hopeing to start the Heathrow-Jersey is a strong possibilty.
BMI imploy two engineers in Jersey who do the turnarounds for the Baby flights, a few weeks ago it was quoted "why does Baby need engineering help in Jersey." We dont have any at out stations and if we have a problem then we will source some.
The engineers were close to being retired early, there was a last minute reprieve, they will be required if and when BMI start the Heathrow service with an Airbus and the aircraft would be night stopping in Jersey.
So part of Hudsons Bays story is very strong I have not heard about the Flybe side of things, but could be strong with British Airways Having fifteen percent in Flybe why do they need to operate the Jersey to Gatwick in competion so interesting time comming ahead.
You Quote that Hudson Bay is talking out of he,s backside, the bit about BMI hopeing to start the Heathrow-Jersey is a strong possibilty.
BMI imploy two engineers in Jersey who do the turnarounds for the Baby flights, a few weeks ago it was quoted "why does Baby need engineering help in Jersey." We dont have any at out stations and if we have a problem then we will source some.
The engineers were close to being retired early, there was a last minute reprieve, they will be required if and when BMI start the Heathrow service with an Airbus and the aircraft would be night stopping in Jersey.
So part of Hudsons Bays story is very strong I have not heard about the Flybe side of things, but could be strong with British Airways Having fifteen percent in Flybe why do they need to operate the Jersey to Gatwick in competion so interesting time comming ahead.
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If Flybe leave LGW and therefore pull off LGW-INV, INV and is going to be stuffed as it will loose all day return options to London. Once daily to LGW/LTN on Easyjet and LHR on bmi may be nice for leisure and connecting passengers but business passengers are going to stuffed and if no replacement could be found the Highland economy could be seriously damaged.
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I for one, am very much looking forward towards the end of the month when there is more information available following a confirmation or dissolvment of the merger plans. flybe and BA Connect seem to make perfect sense in a merger situation, it is just very sad there has been so much negative press around the acquisition given the lack of information that has been made available. BA Connect have had very poor management, an inadequate fleet and face strong competition at each of their major bases (BHX, MAN, BRS and until recently SOU.) flybe would allow for a strong regional operator for people living outside of London, with a modern fleet of aircraft, decent route network and pretty good customer service levels. If the merger doesn't go ahead, BACON will almost certainly face closure and it will be up to airlines like flybe, bmibaby and Jet2 to source aircraft quickly to fill the gaps.
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Very true, if nowbody is quick to take on the routes who will laughing? BA as everyone will have to go via LHR
I really wish BA would pull off the shuttle and then maybe Manchester/Glasgow might get the service they should and pax not end up subsidising the London pax
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Very true, if nowbody is quick to take on the routes who will laughing? BA as everyone will have to go via LHR
I really wish BA would pull off the shuttle and then maybe Manchester/Glasgow might get the service they should and pax not end up subsidising the London pax
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???I'm not too sure that Flybe are overly concerned with BMI, in either mainline or Baby terms. You only have to look at the financial situation of the airlines to see who is best positioned to come to the fight and I can't help but feel that, on this count, Flybe have the upper hand.
The only reason for passengers to choose BMI ahead of BA and Flybe would be the whole 'connection' issue at LHR. With Flybe not offering connections onto other airlines, and having not done so for some time (where BA have via LGW) I really don't think this can be used as a reason for Flybe's pending failure on the JERLGW route.
No, I think there may be some crossed wires here! Suggest we re-evaluate the facts and from whom we heard them!